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[CloudyTuba]

Which is why this would've been pretty cool, I feel.

It shows us the Force never really forgave him and that even in death, his spirit is still fighting to not go back to the Dark side.

I never felt the need to complicate Vader's redemption. ROTJ ends with him becoming a light-side aligned force ghost. I don't need to see his ghost have any personal struggles. He's a good guy now.

However, using art like the above to represent the fact that is his past, a permanent scar on his soul, I'm all about that. If his ghost started recalling the dark times and as he did, his image got all haunting and intimidating as a reflection of his thoughts, that would be sweet. A visual representation of his past that he can never undo, not indicative of his present.

 

[Guy.brush]

Have we discussed why this trailer has shown zero shots from the casino planet Canto Bight?
I thought that would be the whole End of 1st to 2nd act basically?

 

[Theodoricos]

Luke is definitely going to be weaker than he was in RotJ, at least if he ever gets into a lightsaber battle (which I hope he won't). His strength in the Force is a different matter, but I agree that he's most likely going to be washed-up. I kind of imagine his power level being the same as Ben's in ANH.

 

[TheOfficeMut]

So who wants to wager that Rey loses a limb? Anyone?

 

[JonnyDBrit]

Have we discussed why this trailer has shown zero shots from the casino planet Canto Bight?
I thought that would be the whole End of 1st to 2nd act basically?

I... don't think we have.

As to why, I heavily suspect that's probably one of the more spoilery segments of the film, given its likely central place in what Rose and Finn's mission is. Otherwise, it might be they're trying to save the glamour of the location for when you see it in theatres.

 

[JCHandsom]

So who wants to wager that Rey loses a limb? Anyone?

That's a safe bet.

I'll be risky and say she loses a foot instead of a hand.

 

[Haloid1177]

Luke is definitely going to be weaker than he was in RotJ, at least if he ever gets into a lightsaber battle (which I hope he won't). His strength in the Force is a different matter, but I agree that he's most likely going to be washed-up. I kind of imagine his power level being the same as Ben's in ANH.

I won't stand for this. I don't need realism "dude he's old" bullshit in my Star Wars I need my childhood cinema hero is still a badass nonsense and I won't be happy unless it happens.

Spoiler

You're probably right and the movie will be better for it but fuck I'm gonna be bummed.

 

[JCHandsom]

Luke is definitely going to be weaker than he was in RotJ, at least if he ever gets into a lightsaber battle (which I hope he won't). His strength in the Force is a different matter, but I agree that he's most likely going to be washed-up. I kind of imagine his power level being the same as Ben's in ANH.

This makes a lot of sense.

If he does do anything impressive it would be a last gasp of power.

 

[Guy.brush]

I... don't think we have.

As to why, I heavily suspect that's probably one of the more spoilery segments of the film, given its likely central place in what Rose and Finn's mission is. Otherwise, it might be they're trying to save the glamour of the location for when you see it in theatres.

It could also be that Canto Bight has the bulk of the humor, funky creatures etc and that didn't fit with the edge dark marketing?

 

[JonnyDBrit]

It could also be that Canto Bight has the bulk of the humor, funky creatures etc and that didn't fit with the edge dark marketing?

Also possible. Even in the seedier archetypes that sort of location is defined by how roaring and upbeat it is on the surface, where the marketing has really touched on a certain sense of desperation.

 

[Sectorseven]

Luke is definitely going to be weaker than he was in RotJ, at least if he ever gets into a lightsaber battle (which I hope he won't). His strength in the Force is a different matter, but I agree that he's most likely going to be washed-up. I kind of imagine his power level being the same as Ben's in ANH.

Hey, if Christopher Lee can do back flips then Luke Skywalker should be op af.

 

[TheOfficeMut]

This makes a lot of sense.

If he does do anything impressive it would be a last gasp of power.

He uses his last bit of energy to ward off the impending Knights of Ren chasing Rey. In his final glory, he glows and goes up in a ball of energy, consumed by the force. Then you see him chillin' alongside Obi-Wan eating some popcorn, watching the flick.

 

[Voidwolf]

Then again it'd be pretty hype if Luke just reclaimed Anakin's saber and Rey got to build the double bladed one everyone wants her to have.

Or have Luke use both Anakin's and his green saber. Basically I want the worst kind of fan service with Luke and I don't even care.

Ew, no thanks.

 

[Timu]

If I may speculate based on the image I just posted...SPOILERS because I'm using a leak to help me out.

