Nonsense. The original didn't dwell on Leon or Pris's deaths
Leon's death follows shortly after Zhora's and he is visibly upset by the whole thing. It's not a very cold scene. As for Pris, erm are you serious? She spazzes out on the floor for a good 30s.
Also, not sure what was such a "gimmick" about her. She plays an important role throughout the film as the person who birthed a natural born replicant, and then comes in as a way to tempt Deckard. The temptation is so strong that he has to lie to reject it ("she had green eyes"), and look away from her being killed.
What's not ambiguous in that scene is that she is a fake, and we know it. You could decide then whether or not you think her life means anything. Wallace doesn't so he quickly disposes her. Deckard can't watch, but the audience is forced to.
Ok and Luv's death was just as violent and grizzly? I don't see how Priss's death was materially different or more meaningful
I don't think I suggested otherwise in my post. In fact I mention that this film does the same by lingering on replicant deaths and Luv's death is the scene which struck me when I was thinking of this. I was just surprised that in contrast to all of this nu-Rachel is brushed aside so quickly.
I get that, but when no real (bioengineered or otherwise) person is treated with anything close to same care and attention, it becomes really hard to care about any of them.The whole point is that a "toy" exhibits a degree of humanity that you start to believe she is not one. You empathize with her, with K and their romance. That's what makes the scenes after Joi's death even more of a gut punch when you see that yes, she was just designed to adapt to K's desires. K (and audience) realizes that she was just a sophisticated set of algorithms.
That question was answered before the movie began. I don't know why anyone would care about the characters' definition of "soul," their humanity is not up to debate.That's the fundamental question at the core of the entire film. Do/can replicants have souls? K thinks you have to be natural born to have one. The other replicants think it's more about how you feel and act, dying for something of your own choosing, aka free will. They don't prescribe one's ability to have a soul to being natural born -- all the natural born replicant shows is that they can not only be human but also rise above them.
Also, not sure what was such a "gimmick" about her. She plays an important role throughout the film as the person who birthed a natural born replicant, and then comes in as a way to tempt Deckard. The temptation is so strong that he has to lie to reject it ("she had green eyes"), and look away from her being killed.
Artificially grown isn't the same thing as fake. Only one of them can actually experience emotions, while the other only ever does what her owner wants to see.I thought it was brilliant. The most human characters were both artificial.
I don't think I suggested otherwise in my post. In fact I mention that this film does the same by lingering on replicant deaths and Luv's death is the scene which struck me when I was thinking of this. I was just surprised that in contrast to all of this nu-Rachel is brushed aside so quickly.
Artificially grown isn't the same thing as fake. Only one of them can actually experience emotions, while the other only ever does what her owner wants to see.
Artificially grown isn't the same thing as fake. Only one of them can actually experience emotions, while the other only ever does what her owner wants to see.
She's disposable to Wallace but much like K and Luv, she's a replicant and her death should be no different than theirs (as in she's a being with some (twisted) sense of personhood dying). I get that it shows how ruthless Wallace/Luv are but to me it feels like a slightly cheap way to establish their villainy.I think the contrast is the point. She would've been made just moments before and when she didn't deliver, was casually disposed of, like you'd toss away a useless tool. Which she was.
I actually thought the score was pretty good. This is right after seeing them back to back in the double feature. The score in the first film is clearly better, but 2049's is a lot more subtle and not as traditional.
One thing I do wish though, is that they'd turn the fucking volume down in some areas. Sometimes the score would like erupt my eardrums out of nowhere.
This adds nothing to the film whatsoever. I really hope Dunkirk isn't going to popularize the whole "louder is better" gimmick.
Villeneuve also chose to have the water shimmering lighting for Wallace's HQ (which by the way was so ridiculous lol) as Ridely did with Tyrell's.
It's not, to me at least. Half the songs sound like a few random Vangelis notes jumbled in together, the other like a Skrillex beat drop. And the bolded is exactly how I feel about the soundtrack as a whole. It's good enough to fill in at some moments but it fails remarkably to enhance the emotional moments in the movie. I'd have accepted it as the OST to a BR videogame done by a up and coming composer, not for such a big movie. Especially so when you compare it to the original's score.
Instead, K died fighting for what he wanted, his mission, to unite Deckard with his daughter. It was a brilliant twist and character moment, and it made the fight in the submerged vehicle much more impactful, because I did not know if K wanted to kill Deckard or save him.
What movie can you think of that already did the concept of love between a household AI and an android, and makes you feel just as distraught at their loss as though it were two human characters.
Do we really understand what happened here between K and Joi? How Joi who is another dimension of an artificial intelligence? It's like a human and android falling in love, except deeper. This movie abstracts the concept of love and romance and peels it one more layer.
Question
Is there a chance K is alive, for a sequel?
The big dumb advertisement suggests otherwise (and sapient AIs really don't belong in this setting).They're both artificial. Just because one has a silicon brain instead flesh and blood doesn't make them different. Luv even mentions how they adjust personalities and intellect so they fit their intended job better.or does it?
Well, yeah, because that's what K is. His mirror... not so much.Which, even if this is your read, still reflects on the owner. That his desires are very "human."
As a total aside, so I noitced K's apartment has similar tiles to Deckard's. Villeneuve also chose to have the water shimmering lighting for Wallace's HQ (which by the way was so ridiculous lol) as Ridely did with Tyrell's.
Why is this ridiculous?
Its possible I suppose, but I really don't want a sequel.
Its possible I suppose, but I really don't want a sequel.
Who else got fucked up by the drone strike scene in the junkyard?
Something else I just remembered. The transition from the fire sparks to skyscraper lights and then the switch to a more muted color palate with the cars coming in the frame near the end of the movie was one of the best I've ever seen in cinema as a whole.
Be honest, how many of you would buy your own Joi?
Iprobably would >.<
The Baseline Test was a wonderfully strange and science fictiony part of the movie.
CELLS
The Baseline Test was a wonderfully strange and science fictiony part of the movie.
CELLS
"I hope you enjoyed the product" (I think was the line)
One of the best moments in the film for me.
It was just hilariously dark and brutal.
She even mentions it in their first encounter, presumably do deliberately taunt him. Something along the lines of "I see you have purchased one of our products. Do you enjoy it?".
One of my favorite scenes in the movie.
She even mentions it in their first encounter, presumably do deliberately taunt him. Something along the lines of "I see you have purchased one of our products. Do you enjoy it?".
Joi was real Surfinn you bastard
I'll never forgive your lies
:'(
That was some "She" levels of heartbreak man.
I really felt for him
"I hope you enjoyed the product" (I think was the line)
One of the best moments in the film for me.
It was just hilariously dark and brutal.
It's like poetryRutger Hauer couldn't get more life so he gave Deckard more life (by not killing him lol)
K could not experience a true human moment so he gave Deckard one by reuniting him with his daughter.
Question
Is there a chance K is alive, for a sequel?
:'(
That was some "She" levels of heartbreak man.
I really felt for him
In the scene where Robin Wright's character suspends K does she know at that point that the boy is him?