Killer Queen
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Do I have to play 1 or can I skip it and play 2
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Star Wars: The Last Jedi trailer
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On the one had, I'm hoping we don't see too many echoes of Empire and Jedi here.
On the other, it's been a common speculation that Kylo kills Snoke at some point and takes over. (Pure speculation here, I'm not dabbling in leaks nor inviting it.) One setup in the trailer could be Snoke goading Kylo to kill Rey, and instead Kylo kills Snoke in an echo of Jedi. And then we're left with Rey and Kylo sitting there with a big, "...now what?" moment.
I think that by setting that up, the trailer is also all but ruling it out, given the abundance of misdirection. And that's a little too on the nose. But I still kinda want that, "Now what?" moment anyways.
On the other, it's been a common speculation that Kylo kills Snoke at some point and takes over. (Pure speculation here, I'm not dabbling in leaks nor inviting it.) One setup in the trailer could be Snoke goading Kylo to kill Rey, and instead Kylo kills Snoke in an echo of Jedi. And then we're left with Rey and Kylo sitting there with a big, "...now what?" moment.
I think that by setting that up, the trailer is also all but ruling it out, given the abundance of misdirection. And that's a little too on the nose. But I still kinda want that, "Now what?" moment anyways.
I played 2 first, and I like it way better.
Lord of Castamere
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Play the Dark path in 1, totally worth it. Still one of my highlights of gaming.
You should play 1 because it's better in almost every way, only thing 2 has going for it over the first is perhaps better writing.
KOTOR 1 has better planets, a more appealing story and characters, better moral choices and a stronger plot.
This is all being set up for Kylo. Snoke wants Rey instead. "If what you say about this girl is true.. bring her to me."
Remember what Han said in TFA? "Once he gets what he wants, he'll crush you. You know it's true."
Snoke's honeymoon is so over. Maybe Snoke tells Kylo or hints to him that he no longer needs him. Snoke will expect to kill Kylo or cast him out, but Kylo will be ready.
This will push Kylo over the edge. He'll want to prove to himself how powerful he truly is.
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The sheer levels of Kreia energy coming off of Luke in all this marketing... Its just delicious.
I love this.
And suddenly an emotionally unstable murderous asshole with a serious inferiority complex is in control of the entire First Order.
What does rule the galaxy with Rey mean?
The sheer levels of Kreia energy coming off of Luke in all this marketing... It's just delicious.
Let's be honest, there is no way in hell they will adapt the best character from the entire universe.
I actually like the idea of Kylo striking down Snoke and taking over. It's exactly what Luke was talking about in the trailer then. Uncontrolled power and it would be different enough from Empire/Jedi(Trailer gave a bit too much of that vibe). Would be exactly what Luke was warning about. You can have this sort of power ruling. Maybe that's just it. Force users should not rule like the PT or OT.
I think the post is about what Kylo's motivation would be while killing Snoke. And then Rey's like, "Hell no" and Kylo goes all temper tantrum.
AntraxSuicide
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God, Kreia is the best.
KojiKnight
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KotOR 2 was too good for this world, which is why it never got completed properly. If you do play the cut content, skip the droid world. It's crap. Even if it wasn't crap, what's there now was less than scraps put back together to make it. The rest of the restored content is ace though.
Kreia is definitely the best EU character. I'd love to see a side movie get out of the modern Wars era and go back to those.
Kreia is definitely the best EU character. I'd love to see a side movie get out of the modern Wars era and go back to those.
AlexFlame116
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KOTOR 2 is amazing. It's my favorite of the KOTOR games and possibly my favorite Star Wars game of all time. Kreia actually made me think. Just the way that she explained her views and the state of the force drew me in and made me conflicted about my actions. That's darn good. Plus I liked the characters a lot. I would absolutely love it if both KOTORs become canon with no change to the characters or message.
It's too bad that TOR kind of screwed things up with KOTOR 2.
If you're going to play it, play the Restored Content mod. It fixes A LOT.
Great now I want to play the game again.
It's too bad that TOR kind of screwed things up with KOTOR 2.
If you're going to play it, play the Restored Content mod. It fixes A LOT.
Great now I want to play the game again.
Count Dookkake
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Kylo taking down Snoke is like, totally obvious, from day one.
... except, why would anybody follow this asshole?
Ideas like these are thrown around, but there's no logical way for them to work.
Uh, why wouldn't the First Order be rallying around Snoke's apprentice and a Darth Vader like figure?
Power and fear. The same way the Emperor and Snoke ruled. Only less stable. It could also be the film leans into Kylo's inability to rule and keep oder/control. There are a lot of ways to make it work.
That said, I think TLJ will be about Kylo gaining a bit more discipline, the aspect of his training he clearly needs to brush up on. I agree with Surfinn that Han's warning to Kylo will play out - Snoke is after Rey, and will crush Kylo once he gets her. There are a lot of interesting ways that could play out (one saving the other, teaming up vs. Snoke, etc.).