Spoiler

1. Rey surrenders herself to Snoke/Kylo because she believes it will help save her friends or something. She is taken to the Supremacy.
2. Finn and Rose's mission is to BLOW UP the Supremacy.
3. Rey gets tortured by Snoke. Finn and Rose get captured/interrogated.
4. Snoke participates, with the Supremacy, in the battle of Crait.
5. Bomb goes off. Chaos. Rey uses this to escape. Same for Finn and Rose. This is the aftermath in which Finn and Phasma fight.
6. Rey, Finn, and Rose make it off and down to Crait to participate in the remnants of the battle.

I can see all of this happening.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

 

[D6AMIA6N]

My hope for the next two installments is that Rey turns to the Dark Side, and Kylo and Luke must stop her and Snoke.

That would be awesome I think. A female, Dark Jedi as the center of the modern Star Wars universe? Count me in.

 

[JCHandsom]

Hey, if Christopher Lee can do back flips then Luke Skywalker should be op af.

I don't think he ever did.

I think he was kicked over a railing once, but that doesn't count.

 

[D6AMIA6N]

Pretty sure he did a back flip

 

[Sectorseven]

I don't think he ever did.

I think he was kicked over a railing once, but that doesn't count.

My apologies, it was a forward flip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFe_5j9KByo

 

[JCHandsom]

My hope for the next two installments is that Rey turns to the Dark Side, and Kylo and Luke must stop her and Snoke.

That would be awesome I think. A female, Dark Jedi as the center of the modern Star Wars universe? Count me in.

Kylo redemption? Rey turns evil?

 

[sphagnum]

I don't think he ever did.

I think he was kicked over a railing once, but that doesn't count.

He did a flip to get down to the floor in RotS.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eYT3ctPuVRw See 0:44

 

[TheOfficeMut]

Kylo redemption? Rey turns evil?

Yeaaa I'm not into these fanfic ideas that subvert your expectations with "gotcha" moments by having an esteemed character turn to the dark side for no good reason other than a twist.

 

[jelly]

Blue slush puppy.....nooo....a red slush puppy.

 

[D6AMIA6N]

Alright, so what is the logical alternative by the end of the trilogy? Good Rey vs bad Kylo. Boring.

Obviously I would still be excited.

 

[Guy.brush]

And another piece of marketing with "what the fuck does Luke do on both the light and dark side" stands?!

 

[Theodoricos]

Rey will not turn to the dark side, but if she's not at the very least tempted or if she doesn't at least dip her toe in the dark side a bit (a la Luke in RotJ), I'm going to be disappointed.

But judging from the trailers, I think it's a safe bet that the temptation will be there.

 

[Lifejumper]

And another piece of marketing with "what the fuck does Luke do on both the light and dark side" stands?!

‘Balance of the force’ is gonna be a big theme in TLJ I think.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

He does a forward flip before the ROTS duel. Can't remember him doing a back flip but I may be wrong.

 

[Theodoricos]

And another piece of marketing with "what the fuck does Luke do on both the light and dark side" stands?!

Yeah, you'd expect to see Snoke instead of Luke on the dark side... er, side.

So I'm curious as to where they're going with this. Unless they're just messing with us.

 

[Skunkers]

My hope for the next two installments is that Rey turns to the Dark Side, and Kylo and Luke must stop her and Snoke.

That would be awesome I think. A female, Dark Jedi as the center of the modern Star Wars universe? Count me in.

It would be an interesting twist but I don’t feel like there has been any foreshadowing of that in TFA. I frankly don’t think Kylo is turning light side possibly ever either.

 

[D6AMIA6N]

So no one else wants to see something less traditional?

I am not dreaming up "fanfic" here, just stating what I thought would be interesting.

I'm nearing 40 and grew up with the OT, hated the PT, and really enjoyed TFA despite it being pretty much a rehash of ANH, with new characters. I'm entitled to dream aren't I?

 

[Guy.brush]

‘Balance of the force' is gonna be a big theme in TLJ I think.

For sure.
I mean Rian Johnson put a literal "going back to the roots/center" in his script with the Journal of the Whills, the root of the Star Wars franchise being located at the roots of the ancient Jedi tree. Luke definitely wanted some answers from it.
I just hope the answer is not being a Grey(tm) fanfiction Jedi.

Here is a theory: Maybe Snoke (ab)used poor Kylo in the sense that he wanted to force the Force to spawn a more forceful antibody counter part to him in Rey?

 

[Theodoricos]

So no one else wants to see something less traditional?

I am not dreaming up "fanfic" here, just stating what I thought would be interesting.

