demosthenes
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I joked with him about that and he just said "shut up" haha
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Blade Runner 2049 |OT| Do Androids Dream of Electric Boogaloo? [Unmarked Spoilers]
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I joked with him about that and he just said "shut up" haha
Ocarina_117
Banned
Still can't get this movie off my mind.
Hopefully rewatching it with uni friends next week.
I believe the sex scene from this movie will be a future iconic scene in cinema.
Hopefully rewatching it with uni friends next week.
I believe the sex scene from this movie will be a future iconic scene in cinema.
I don't think it's considered a sex scene.
But I agree. I thought it was iconic as soon as I saw it.
Sectorseven
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It's certainly well made. I think a lot of it comes down to how open minded you are and what you're expecting from a Blade Runner sequel 30 years later.
I think they probably did the best they could with trying to make a great film that would please everyone, but I can't help but feel there would be less hesitation if they simply made it it's own film rather than a sequel to a cult classic.
Sectorseven
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Do the kids want to see it? I'd be more worried about them getting bored.
In highschool you're not a toddler.
And this is still a colorful sci fi movie with action, not exactly a 5 hours Russian examination of faith.
Bruce Springsteen
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Not that, it was the scene where she first approached gosling
Ocarina_117
Banned
Lol sex scene was the best way for me to put it in a few words.
Funnily enough while in the cinema the scene didn't resonate with me as much as it does right now. Reflecting on the movie as a whole, it's definitely one of the stand out moments. The originality of it all is astounding. It's absolutely touching to the core how far Joi went to express love for K. It went a long way to making the later scene with the Joi advert all the more devastating.
More_Badass
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I tried to watch Blade Runner when I was a teenager and I hated it. Didn't even finish because it was so boring
Presenting 2049 as a "colorful sci-fi movie with action" (so why wouldn't a teenager like it) is kind of reductive, no?
Bruce Springsteen
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Thank you!
Tempted. Is there any commentary along with the art?
Yet the act could still be interpreted to be merely within the confines of her programming - the movie again provides proof of either reading:
"You've got a special one here," says Mariette, referring to Joi with K present.
"I've been inside you, not much there," she says to Joi, the day after with K absent.
(Sorry the dialogues are paraphrased, but that's the jist of it)
It's a 2.5 hour cyber-noir mood-piece.
Not saying kids can't like these, just sayin'.
jack_package_200
Banned
Yes, it ended up being a much bigger book than I expected.
Bruce Springsteen
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I also must add this movie was like watching a moving painting at times, so beautifully shot
There's only colorful movies for high schoolers and Tarkovsky!
My dude, like 7 high schoolers on planet earth are interested in 2049.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Yea. The 2:43 hour commentary aloneis not enough to cover what I want to know from the creators.
Needs a good Making Of. Pre production, production, post.
Heckler456
Banned
Is it a a guarantee that it'll have audio commentary and making-of footage? Blade Runner will literally be the first bluray I'll ever own, and the first disc I'll have bought in like 13 years.
More_Badass
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Pretty much
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
It's always funny thinking back to the Tarkovsky movie Nostalghia.
People who thought Blade Runner 2049 was too slow might actually physically die if they had to sit through that.
Thanks, sold if it ever comes back in stock in Canada! I also found this cool article about the writer of the book, who is also Villeneuve's partner.
I made it through 45 minutes of Solaris before I passed out. I'll try again one day!
CloudyTuba
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I didn't feel lonely but I felt really relaxed which was kind of a funny reaction to me.
I think the slower pace and frequent calm of the movie was just pleasant enough to de-stress me. Like I spent 3 hours reading a nice book or something.
Afterward I felt like sitting outside a cafe having a nice long lunch while people watching or something. I had to get moving, though.
Watching the original again and the scene with Bryant and Deckard discussing the Nexus 6 models has an obvious shady vibe. Bryant claims that the 4 year lifespan is a failsafe yet Deckard seems to have no idea that such a thing is possible and Tyrell later claims to Roy that the lifespan was simply the limit of their bioengineering ability. If Deckard's surprise at the short lifespan is genuine then doesn't that imply that older replicants had open-ended lifespans? It does feel like Deckard was just plopped into the situation with some embedded memories of being a BR and not much else.
There's high schoolers and high schoolers I suppose, 2001 was my favorite movie at 14, and I had no movie friends, so I wasn't trying to impress anyone, I was genuinely transfixed by it.
I don't think 2049 is all that unaccessible, and I think you're selling high schoolers and 8 year olds or something.
I mean some people won't be able to sit still for 2 hours no matter what, even at 40, but I don't think that has to do with age.
CountAntonius
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never seen the first. Loved this one. Looking forward to fleshing out the story more. This movie was so well done.
The film doesn't have mass-appeal, is the point.
Do these kids like slow-burning films like this? Or are they more in-to Marvel movies etc... Not a dig at all, its all preference.
Heckler456
Banned
Definitely this. Mother! was very... on the nose. This does what it does far better.
