redfox088
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Thats a whole different conversation my guy
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Black Panther - Official Trailer
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Pai Pai Master
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Zemo didn't even have powers and was never capable of fighting any of the avengers. Vulture is obviously nothing like Spider-Man. Loki and Malekith are nothing like Thor. Iron Man's last solo movie had him fighting a guy who could melt his armor and breathe fire. The Guardians fought a goddamn living planet.
I'll never get people who act like that bullshit complaint is the norm. And it absolutely makes sense here where the primary conflict is two men vying for the throne and mantle of Black Panther.
It's Bleepey, he has to make at least one bullshit Marvel complain post a day or his heart will explode.
Galactic Specter
Member
Can't wait for this, I hope Ryan Coogler makes this movie his own.
I'm more surprised that this is a complaint at all. Doppelgangers/foils/evil versions of heroes are one of my favorite narrative tropes. It's cool to see people who walk a similar path but somehow diverged end up enemies. Often it's a cool way to manifest a protagonist's personal demons into something physical. It can also be tactically cool to see opponents working with a similar skillset try to out do each other.
It can be done poorly, of course, like any narrative trope, but I always see it as good raw material.
Who was the Enchantress an evil version of?
Don't feel bad, I forget Suicide Squad exists most of the time too.
Can't say I disagree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGaRtqrlGy8
This version (the original original version) is much better IMO, the poem just works so much better as a spoken word piece.
Ares was an evil version of Wonder Woman?
Especially for Black Partner I like the idea of him facing a doppelganger, as it seems like the movie is going to emphasize how much the Black Panther suit enables him to do. A fight between individuals who are equally equipped allows the focus to be on how T'Challa himself is superior to his foes.
clay_ghost
Member
? GOD VS God?
If you think it's different then Thor and Loki is more different
Suddenly remember that WW also have a midboss before the final boss like Thor 1.
BKatastrophe
Member
Well LOOK. AT. YOU.
See if I ever give YOU information again.
Inhumans, if were specifically talking about Attilan. Though they dont deal in mysticism like Wakanda does. So in a way, Wakandas more advanced, due purely to its ability to blend mysticism and science, whereas Inhumans can do some crazy shit scientifically, but has zero mysticism.
Wasnt it more of a surprise attack though? I mean, thosell getchaSee that is why I like you. Eternals are gold.
Edge a bit to Inhumans
Wakanda went to war with Atlantis
It didn't last long
Hey now
Ronan really shaped up
Suicide Squad just cut out the middle man and had the bad guy be from the team of heroes in the first place.
Still can't believe that was the villain, god that movie sucked lmao
Genuine question: did the rest of the squad even know? I don't think they all met before they were sent out on their first mission, and their first mission was the enchantress.
I wonder if they ever got debriefed and some soldier was like "congrats on taking down your former comrade" and they just looked at the each other wondering who the fuck he was talking about
It was the twist or really a revelation to them
Even though it makes no difference to them
You can make androids with it too
redfox088
Banned
Yea this version is best
Didn't Wakanda get flooded later on or I reversed the sequence of events?
To be fair that was when Namor had Phoenix powers
Like superman.
Glass Rebel
Member
Only posted in the MCU thread (join us!) but this trailer was amazing.
One scene I loved that hasn't been talked about much is the one in the savannah with the Panther chilling in the trees because of the implication of what they might have in store for the character. I love BP kicking ass but the thought of them going full King of the Dead and talking to the spirits of his ancestors...
whew lad
One scene I loved that hasn't been talked about much is the one in the savannah with the Panther chilling in the trees because of the implication of what they might have in store for the character. I love BP kicking ass but the thought of them going full King of the Dead and talking to the spirits of his ancestors...
whew lad
PixelatedBookake
Junior Member
Wait that's what this conflict is about? And Micheal B. Jordan's character and everything? Oooh this is gonna be good!
Kurt Angle
Member
my girl brie larson is gonna kill it, dont worry
Glass Rebel
Member
In the comics Killmonger's family was exiled to the US because his father was forced by Klaw to work for him. Killmonger ended up getting and US education and went back to Wakanda to take revenge.
I assume his relationship to Klaw is slightly different in this one though.
BVS has Lex Luthor and Batman. Doomsday was hardly the primary antagonsit
Suicide Squad had Enchantress...??
What are you talking about???
Doppelgangers:
Iron Man 1 Evil Iron Man
Iron Man 2 Evil Tony Stark
Iron Man 3 Evil Tony Stark with Powers
Dr Strange: Evil Dr Strange with sequel set up for Evil Dr Strange
Hulk: Evil Hulk
Ant Man: Evil Ant Man
Cap 1: Evil Super Soldier defect
Cap 2 Evil Cap
Thor: Evil Thor
Black Panther: Evil Black Panther
GOTG2: Evil StarLord
Not Doppelgangers
Avengers
Avengers 2
Civil War
Thor 2 EViler Loki and Loki??
Thor 3 I dunno
GOTG
Most of these are team up movies
Most of these are team up movies
The MCU has been known to kind of avoid the hard topics at all costs. I would be highly surprised if the concept of racism even comes up in Black Panther.
Uh, what?