I'm nearing 40 and grew up with the OT, hated the PT, and really enjoyed TFA despite it being pretty much a rehash of ANH, with new characters. I'm entitled to dream aren't I?

I imagine the vast majority of people here want something less traditional, at least for Rian Johnson's film.

But whatever that is, it needs to be a natural follow-up to the previous movie.

I think there's a greater chance they're gonna do something with Luke rather than Rey, but I hope he hasn't turned or anything. That would be character assassination at this point. But they could do that for shock value and to mirror ESB's twist.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Luke could have fallen to the dark side because of his impatience and lineage. Rey literally has no reason to fall to the dark side aside from "It would be an awesome plot twist!!". She will be tempted, sure, but that's about it.

 

[Betty]

And another piece of marketing with "what the fuck does Luke do on both the light and dark side" stands?!

Remember when Yoda said "no, there is another..."

We all thought it was Leia he was talking about.

But what if Luke... had an evil twin brother!

Dun Dun Duuuuuuuuun!

 

[Draper]

So no one else wants to see something less traditional?

I am not dreaming up "fanfic" here, just stating what I thought would be interesting.

I'm nearing 40 and grew up with the OT, hated the PT, and really enjoyed TFA despite it being pretty much a rehash of ANH, with new characters. I'm entitled to dream aren't I?

Not with that stance, you don't.

 

[JCHandsom]

So no one else wants to see something less traditional?

I am not dreaming up "fanfic" here, just stating what I thought would be interesting.

I'm nearing 40 and grew up with the OT, hated the PT, and really enjoyed TFA despite it being pretty much a rehash of ANH, with new characters. I'm entitled to dream aren't I?

Oh, sorry, I'll call back the Dream Police and tell them not to bother arresting you then. My b

 

[D6AMIA6N]

Oh, sorry, I'll call back the Dream Police and tell them not to bother arresting you then. My b

lol

Just tell them what I wrote, and maybe I'll only get a warning.

 

[Voidwolf]

Here is a theory: Maybe Snoke (ab)used poor Kylo in the sense that he wanted to force the Force to spawn a more forceful antibody counter part to him in Rey?

That seems a little forced.



But in all seriousness, I just wanna see Kylo unleash some Force Lightning this time around. Hell, have him go up against a group of resistance soldiers, Rogue One style, and he ends it by trapping a few of them in Force Stasis and then shocking them all. Then Luke shows up.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Remember when Yoda said "no, there is another..."

We all thought it was Leia he was talking about.

But what if Luke... had an evil twin brother!

Dun Dun Duuuuuuuuun!

Or a clone. Called Luuke.

 

[JCHandsom]

lol

Just tell them what I wrote, and maybe I'll only get a warning.

Haha yeah those guys are pushovers you good

That seems a little forced.



But in all seriousness, I just wanna see Kylo unleash some Force Lightning this time around. Hell, have him go up against a group of resistance soldiers, Rogue One style, and he ends it by trapping a few of them in Force Stasis and then shocking them all. Then Luke shows up.

No more lightning

We can do more with the Force than rehash previous abilities

We've seen potential with freezing the blaster bolt and immobilizing someone, let's keep it going

 

[TheOfficeMut]

And another piece of marketing with "what the fuck does Luke do on both the light and dark side" stands?!

Out-my-ass-theory time

Luke, after VI, was tempted to learn more about the dark side in order to better utilize or understand it. He befriends someone named Snoke. The two journey together and eventually find Sith/dark side teachings which frighten Luke but tempt Snoke. Luke, recognizing that Snoke is dark or turning, decides to try to hide the material from him. They fight and Luke wins, presumably killing Snoke.

Luke hides what he found and vows to never return to it again. He starts his own academy to train a new group of people to prepare for an uncertain future. Behind closed doors, Snoke, who wasn't killed, identifies a disciple of Luke's - Kylo - and convinces him to turn on Luke after revealing to Kylo that he's related to Darth Vader, something Luke told Snoke when the two bonded years before.

Kylo convinces others to join him and Snoke, they fight Luke and presumably kill him, and Luke runs off. Sometime later Rey comes into the picture and I have not thought of how to include her in this half-assed theory of mine.

Ta-da.

 

[jelly]

Could Snoke feed on the force or be looking to transfer to a new body.

 

[Surfinn]

And another piece of marketing with "what the fuck does Luke do on both the light and dark side" stands?!

What the hell is red tower black tower?

 

[CorrisD]

What, since when?