I'm sure there are 14 year old who can follow 2049 reasonably well, but the point is that there's barely any appeal for them. It's a sequel to a 35 year old film with some old fart on the poster.
Teens don't watch movies for colors or hard sci-fi.
I was excited for Mother! because of the director (loved Black Swan) but I have the impression people didnt like it at all.
Thanks.
I don't really see how they're comparable or what Blade Runner is doing similar to Mother.
That said I think I agree and would go see Blade Runner but, for Memento, I think Mother is pretty awesome and worth checking out when you have a chance.
More_Badass
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Both are fantastic in their own way, and both are among the best movies I've seen this year
If you want atmospheric thoughtful sci-fi noir, check this out
If you want unsettlingly surreal storytelling and disturbing imagery, check out Mother
You're right. Decard does seem surprised to learn about the 4 year lifespan. Which really doesn't make much sense since he's been retiring Replicants his whole life at that point. Unless, like you mention, the 4 year lifespan is a new development and prior Replicants' lifespans were open ended
Heckler456
Banned
I didn't mean to compare them. What I meant was that Blade Runner does what it does better, while whatever Mother! is shooting for seems a bit hamfisted at times.
tonysidaway
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An art film that is itself a sequel to an art film based on an obscure philosophical novel by a SF writer. The quality of the discussion in this thread is testament to its very effective, approachable presentation of deep questions.
admiraltaftbar
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I thought Tyrell told Roy that they are unable to correct the 4 year lifespan once a replicants is created with it (there's no reversing the genes basically). It is insinuated that older models did not have the lifespan limitations.
I would chalk it up to half baked writing and not a subtle hint to Deckard's supposed replicant nature. As much as I love the movie, OG Blade Runner is kinda all over the place in that department.
I watched the movie yesterday evening in Germany. There were only around 20 people in the theater. 4 teenagers (2 girls+2guys) left before the break. The guy in front of me I could hear sleeping-snorting-waking up 5 times (but made it to the end!) and another guy behind me called the movie "zäh" (tiresome) in the first half.... well anyway I liked it in the end. But I can totally understand it flopping. It's really too slow-paced for the masses. Nevertheless, the first one had similar pacing... and that's not the only aspect that makes this a great sequel.
But gotta be honest, if I had watched the movie at home, I probably wouldn't have gotten through. Only for the patient.
But gotta be honest, if I had watched the movie at home, I probably wouldn't have gotten through. Only for the patient.
Heckler456
Banned
Yeah, had a guy snoring away by the end as well. Which is crazy, given how loud the movie gets.
s_mirage
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It being a new development has always been how I rationalized it. Unfortunately, a single number screws up the easiest possible explanation: the opening text crawl states that replicants were made illegal on Earth after an off-world mutiny by a Nexus 6 combat team. If they hadn't mentioned a model number, Deckard's lack of knowledge could have been easily explained as unfamiliarity with the new Nexus 6 model, introduced exclusively off-world after the prohibition. Unfortunately they did...
While I like the original movie just fine, I'm going to go in with little expectations with 2049, only because I'm treating it more like it's own thing with loose ties to the original than a genuine sequel.
jack_package_200
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tonysidaway
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Read this. The writer has an excellent nose.
I feel like this feel could be analysed for years, there's so much going on over and under the surface.
Like the moment when he goes back to the police station and fails that test, after he's confused about his memory. He says to his Boss that he completed his mission. He wasnt lying when he said that. She didn't know it was him, he just couldn't bring himself to say that he though it was him. Lying by omission but not lying. I dont think the Replicants can lie. I think he presumed he was going to be retired and was submitting to that.
Thats my interpretation anyway, you could interpret it other ways.
As for the question of whether Joi is sentient. You can look at in a purely commercial sense a simple machine that has basic responses would not sell very well for very long. One that is smarter and able to adapt and behaves indistinguishably from a normal human or replicant would sell very well. One that is able to adapt really well to its human companion would actually have to be smarter than the human.
Whether its sentient or not who knows. The people in BladerRunner dont believe the Replicants are sentient or have souls either.
Like the moment when he goes back to the police station and fails that test, after he's confused about his memory. He says to his Boss that he completed his mission. He wasnt lying when he said that. She didn't know it was him, he just couldn't bring himself to say that he though it was him. Lying by omission but not lying. I dont think the Replicants can lie. I think he presumed he was going to be retired and was submitting to that.
Thats my interpretation anyway, you could interpret it other ways.
As for the question of whether Joi is sentient. You can look at in a purely commercial sense a simple machine that has basic responses would not sell very well for very long. One that is smarter and able to adapt and behaves indistinguishably from a normal human or replicant would sell very well. One that is able to adapt really well to its human companion would actually have to be smarter than the human.
Whether its sentient or not who knows. The people in BladerRunner dont believe the Replicants are sentient or have souls either.
Vulcano's assistant
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Been waiting for that one^
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