Loki is literally the flip side of Thor. The first Thor posits Loki is a better politician, Thor's a better fighter - if they each had what the other had, they'd make a perfect King. Loki wants it too much, Thor doesn't want it.
The reason they keep going back to Loki in Thor films is because it's always a great contrast. The sorcerer and the God, the politician and the hero, the King and the traveller.
Is it a surprise attack when BP tells Namor every time they are in the same room "I am going to fuck you and yours up". Namor is just a piss poor ruler that didn't protect his people from the mess he made.
Namor flooded it when he had phoenix force
MugiwaraCole
Member
Yeah, I mashed ignore after that last post. "You see how mermaids are more believable than a technologically advanced African country?" Boy.
The same people complaining about doppelgängers in comic book movies are shitting themselves over every morsel of news that releases about Sony's ill-conceived Venom movie. And Venom's one of the worst characters of this mold in comics. I don't get it.
I think he argument is that they're too similar to the hero, but that seems to be villain design 101. Usually you give the villains powers that can make them equivalent to the hero. They don't have to have the same ones, just ones that make for a good fight. Most Spider Man enemies either compare to his strength or mobilit in one way or another, with a few exceptions like Mysterio and Sandman.
Did BP kill any atlantean or only military? I feel attacking civilians is a bad look, even if atlanteans seem to be dicks.
BKatastrophe
Member
The point is the doppelganger aspect. Loki doesnt have the same power set and/or fighting capability as Thor. They are contrasts and gods, but thats it. In fact, they arent even similar in heritage. Same with Malekith, though hes far less of a personality than Loki.
On that note, Obadiah Stane isnt really evil Iron Man. In fact, if all evil geniuses and/or tech-users are evil Tony Stark, then were never getting anything else for him.
The way I see it, and evil doppelganger is a character who is more than just a power set in a final battle. Like, this is the same character, only X happened instead of Y. Stane just having a power suit for one fight doesnt really make him and evil doppelganger in my eyes. Really, the only true evil doppelgangers in the MCU have been Davos, Anton Vankov a.k.a. Whiplash, Red Skull, and Kaecilius (who the Ancient One says took the exact same path as Strange, only he turned evil when he found the Ancient Ones secret). Maybe Yellowjacket.
You really don't know the definition of doppleganger.
Wakanda always brings a Nuke to a knife fight
Pai Pai Master
Banned
You're not saying anything I disagree with. Loki is a good foil to Thor. He's not just an evil version of Thor, doesn't have similar powers and doesn't have a similar costume. Certain people keep saying they're sick of MCU heroes fighting "mirror" versions of themselves in the way that Killmonger makes his own Panther costume, and that's only partially true in a small handful of MCU movies.
Well, it was Namor's fault in the end. He only did it because he was a horndog and thought it would make Emma Frost sleep with him. Probably did a lot of damage outside Wakanda bringing all that water in.
Stallion Dan
Member
Not what I did. I asked no questions, just made a statement that I don't believe it could stay hidden with good reasons to back it up.
And that bothers people like you to the point you now lie. Pathetic.
Vermillion
Banned
Tbf, I hoped they would adapt the comic fight where they battled entirely without suits.
Maybe we'll still get it. Canon AND fits the whole "we need to show his face" thing.
Infinite Justice
Member
+1 on that possible Thread title.
Indeed.
The playing field is basically leveled with such a move so it will be about wits/belief i feel, providing they do it right.
Indeed.
The playing field is basically leveled with such a move so it will be about wits/belief i feel, providing they do it right.
he flooded new york in his past. if he had naturally flooding powers, a lot of places would be flooded
OG Shaka Zulu
Member
Has Chicago or FBI crime stats been brought up in this thread yet?
Yeah but I mean he had am edge against Wakanda by having the power of a space fire bird god
itwasTuesday
He wasn't alone.
Cool tidbit from the artist of the Black Panther comic run with Coates.
Thought those genuinely interested in the lore and technology of Black Panther might appreciate it.
I knew Kevin Bacon was made of vibranium
Cool tidbit from the artist of the Black Panther comic run with Coates.
Thought those genuinely interested in the lore and technology of Black Panther might appreciate it.
That's pretty awesome.
It also explains some of the wonky physics of cap's shield. It makes no sense for it to bounce if vibranium just absorbs all energy. But if it also expends it, then that must be what keeps it kinetic when Cap wants it to. I still wonder how Cap controls it with such precision or how the shield knows when to expend the energy and when to just absorb it, but you can only do so much with that I guess.
Vermillion
Banned
Cool tidbit from the artist of the Black Panther comic run with Coates.
Thought those genuinely interested in the lore and technology of Black Panther might appreciate it.
Yet, the country survived just fine with the connections to Vibranium removed post-Doomwar.
And pretty much all of their tech works outside of the country.
I don't like these retcons/the story by Coates & Stelfreeze. :/
QuantumZebra
Member
Cool tidbit from the artist of the Black Panther comic run with Coates.
Thought those genuinely interested in the lore and technology of Black Panther might appreciate it.
That was a story arc in Captain America in the 90s. Cap shield has a flaw(literally one molecule was off) that was going to spread to all the vibranium in the world and cause it to release all it's energy at once