And I'm pretty sure George said that getting rid of the dark side was bringing balance to the force, which Anakin did.

Since never, he’s making it up.

The prophecy was that the chosen one would bring an end to the Sith and bring balance to the force. This isn’t about the defeating dark side, and the Jedi and Sith were just two of many factions who considered themselves on either side of the spectrum, but it was a Jedi prophecy about the Sith. George said to bring balance was to stop those who would corrupt it, and he compares it to a cancer of the body, and the Sith are that cancer.

So when Anakin sacrifices his life to kill Palpatine he had destroyed both Darth Vader and Darth Sidious who were the last two remaining Sith, and so the prophecy was fulfilled. What it means in the grand scale of things we don’t know, Snoke and Kylo Ren are both dark side users and that’s about all we know at this point, but they aren’t Sith.

 

[Voidwolf]

No more lightning

We can do more with the Force than rehash previous abilities

We've seen potential with freezing the blaster bolt and immobilizing someone, let's keep it going

Nah, lightning is a staple power of the dark side, the ability to wield it signifies great power. It has to show up at some point. I'm much more interested in seeing Kylo wield a myriad of new abilities, Rey and Luke too. But the bad guys have to loose a bolt of lightning here and there.

 

[JCHandsom]

Nah, lightning is a staple power of the dark side, the ability to wield it signifies great power. It has to show up at some point. I'm much more interested in seeing Kylo wield a myriad of new abilities, Rey and Luke too. But the bad guys have to loose a bolt of lightning here and there.

Stupid prequels making it canon that lightning is a common dark side power instead of Palpatine showing off just how godly powerful he was.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

Stupid prequels making it canon that lightning is a common dark side power instead of Palpatine showing off just how godly powerful he was.

I must admit it's one of those things I'm mixed on. On the one hand, I like the idea of it being a 'common' end result of the dark side, but at the same time... it feels like it comes way too easily for most of the characters that have been depicted to use it in Star Wars media over the years. I know the RPG analogy is a stupid one when it comes to force powers, but Lightning feels like it should be one of those 'high level' things where you have to tap deep into one's pure malice, and sadistic hatred of another being, to torture them as you drain the life from their being...

And Dooku just kinda casually waves it out. A lot of people have just casually waved it out.

 

[CorrisD]

Out-my-ass-theory time

Luke, after VI, was tempted to learn more about the dark side in order to better utilize or understand it. He befriends someone named Snoke. The two journey together and eventually find Sith/dark side teachings which frighten Luke but tempt Snoke. Luke, recognizing that Snoke is dark or turning, decides to try to hide the material from him. They fight and Luke wins, presumably killing Snoke.

Luke hides what he found and vows to never return to it again. He starts his own academy to train a new group of people to prepare for an uncertain future. Behind closed doors, Snoke, who wasn't killed, identifies a disciple of Luke's - Kylo - and convinces him to turn on Luke after revealing to Kylo that he's related to Darth Vader, something Luke told Snoke when the two bonded years before.

Kylo convinces others to join him and Snoke, they fight Luke and presumably kill him, and Luke runs off. Sometime later Rey comes into the picture and I have not thought of how to include her in this half-assed theory of mine.

Ta-da.

We know a few things, Snoke is old and is an alien humanoid but not human, he also witnessed the rise and fall of the Empire, he’s had apprentices before Kylo Ren. The novels tell us that Palpatine sensed a dark presence calling out from the unknown regions watching the rest of the galaxy and events unfold, and that Leia could sense something dark reaching out to Ben before he was even born, and he reacted back. The unknown regions is where what is left of the Empire returns with Snoke as its leader.

 

[Voidwolf]

Stupid prequels making it canon that lightning is a common dark side power instead of Palpatine showing off just how godly powerful he was.

I must admit it's one of those things I'm mixed on. On the one hand, I like the idea of it being a 'common' end result of the dark side, but at the same time... it feels like it comes way too easily for most of the characters that have been depicted to use it in Star Wars media over the years. I know the RPG analogy is a stupid one when it comes to force powers, but Lightning feels like it should be one of those 'high level' things where you have to tap deep into one's pure malice, and sadistic hatred of another being, to torture them as you drain the life from their being...

And Dooku just kinda casually waves it out. A lot of people have just casually waved it out.

What are you guys going on about? Only Sidious and Dooku used it. Oh and that witch Talzin. These were all notably powerful people. Every other dark sider in canon hasn't been seen using it. Maul, Savage, Ventress, the Inquisitors, and Vader (although that was due to his wounds).