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FBI finds Russia bribed way into U.S. atomic energy; nuclear deal still went through

DogDude

Member
Had to fit title so follow link instead

http://www.newsweek.com/fbi-kept-ru...aps-obama-approved-nuclear-deal-moscow-686660

The Obama administration signed a controversial nuclear deal with Moscow despite prior FBI findings that Russian officials were bribing their way into the U.S. atomic energy industry, according to government documents just published by The Hill.

A confidential U.S. witness deployed by the FBI infiltrated Russia’s nuclear industry and made secret recordings, collected financial records and intercepted emails dating back to 2009 that showed that Moscow engaged in bribery and kickbacks with an American uranium trucking company, documents show.


But the Obama administration insisted no evidence existed of Russian interference and that there were no national security concerns for committee members to go against the deal in 2010.

In case you want to know how far Russian infiltration goes, it seems Russia even got into our Uranium supply.
 

RulkezX

Member
And this is why r/thedonald was like every post in /all tonight on reddit.

The alt right seemed pretty happy about it.
 

antonz

Member
This must be what Hannity was mocking Wittes with the Tick Tock stuff. Since the GOP has tied Hillary so tightly to the Uranium deals. They will try to make a larger story out of it
 

Guy.brush

Member
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history will have to rewrite who won the Cold War. Russians in it for the long game.
 
The Obama Administration certainly were dumbasses in a number of capacities. Great marketing team, but some serious issues behind the scenes.
 
a trucking company! OH LAWDY IT WAS HILLARY, BECAUSE HILLARY HAS SEEN TRUCKS BEFORE!

Seriously, mate? The fuck outta here.
 

Joe

Member
What the hell.

From The Hill article:
”The Russians were compromising American contractors in the nuclear industry with kickbacks and extortion threats, all of which raised legitimate national security concerns. And none of that evidence got aired before the Obama administration made those decisions," a person who worked on the case told The Hill, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution by U.S. or Russian officials.

Does this mean the Obama administration knew but did not publicly disclose, or did not know when making the deal?


Also, going to need more a lot more information on this:
FBI agents also gathered documents and a witness account that Russian officials routed millions of dollars to ex-President Bill Clinton's charitable foundation while Secretary of State Hillary Clinton sat on a committee that gave a nod to the dealings with Moscow.
 
This actually sounds really bad. From the article:

Russian exortion threats and kickbacks brought legitimate national security concerns, "And none of that evidence got aired before the Obama administration made those decisions," a souce who insisted on anonymity out of fear of retribution told The Hill.

FBI agents also gathered documents and a witness account that Russian officials routed millions of dollars to ex-President Bill Clinton's charitable foundation while Secretary of State Hillary Clinton sat on a committee that gave a nod to the dealings with Moscow.

The Department of Justice investigated the Russian plot for close to four years, keeping the information under wraps while the Obama administration approved the deal instead of bringing immediate charges,
 

Metaroo

Member
So uh. I guess Russia was pumping money into both sides of the American political world? This is fucking wild. What a world.
 
So uh. I guess Russia was pumping money into both sides of the American political world? This is fucking wild. What a world.

This isn't entirely shocking. Their goal wasn't to back a specific side – it was to undermine the authority and power of the US and destabilize the nation. They've succeeded.
 

Madness

Member
A confidential U.S. witness deployed by the FBI infiltrated Russia’s nuclear industry and made secret recordings, collected financial records and intercepted emails

Espionage is a two way street. But it does kind of make sense with the reset they wanted with Russia. Mitt Romney was right when he said the greater geopolitical foe is still Russia and the admin and people laughed. Instead they annexed Crimea, also basically helped Assad maintain power in Syria even after he slaughtered his own citizens and used chrmical weapons, influenced the 2016 US elections etc. Crazy how Russia was able to pull all of this off with little to no one caring until it was too late.
 
For fucks sake.

This sounds terrible. Also, what a fucking wonderful present to fall into the lap of Hannity and the rest of the right wing goons. We're going to hear about this every day for the rest of our lives now.