Is it.. really overrated though?
Lifejumper
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Wonder why they never created HD versions of the KOTOR games on console. Seems like a no brainer.
Theodoricos
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KotOR 2 is not overrated in the least. Don't listen to such disciples of the dark side.
Rather, KotOR 1 is underrated. While I absolutely love KotOR 2 for its more mature storyline, themes and its much more unique take on various concepts in the Star Wars universe, KotOR1 is the classic, OT-like Star Wars experience in video game format.
Rather, KotOR 1 is underrated. While I absolutely love KotOR 2 for its more mature storyline, themes and its much more unique take on various concepts in the Star Wars universe, KotOR1 is the classic, OT-like Star Wars experience in video game format.
Damn you guys got me thinking, and I love the direction!
Kylo kills Snoke, Hux attempts to challenge Kylo for control, as an example Kylo destroys Hux in the most cruel way possible cementing his legacy as head bad guy and most feared villain since Vader.
I could live with this
HD remastered KOTOR would be so awesome, game is so good.
Kylo kills Snoke, Hux attempts to challenge Kylo for control, as an example Kylo destroys Hux in the most cruel way possible cementing his legacy as head bad guy and most feared villain since Vader.
I could live with this
HD remastered KOTOR would be so awesome, game is so good.
The Elite
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Out-my-ass-theory time
Luke, after VI, was tempted to learn more about the dark side in order to better utilize or understand it. He befriends someone named Snoke. The two journey together and eventually find Sith/dark side teachings which frighten Luke but tempt Snoke. Luke, recognizing that Snoke is dark or turning, decides to try to hide the material from him. They fight and Luke wins, presumably killing Snoke.
Luke hides what he found and vows to never return to it again. He starts his own academy to train a new group of people to prepare for an uncertain future. Behind closed doors, Snoke, who wasn't killed, identifies a disciple of Luke's - Kylo - and convinces him to turn on Luke after revealing to Kylo that he's related to Darth Vader, something Luke told Snoke when the two bonded years before.
Kylo convinces others to join him and Snoke, they fight Luke and presumably kill him, and Luke runs off. Sometime later Rey comes into the picture and I have not thought of how to include her in this half-assed theory of mine.
Ta-da.
And Snoke is Ezra. They are BFFs and even share the same birthday.
They etch "friends forever" in the Jedi tree.
demosthenes
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This is what I want.
Voidwolf
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I just read the new run of Vader comics the other night and a thought occurred to me. What if Luke took the Barash vow? It's the only thing that could explain Luke sitting on the sidelines while all this stuff is going down around the galaxy in a (somewhat) satisfactory way. The only thing is it'd be another case of bringing in some obscure reference from external media that most casual movie goers won't know about. And having them introduce it in the movie and explain it wouldn't come off well.
Yeah I'd love to see that, but I don't think they should go as far as crushing someone into a ball, it'd be too graphic. Maybe just lift them up in the air and make it apparent that they're bones are being crushed inside of them and toss the victim aside. Man, just thinking of a slightly longer scene similar to Rogue One's Vader scene where Kylo shows the audience he means business now would be awesome!
WadiumArcadium
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I've seen a few people suggest that. Though I don't think it's the case, Soule's Vader was written after The Last Jedi's screenplay was finished, so the concept would have come from the film instead of the other way around.
God damnit I don't have time to play through Kotor again
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Theodoricos
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The most beautiful (and haunting) theme of the series by far. Fucking love it.
PeskyToaster
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It will be cool if Kylo kills Snoke for all the wrong reasons. Vader kills the Emperor as an act of redemption to save his son while Kylo kills Snoke to take power
God damnit I don't have time to play through Kotor again
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That's exactly what killing Han was (in terms of being the inverse of what happened in ROTJ).
I think killing Snoke is just further solidifying his destiny
He's going to be all about confusion/hatred/ego moving forward, I think. He will die with that little bit of light still inside of him.
Ive been speculating since TFA that I think Kylo is going to murder Snoke and assume command of The First Order. Even General Hux would be terrified of Kylo Ren if he murdered his boss.
I think expectations are being toyed with and flipped on their ear going forward with this trilogy. I dont subscribe to the TFA = ANH crowd, but its obvious to me that the parallels between the OT and this Sequel Trilogy are deliberately set up to subvert those expectations for the two sequels.
Kylo killing Snoke at the end of The Last Jedi would be something I dont think many people would see coming. He has a huge inferiority complex. No one takes him seriously, and Snoke is clearly using him. He knows what Han said was true, and he probably reasons that killing the big bad force user before he has a chance to dispose of him is a good plan.
I dont even think Rey has to fit into this plan. She embarrassed him by overpowering him at the end of TFA. I think hell continue to hate her and want to destroy her. Shes an obvious reminder of his falling out of favor with Snoke. Why would he want to pal around the Galaxy with her?
