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Star Wars: The Last Jedi trailer

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Nictel

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Mr.Pig said:
Delicious porg.
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Chewie kills Luke to save the last Porg confirmed.


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"Please don't kill the Porg"
 
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Not

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Just watched episode VII for the 3rd time. Man that saber battle at the end. Soooo good. I'm glad they got that right.
 
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CaviarMeths

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CorrisD said:
Yup, and I remember the guys who did it said it was annoying because people assumed it was CG.
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There's so many cases of this, as well as people praising CGI without even knowing that it's CGI.

For example, Brokeback Mountain is generally regarded as a visually beautiful film. And it is. It was nominated for Best Cinematography. And yet it features extensive use of digital effects in most of the landscape shots. Even the sheep are CGI.
 
Yoshichan

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Ok, seen and analyzed the trailer around 200 times now. Unhealthy amount. Best trailer of all time.
 
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Bill R Boggess

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molnizzle said:
I feel like the only people who don’t hate the prequels must have been kids when they released. That’s the only possible explanation.
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I grew up with the Original Trilogy and I loved the prequels. (ESB is literally the first film I saw in the theater)

They’re flawed films for certain but they also contain tremendous amounts of awesome components. People tend to focus on the negatives and ignore how visually stunning these movies are and how much story and world-building they contain. Had Lucas simply hired a second unit director to shoot his actors and allowed somebody to polish up his clunky-ass dialogue, there’d have been little to complain about.

As it stands, there’s far more to love than dislike in the prequels from my standpoint but I am glad Lucas walked away from the franchise because what’s happening now is spectacular.
 
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Saucestin_Roast

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Bill R Boggess said:
I grew up with the Original Trilogy and I loved the prequels. (ESB is literally the first film I saw in the theater)

They’re flawed films for certain but they also contain tremendous amounts of awesome components. People tend to focus on the negatives and ignore how visually stunning these movies are and how much story and world-building they contain. Had Lucas simply hired a second unit director to shoot his actors and allowed somebody to polish up his clunky-ass dialogue, there’d have been little to complain about.

As it stands, there’s far more to love than dislike in the prequels from my standpoint but I am glad Lucas walked away from the franchise because what’s happening now is spectacular.
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Thank you for this post. Sums up my thoughts perfectly.
 
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Surfinn

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Bill R Boggess said:
I grew up with the Original Trilogy and I loved the prequels. (ESB is literally the first film I saw in the theater)

They’re flawed films for certain but they also contain tremendous amounts of awesome components. People tend to focus on the negatives and ignore how visually stunning these movies are and how much story and world-building they contain. Had Lucas simply hired a second unit director to shoot his actors and allowed somebody to polish up his clunky-ass dialogue, there’d have been little to complain about.

As it stands, there’s far more to love than dislike in the prequels from my standpoint but I am glad Lucas walked away from the franchise because what’s happening now is spectacular.
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Well, as somebody who walked out of the theater after seeing TPM as an eleven year old and disliked it, I can't really agree here. But I can respect this opinion. The PT did have some good ideas and artwork/world building that got lost in the shuffle.
 
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JonnyDBrit

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Surfinn said:
Well, as somebody who walked out of the theater after seeing TPM as an eleven year old and disliked it, I can't really agree here. But I can respect this opinion. The PT did have some good ideas and artwork/world building that got lost in the shuffle.
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Really, I feel like that one Vader comic scene where he learns about Luke's name is indicative of what the prequels could have been. Because detached from the actual movie, the flashes back to those moments have weight and pretty damn well highlight both the tragedy of Vader, but also set up for his scheming against Sheev. The idea of the man who gave himself to the darkness having feared losing, and then thinking he had lost, everything, is a powerful one. Unfortunately, the idea is much better than the execution we got up on the big screen (and say this as someone who still has fondness for the PT, since it got me into the franchise).
 
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mlclmtckr

Banned
I just watched it, the movie looks really good... but maybe I shouldn't have seen the trailer :|

Seems like I know the general plot of the whole movie now
 
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DiipuSurotu

Banned
JonnyDBrit said:
Really, I feel like that one Vader comic scene where he learns about Luke's name is indicative of what the prequels could have been. Because detached from the actual movie, the flashes back to those moments have weight and pretty damn well highlight both the tragedy of Vader, but also set up for his scheming against Sheev. The idea of the man who gave himself to the darkness having feared losing, and then thinking he had lost, everything, is a powerful one. Unfortunately, the idea is much better than the execution we got up on the big screen (and say this as someone who still has fondness for the PT, since it got me into the franchise).
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It's hilarious how people's answer to the question "Why didn't Ben or the Lars change Luke's family name?" was always "Well, 'Skywalker' must be a very common name in the galaxy or something", and then this scene just disproves the idea.
 