"THE TRUE RUSSIA SCANDAL INVOLVES THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION RETROACTIVELY IMPEACH LOCK HIM UP RAAAAAAHHHHH"
 
Wasn't this brought up multiple times during the election? Still strange this all went through. Don't give Russians access to your energy networks and other infrastructure.
 

JWiLL

Banned
Only just saw a few tweets about this during work...but apparently Mueller was involved in the initial investigation from 2009 I believe? He was still with the FBI at that point, then Comey took over.

It would appear this is quite the clusterfuck.
 
tbh when I saw the Hill story earlier I brushed it off because one of the authors, John Solomon, is a known partisan hack that's written misleading hit pieces before.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores

This is pretty.... Wow

FBI agents also gathered documents and a witness account that Russian officials routed millions of dollars to ex-President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation while Secretary of State Hillary Clinton sat on a committee that gave a nod to the dealings with Moscow.
This part has been known for quite a while though. It was actually a pretty big point of contention back in the good ol' primary days.
 

Metaroo

Member
This isn't entirely shocking. Their goal wasn't to back a specific side – it was to undermine the authority and power of the US and destabilize the nation. They've succeeded.

Yeah, I was probably naive to think Russia's interference began and ended with Trump.
 

Vixdean

Member
This is a pretty old story, we already knew that Russian nuclear industry execs were giving money to the Clinton Foundation and Hillary addressed that concern during the campaign. Basically she was not personally involved in the State Department's decision, plus 6 other US agencies had the approve the deal. The extortion and bribery charges seem completely unrelated to the decisions made by the Obama administration. Also, LEU is hardly a major "national security" issue. Hell, US nuclear energy in general is a dying industry.
 

devilhawk

Member
So uh. I guess Russia was pumping money into both sides of the American political world? This is fucking wild. What a world.
Breed dissent, polarization, and distrust in the government. The facebook and twitter bots were just a microcosm of their overall strategy.

Wasn't this brought up multiple times during the election? Still strange this all went through. Don't give Russians access to your energy networks and other infrastructure.
It seemed a bit more conspiratorial back then. There was probably less info available.
 
Probably a good time for everyone to revisit Bill Browder’s testimony. He warned that Russians can run businesses here and use those to donate to campaigns or to lobby or whatever else to obtain what they wanted.

But people will make this into more whataboutism, but we have a severe problem with money in politics that leaves use super vulnerable to this sort of thing. No matter the political spectrum.
 

Mael

Member
So uh. I guess Russia was pumping money into both sides of the American political world? This is fucking wild. What a world.

I'm fairly certain that in the last French election there's barely 1 guy you couldn't suspect of being paid off by them.
At least 3 of them were pretty blatant about it too.
Unfortunately for them the one guy they clearly didn't pay won (and no one gave a shit about Russia in that election btw).
It would be stupid of them to not try to corrupt all sides of the political spectrum but as their means are large but not unlimited I guess they can't buy everyone, I doubt that they would have Clinton in their pocket as they really threw their weight into trying to defeat her.
 
Read this and not sure what's substantial other than the additional details coming to light after charges were made and the case was closed. I can understand why the dr try over nature of the investigation was imperative in clenching evidence. More than anything this should be even more concrete evidence of the corruption within the Russian government and the dangers they pose.
 

CDX

Member
I feel like this is REALLY OLD news. Like from the primary or before.

Edit: yeah it seems of this was brought up before.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Yeah, I was probably naive to think Russia's interference began and ended with Trump.
Don't worry, there are a lot of people out there who view this issue with way too much unknowable specificity.

It seemed a bit more conspiratorial back then. There was probably less info available.

After reading the article, there isn't anything new in there that I didn't already know last year. Same anonymous sources.
 

