So I assume your days off this week were Thursday and Friday?
Edit: oh shit, you mean you extended it with just calling in today? Yeah that was playing with Fire.
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Fired for using personal days?
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Edit: oh shit, you mean you extended it with just calling in today? Yeah that was playing with Fire.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Honestly? It's a two way street. Call center employees are often the worst. I worked for one for years. They had increasingly lenient policies regarding attendance, and employees would abuse it right to the limit.
For example, at one time, there was a new policy that employees could miss up to 12 days per year -- no questions asked! You know what happened in January of every year? At least a quarter of the employees wouldn't show up for 12 days. Like, I'm serious. They'd burn through them in January. That's cool, that's their right under the no questions policy, but when they have the flu in February or car trouble in March, they're up the creek.
So, yeah. Call centers have high turnover. Employees showing themselves the door are often enough the reason why.
Double Donut
Member
That's so fucking ridiculous. They exist for a reason.
Fucking work culture in America.
TimHortons
Member
So if I understand, you had some scheduled days off. Then you extended that with one of these personal days. Yeah most places have policies in place for that. Ya burnt basically. Your place sounded shitty anyways.
Admiral Woofington
Member
from your boss' perspective it looks like you requested vacation and he/she figured when you'd get back to handle your workload and then you called in the day of returning and essentially said you're taking one more day off correct?
If your team/boss liked you that might work out, but if you don't then it's a risky shot and now you've seen what happens in an at-will employment. Lesson learned.
Yeah thats pretty shitty to have scheduled vacation time and then call in on the day youre supposed to return. I work in a super chill department for corporate offices of a company and even my manager who likes me would give me shit for that .
TheCochese
Banned
Yeah, meaning to or not you messed up.
Yeah this, if you can hold out a month or so you could be covered for awhile. Use the time to go back to school
That looks real bad.
excelsiorlef
Member
You took 3 days off in a row and then called in sick with next to no notice on the 4th, the day you were supposed to come back?
No kidding they weren't happy.
So you sprung a surprise, unapproved day off on them with no notice.
That's why you were fired. In every job I've ever had, which run the gamut from fast food through financial analyst, you can't spring days off on an employer and not expect repercussions. Yes, you had the time off, but that doesn't mean you get to just announce them and not show up. They need advance notice, have coverage, etc.
I do hope you land on your feet, and get to a better employer, but you can't do that anywhere, really.
Cloggerdude
Member
And it appears the OP was already on a final written warning? Where I work, having a final written warning basically means that pretty much any new infraction will get you fired.
Im sorry you lost your job OP, but I would take this as a learning experience going forward. Not saying you deserved the final to begin with, but calling in today with no notice is all on you.
Aguero9320
Member
I work in an at-will state and coming from a land of employee's rights, I am amazed that people aren't rioting in the streets.
It's almost 2018 ffs. America is fucked up in so many ways. (no, I will not go back where I came from lol - I love it here, just recognise that many aspects of life are ridiculous, and people have been 100% brainwashed to defend such insane practices).
It's almost 2018 ffs. America is fucked up in so many ways. (no, I will not go back where I came from lol - I love it here, just recognise that many aspects of life are ridiculous, and people have been 100% brainwashed to defend such insane practices).
I get what you guys/gals are saying, but my days do not roll over to next year. I have less than 2 months to use them or forget them. Having 3 days approved and calling in once in a year shouldn't justify me being fired. I'm honestly kind of sad about the mentality I'm seeing. The job I had previously that I worked for 10 years had a union and something like this would be unheard of. Sad to see its the norm for most places.
Also, I work at a place with 500 co workers. Not exactly damaging.
Also, I work at a place with 500 co workers. Not exactly damaging.
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
The only thing relevant to this conversation is calling in the day of to say you aren't coming into work.
You are living in a dream world if you think that is ok. You have plenty of time to get approval for your other days you haven't used yet.
I honestly thought you were like 18 and this was your first job.
PrivateWHudson
Member
3 days off, then you call out the 4th day? Did you at least talk to your manger and make up a good excuse? "Hey boss, this sucks! I've been sick for my whole vacation and could really use another day to recoup. What a waste of a vacation. Is that cool, or do you need me back today?"
Randolph Freelander
Member
They didn't fire you for this one day. You said you had a history of sorts with them. I'm betting that history isn't entirely in your favor. This was the straw that broke the camel's back.
You had more than 2 more months remaining to schedule these days. You didn't schedule it, you just took it. You had a short leash. And there are 500 other employers there? News for you, a good number of them are doing the same thing you did, and that's why they can't keep you around, and that's why they'll get rid of the others as they continue to abuse the attendance policy.
3 days were approved by management weeks ago. Today, I called in and was let go hours afterwards. It's not like I have a history of calling in. It was today and 10/23 would make a year there. This is what boggles my mind. Only 1 day had no notice and I'm let go? Yet GAF thinks its fine thus far. Seems weird to me. Especially since I was asked if I wanted to use a personal day today.