I think expectations are being toyed with and flipped on their ear going forward with this trilogy. I dont subscribe to the TFA = ANH crowd, but its obvious to me that the parallels between the OT and this Sequel Trilogy are deliberately set up to subvert those expectations for the two sequels.
Kylo killing Snoke at the end of The Last Jedi would be something I dont think many people would see coming. He has a huge inferiority complex. No one takes him seriously, and Snoke is clearly using him. He knows what Han said was true, and he probably reasons that killing the big bad force user before he has a chance to dispose of him is a good plan.
I dont even think Rey has to fit into this plan. She embarrassed him by overpowering him at the end of TFA. I think hell continue to hate her and want to destroy her. Shes an obvious reminder of his falling out of favor with Snoke. Why would he want to pal around the Galaxy with her?
demosthenes
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If Kylo kills Snoke, would he blame it on Rey to galvanize the FO or would he claim responsibility to strike fear into the FO?
This is 100% true!
Kaneda Shotaro
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My assumption for the story: Luke dies naturally in this story, like Yoda. No need to kill everyone. This might be in 9.
No need to kill Kylo either, build him up like Anakin. I now fully believe he will kill Snoke, probably in 8, to become more evil, twisted and confused and he doesn't die in 9. Instead, becomes the leader of the First Order. In the eventual Episode X, he's now completely front and center as villain. Someone we witnessed fully turn evil. No need to kill these characters, build them up and I'm assuming that's what Kylo's role is.
Kaneda Shotaro
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I'm putting this on the new page:
My assumption for the story: Luke dies naturally in this story, like Yoda. No need to kill everyone. This might be in 9.
No need to kill Kylo either, build him up like Anakin. I now fully believe he will kill Snoke, probably in 8, to become more evil, twisted and confused and he doesn't die in 9. Instead, becomes the leader of the First Order. In the eventual Episode X, he's now completely front and center as villain. Someone we witnessed fully turn evil. No need to kill these characters, build them up and I'm assuming that's what Kylo's role is.
My assumption for the story: Luke dies naturally in this story, like Yoda. No need to kill everyone. This might be in 9.
No need to kill Kylo either, build him up like Anakin. I now fully believe he will kill Snoke, probably in 8, to become more evil, twisted and confused and he doesn't die in 9. Instead, becomes the leader of the First Order. In the eventual Episode X, he's now completely front and center as villain. Someone we witnessed fully turn evil. No need to kill these characters, build them up and I'm assuming that's what Kylo's role is.
Kaneda Shotaro
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Without Snoke? He'd just kill him and replace him with someone completely compliant.
Could go a few ways though (phasma book spoilers)
phasma used huxs hatred of his dad to convince him into killing the elder hux for her, bc she had personal beef. She has zero allegiance to anyone outside herself, and her warriors are mainly loyal to her specifically. Huxs dad had a hand in founding the first order, but hux seems fucked
Phasma could possibly just walk away though, if there was a power struggle shed have a legit chunk of the first order to herself. Idk what her relationship is with ren, though. If she decides shes force sensitive shes trash hux herself to go team Kylo and annihilate that dude the minute she gets the chance. Also she could decide snoke is an old fuck and shoot him out the air lock.
Unless Im wrong, Kylo doesnt have the experience needed to be a full Vader. He was never an actual military commander and he just went to jedi school before going full Marty McFly with snoke.
Kylo probably couldnt effectively coordinate the first orders forces tbh. Not without the barbarian queen phasma or imperial prep school hux. Itd be weird as shit to suddenly just have Kylo in charge. Idk how cool Phasma or Hux would be with it tbh. Phasma, to the soldiers of the first order, is the poster boy of the organization. Not Kylo. Idk who the military would back in a coup.
Phasma could possibly just walk away though, if there was a power struggle shed have a legit chunk of the first order to herself. Idk what her relationship is with ren, though. If she decides shes force sensitive shes trash hux herself to go team Kylo and annihilate that dude the minute she gets the chance. Also she could decide snoke is an old fuck and shoot him out the air lock.
Unless Im wrong, Kylo doesnt have the experience needed to be a full Vader. He was never an actual military commander and he just went to jedi school before going full Marty McFly with snoke.
Kylo probably couldnt effectively coordinate the first orders forces tbh. Not without the barbarian queen phasma or imperial prep school hux. Itd be weird as shit to suddenly just have Kylo in charge. Idk how cool Phasma or Hux would be with it tbh. Phasma, to the soldiers of the first order, is the poster boy of the organization. Not Kylo. Idk who the military would back in a coup.
Id love to see Snoke die in the TLJ so we can see how the rest of the first order would deal with the power vacuum
Edit: no leaks in here please, gang. Id like to keep discussing Star Wars with yall, and Im trying to stay in the dark
Kaneda Shotaro
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Thor definitely will, 100% sure of that