Scirrocco

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Then-U.S. Attorney Rod Rosenstein, who was appointed by Obama and now works as President Donald Trump’s deputy attorney general, and then-Assistant FBI Director Andrew McCabe, who serves as deputy FBI director under Trump, supervised the investigation, documents show.

Welp, I'm betting hes gone, to be replaced by a crony who will try and fire Mueller.
 

shem935

Banned
Isn't this just the subject of Clinton Cash?

Is there any new information to tie this directly to Hillary or Obama?

Or is this meant to throw shade at the FBI under Mueller?

I think yes, no, yes are the answers to those questions in order.

Edit: Unless that isn't the subject of clinton cash, I'm sure some other posters in here know what clinton cash is about and could probably tell you.
 
It sounds....a bit worse than that.

You're right. Let's run through it.

McCabe and Rosenstein went through the motions on this investigation, but do we have proof that they brought this investigation up to either Obama or the chair of the committee that Clinton sat on? Clinton was not the chair, for instance, and the vote to go ahead was a unanimous one.

So we're looking at 16 Departments, including the State Department, Homeland Security, Department of Defense, and all voting members voted in favor of this uranium recovery and shipment company selling a fifth of said company to Russia.

They got emails, financial records, and recordings, SOME of which date back to 2009, but the deal was put into play in 2010, and the investigation lasted "close to four years," or rather, less than four years.

So in November of 2014, someone was indicted. Less than four years prior to that, at the end of 2010 at the earliest, the investigation began. AFTER the deal had been finalized. They served the indictment instead of sweeping it under the rug.

It's fucking nothing.

Look it up yourselves or allow me to provide the references with a savvy edit in a few minutes.

From the article itself,
A November 2014 indictment states that Vadim Mikerin, a director of Rosatom's Tenex, ”did knowingly and willfully combine, conspire confederate and agree with other persons ... to obstruct, delay and affect commerce and the movement of an article and commodity (enriched uranium) in commerce by extortion" from 2009 to January 2012.

The Department of Justice investigated the Russian plot for close to four years,

But the Obama administration insisted no evidence existed of Russian interference and that there were no national security concerns for committee members to go against the deal in 2010.

From factcheck.org,

Jose Fernandez, a former assistant secretary of state, represented the department on the committee. He told the Times: ”Mrs. Clinton never intervened with me on any C.F.I.U.S. matter."
 

Chumly

Member
This is a pretty old story, we already knew that Russian nuclear industry execs were giving money to the Clinton Foundation and Hillary addressed that concern during the campaign. Basically she was not personally involved in the State Department's decision, plus 6 other US agencies had the approve the deal. The extortion and bribery charges seem completely unrelated to the decisions made by the Obama administration. Also, LEU is hardly a major "national security" issue. Hell, US nuclear energy in general is a dying industry.
Yea I’m not buying the right wing propaganda on this. Their trying to tell us that they had bought off Hillary after what they did in the 2016 election? Bull fucking shit.
 
Sean was right! Crooked Hillary and Uranium!

Well, I do not think he deserves any credit. There has been a lot of reporting on some shady business dealings regarding the Clinton Foundation. Just search for: site:washingtonpost.com "clinton foundation" and you can see how long the WP has been reported about it. Not everything is corruption but some of it smells like classic quid pro quo.

So they didn’t tell Obama then?

Either way, good going everyone. What a screw up.

I do not think we know who knew what and when. Certainly nothing in any of the articles indicates that Clinton or Obama knew anything prior to authorizing the deal, or that they had anything to do with suppressing the information. So that begs the question, who was pushing for this and preventing the necessary information from reaching Obama and Clinton? The connection between donations to the Clinton Foundation and Hilary's sign off is very, very troubling. I am not saying there is a fire, but that does look like a fair amount of smoke.

And fuck Putin and the Russian government.
 

kamspy

Member
Yea I’m not buying the right wing propaganda on this. Their trying to tell us that they had bought off Hillary after what they did in the 2016 election? Bull fucking shit.

It's not uncommon at all to have money on both sides in an election. It's damn near par for the course.
 
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