Sounds like you don't get it, and you don't plan to get it.
He requested and was approved for 3 days off, weeks in advance. Then he had an emergency, and requested a personal/sick day, and was approved. It is bullshit that he was fired for using the tools his company provided for that.
everyday math
Banned
Yeah you were def playing with fire there OP
Rapscallion
Member
What state do you live in? There might be employment organizations that can help with your situation.
TheCochese
Banned
You took a four day vacation when three was approved. You had two months to use those four days of paid you had accrued.
I worked a call center job some years ago. You couldnt schedule sick/PTO days, only vacation days.
If you were a model employee who had a good relationship with your boss, this probably wouldn't have resulted in you getting fired. It may not have even resulted in a reprimand. They may have just let it slide. But you were already on your final warning and, even though I'm not familiar with your past threads, it's clear your relationship with your boss was bad. This was just the final straw.
You shouldn't look at this as: "I was fired for just using a personal day." You were fired for using a personal day and having multiple bad surveys and whatever else happened between you and your boss.
Yeah, calling in that 4th day was the nail in the coffin op. Legitimately at will means just that. They dont like that call in last minute most likely they are within their rights to fire you, but honestly they kind of fucked up as with an at will firing generally you dont want to give any reason for said firing as it opens up wrongful termination suits.
There was no emergency, he called in for a personal day directly following scheduled vacation.
Cloggerdude
Member
OP had an emergency?
I worked at a 3rd party. Those 2 failed surveys were older people that didn't understand billing and asked why their bill was so expensive. It was so expensive because they haven't paid in 2 months. Of course they wouldn't like the answer to why their bill is so expensive. I got 2 bad surveys for it, but my supervisors agreed it was bogus. It doesn't matter what someone leaves you a bad survey for if you're 3rd party. Pappa bear is gonna see it regardless.
zerokoolpsx
Member
Well, that sucks OP. You got 3 days off, but called today to take Wednesday off. I can see how that would rub your employer the wrong way, plus its literally last minute and unapproved.
The two previous surveys put you on "final" status so this was the last nail in the coffin. More like fired for not letting them know in advance notice for the 4th day.
File for unemployment and start searching for a new job OP.
The two previous surveys put you on "final" status so this was the last nail in the coffin. More like fired for not letting them know in advance notice for the 4th day.
File for unemployment and start searching for a new job OP.
Doesn't sound like you were that amazing of an employee, at least lately, but it also doesn't sound like they gave you any good motivation to actually try to be. I have been in the same situation, honestly. It's all too common of a (toxic) dynamic, so it's better that you're out of there.
Try to get on unemployment as soon as you can then coast through the holidays - perks of being fired!
Try to get on unemployment as soon as you can then coast through the holidays - perks of being fired!
Two months is plenty of time to use this one vacation day at a time that doesn't directly follow a vacation. I agree that this event alone isn't something that is fair to be fired for, but we don't have a lot to go on regarding your history with this employer and the one incident you're describing makes you appear to be in the wrong.
Are sick days not something yall have? My company has no problem if you call in during the morning and say you wont be in because youre sick. Obviously if you abuse it then theyll start questioning you and you only get a limited amount of sick time. granted I dont work in an environment where I have goals.
Cloggerdude
Member
Which would be a valid point if OP had called in for a sick day, but thats not what happened.
MarcoZombieCannon
Member
You worked in a call center, OP? Mine needs advance notice of personal day usage. They're intended as a stopgap solution for planned events that would keep you from coming in that you aren't able to reschedule. They can and do let it slide if you call in to use them same day, but only so long as you're on good terms. Sounds like you weren't.
Shit sucks, hope you find a new job. Just learn from this and move on.
Shit sucks, hope you find a new job. Just learn from this and move on.
Do you know me? I shouldn't of said who I worked for.
Randolph Freelander
Member
This dude was literally fired a month ago. They took him back. And then he did this.
I mean, I can't judge his full situation, the nuances of the entire history, but obviously, from the position of the employer? Short leash. Call in an unscheduled day off, after having been fired just recently, and after coming back even more recently, coming off a vacation? They're going to be like "this dude is not worth the trouble."
And maybe the employer isn't worth the trouble, either.
It can be both a problem with Villainous Amerika and a problem with OP being a shitty employee.
The hell? You wrote all that out in this thread besides the emergency bit.
So are you saying there was an emergency? Because all you said is that you took a personal day because your girlfriend is on fall break.
Not to my knowledge. Do I need to know you to think that your boss fucked you over?
PrivateWHudson
Member
He also didn't say that today was approved...
How does that matter? I used a personal day I earned and was let go.
Ok. nvm.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
There's no use getting caught up in the details of a job like this. Working in retail or a call center isn't a career, it's just work. They grind through employees because they 100% believe that they're all replaceable. They probably found someone who swore to never take a vacation and pulled te trigger.