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Randam

Member
Bill R Boggess said:
I grew up with the Original Trilogy and I loved the prequels. (ESB is literally the first film I saw in the theater)

They’re flawed films for certain but they also contain tremendous amounts of awesome components. People tend to focus on the negatives and ignore how visually stunning these movies are and how much story and world-building they contain. Had Lucas simply hired a second unit director to shoot his actors and allowed somebody to polish up his clunky-ass dialogue, there’d have been little to complain about.

As it stands, there’s far more to love than dislike in the prequels from my standpoint but I am glad Lucas walked away from the franchise because what’s happening now is spectacular.
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It isn't the dialog that is wrong with the prequels.
It's the whole narrative that is flawed.
Worst part then was episode 3 and Anakin's turn and how/why he becomes Vader.
 
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Surfinn

Member
JonnyDBrit said:
Really, I feel like that one Vader comic scene where he learns about Luke's name is indicative of what the prequels could have been. Because detached from the actual movie, the flashes back to those moments have weight and pretty damn well highlight both the tragedy of Vader, but also set up for his scheming against Sheev. The idea of the man who gave himself to the darkness having feared losing, and then thinking he had lost, everything, is a powerful one. Unfortunately, the idea is much better than the execution we got up on the big screen (and say this as someone who still has fondness for the PT, since it got me into the franchise).
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Do you have a link to that scene? Sounds interesting. Also how old are you? The PT was your introduction to SW! Wow, didn't know that.

OriginofHysteria said:
"There are AT-ATs and Luke Skywalker! Copied!"
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This is why we can't have nice things. They help perpetuate these hallow criticisms amongst YT "reviewers"

mlclmtckr said:
I just watched it, the movie looks really good... but maybe I shouldn't have seen the trailer :|Seems like I know the general plot of the whole movie now
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Don't worry. Probably over half of what you saw is misdirection.

Lizzy said:
I have never understood the appeal of RLM.
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Every once in a while, I watch one of their videos to see if I enjoy it, as I loved a lot of the Plinkett PT reviews. I don't think they've done anything good since then though, even if they still get a laugh from me every now and again. But their nerd crew videos are needlessly narcissistic and tired satire.
 
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Randam

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DiipuSurotu said:
It's hilarious how people's answer to the question "Why didn't Ben or the Lars change Luke's family name?" was always "Well, 'Skywalker' must be a very common name in the galaxy or something", and then this scene just disproves the idea.
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Vader thought his children were dead, so he just never looked for them.
And who knows if he knew he had other relatives left.
But then again, why should he look for them?


Surfinn said:
Do you have a link to that scene? Sounds interesting.
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https://comicnewbies.com/2015/06/04/darth-vader-learns-luke-is-his-son/
 
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JonnyDBrit

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DiipuSurotu said:
It's hilarious how people's answer to the question "Why didn't Ben or the Lars change Luke's family name?" was always "Well, 'Skywalker' must be a very common name in the galaxy or something", and then this scene just disproves the idea.
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Yeah. I mean, I always just bought into the idea that it's a big galaxy and so without specifically looking it just wouldn't come up, especially since Anakin could be argued as having reasons never to especially want to go back home (though Episode II could have done a lot better in making that explicit, as with many other things).

Surfinn said:
Do you have a link to that scene? Sounds interesting. Also how old are you? The PT was your introduction to SW! Wow, didn't know that.
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https://imgur.com/gallery/VSRKX
The art's a little wonky (Luke's expression is hilarious), but I really love this moment. Surprising amount of expression one can get out of slight tilts of a mask in a comic book. You can just feel Anakin simmering under there.

As to my age, I'm 22, will be 23 come February. Strictly speaking The Phantom Menace wasn't outright my introduction to the Star Wars universe - my family did have video tapes which I'd watched a couple times - but it was where I really, suddenly got interested and began watching those tapes a whole lot more. I had those laser tag blaster toys from the battle of naboo, speeders, a droid battle tank, so forth. I got to grow up watching Anakin grow up (even if at a much faster pace than myself), and given my lack of ability to fully appreciate acting ability (or the lack thereof) or fully realise themes (or their inconsistencies) outside of their immediacy, I did give those films a fair bit of leniency - though even I was iffy on Episode II. I recognise now they're deeply flawed, and even my favourite of the bunch - TPM - is honestly an unnecessary film when considering what story the trilogy as a whole is trying to tell. But I do still feel a bit defensive when people quite often argue that the films are entirely terrible or don't deserve to exist because they ruined their childhood, as silly as that is. After all, it was my childhood, and I see value in it.
 
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Lizzy

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Randam said:
It isn't the dialog that is wrong with the prequels.
It's the whole narrative that is flawed.
Worst part then was episode 3 and Anakin's turn and how/why he becomes Vader.
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Anakin Skywalker: You are so... beautiful.
Padmé: It's only because I'm so in love.
Anakin Skywalker: No, it's because I'm so in love with you.
Padmé: So love has blinded you?
Anakin Skywalker: [laughs] Well, that's not exactly what I meant.
Padmé: But it's probably true.
 
Theodoricos

Theodoricos

Member
The unnatural, badly written dialogue is absolutely the worst part of the prequels.

The actually good dialogue was why TFA was so refreshing.
 
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Khezu

Member
Literally everything is wrong with the prequels.
No point in trying to just isolate one specific problem.

The entire thing is the problem.
 
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kevin1025

Banned
If they threw out the story of the prequels and had made Anakin turn to the dark side in the third act of Episode II, and he went around as Vader before his injuries and killed Qui-Gon then (thus giving us two awesome Neeson movies), it would have gone a lot further for me. Then we could have had a whole movie of Vader building up the galaxy's fear and hunting Jedi while Obi-Wan tries to turn him back and fails.
 
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Surfinn

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JonnyDBrit said:
Yeah. I mean, I always just bought into the idea that it's a big galaxy and so without specifically looking it just wouldn't come up, especially since Anakin could be argued as having reasons never to especially want to go back home (though Episode II could have done a lot better in making that explicit, as with many other things).



https://imgur.com/gallery/VSRKX
The art's a little wonky (Luke's expression is hilarious), but I really love this moment. Surprising amount of expression one can get out of slight tilts of a mask in a comic book. You can just feel Anakin simmering under there.

As to my age, I'm 22, will be 23 come February. Strictly speaking The Phantom Menace wasn't outright my introduction to the Star Wars universe - my family did have video tapes which I'd watched a couple times - but it was where I really, suddenly got interested and began watching those tapes a whole lot more. I had those laser tag blaster toys from the battle of naboo, speeders, a droid battle tank, so forth. I got to grow up watching Anakin grow up (even if at a much faster pace than myself), and given my lack of ability to fully appreciate acting ability (or the lack thereof) or fully realise themes (or their inconsistencies) outside of their immediacy, I did give those films a fair bit of leniency 0 though even I was iffy on Episode II. I recognise now they're deeply flawed, and even my favourite of the bunch - TPM - is honestly an unnecessary film when considering what story the trilogy as a whole is trying to tell. But I do still feel a bit defensive when people quite often argue that the films are entirely terrible or don't deserve to exist because they ruined their childhood, as silly as that is. After all, it was my childhood, and I see value in it.
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Thanks for sharing. That is really interesting and I like the last line of your post.

I agree that there are definitely qualities there that often go overlooked.

Since I grew up with the OT (I watched them almost everyday lol), I was used to SW being quite different from the PT.. Feeling different too.

I remember seeing the premiere of ATOC and people flipping their shit when CGI Yoda started spinning around and I was thinking.. What the fuck is going on

And I remember people legitimately laughing in the theater whenever Palp was on screen. Not particularly the emotion you'd like to evoke in that film and during those moments, haha.

But yeah, I can recognize that there IS a story, world building, effects.. There are themes hidden in the PT that would have created great films.

That's what saddens me the most. Is that it WASN'T all shit. What could have been, and wasn't.
 
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kitzkozan

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Theodoricos said:
The unnatural, badly written dialogue is absolutely the worst part of the prequels.

The actually good dialogue was why TFA was so refreshing.
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Nah, it's Hayden Christensen and Lloyd being unable to deliver which make it so irritating. The prequels are about Anakin fall from grace, but fans didn't give a fuck because they hated the character for all the wrong reasons lol. Hayden Christensen didn't attend Star Wars conventions for 15 years (2002 to 2017) and he was present this year because they actually have a lead who's liked and naturally likeable. Even in real life, Christensen is naturally awkward and prove that Lucas completely misfired in choosing him. XD
 
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