Clockwork
Member
That isn't really happening though.
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Moderators: the new ban on social and political discourse
- Thread starter GarthVaderUK
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That isn't really happening though.
Phoenix RISING
Banned
If the game addresses the topic, I would imagine the topic to be fair...game.
He has been caught supporting GamerGate since admitting he was wrong.
He did it to try and save face.
Shifty1897
Member
Primethius
Banned
Actually it pretty much is. The removal of off topic is indicator enough. Now it's a "take politics out of my gaming" nonsense.
NHarmonic.
Member
lol, fuck off with the "controversial opinions" bullshit. I can already smell them, probably prejudiced, hateful shit.
Come on, give me some examples.
pr0cs
Member
Please add the endless climate change bullshit to the list
Otherwise these changes sound perfect, I don't come here for armchair analysis of the current affairs. I come here to be entertained and to learn about other things to entertain myself with. The movie and tv show threads were awesome.
You want to spew your political agendas go elsewhere please
nelsonroyale
Member
Overall this seems like a bad idea and a knee jerk response to a crisis in internal organisation. I can understand suspending the OT for a few days while things calm down, but I don't really agree with that either. Neogaf is a community, and as such bigger than the person who provides the platform for its existence. That is a very small, although welcome contribution to the creation of the gaming community.
OrangeJulius
Member
Maybe some are hateful or prejudiced. Let a fair and balanced mod team deal with them if someone crosses the line. The previous one was not either fair or balanced. What prevents you from arguing logically against people with so called hateful and prejudiced opinions?
If you argument is sound I see no reason why you yourself can't defend your view point without needing mod enforcers squashing anyone who makes arguments from the other side.
Yeah, this is dangerous shit. GAF fought hard to keep Gamergate and similar trash out of the forum, but Evilore has always been cynical and dismissive of social justice, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he took this opportunity to make GAF great again, so to speak.
CrimzonSamurai
Member
People shouldn't be forcefully subjected to racism and bigotry against them for the sake of offering logical rebuttal.
FlammableD
Banned
I'm glad that the DOA community can discuss their underage/rape bikini sims in peace without those darn SJWs
I'm sure Evilore will fit in there, I hear you can shower the women
I'm sure Evilore will fit in there, I hear you can shower the women
Two Pikachus
Member
Sometimes I just want to talk about video games without getting into a political debate. I just wanna talk about speedrunning powerstars and what's under Toad's hat (is it a hat?) without having to read a whole bunch of hand-wringing. I think having a "politics in gaming" subforum would be great. I don't think it's too much to ask.
From: a leftist who gets into way too much political talk on Facebook (my mistake) and has been accused of being an SJW boogeyman by the alt-righters that can't handle being called out for their shitty opinions
I don't want to hear about other people's suffering, in threads I am never forced to read.
OrangeJulius
Member
Well, you don't own GAF, you just rented it for a few years. You don't have say over what can and can't be discussed here. Nor do I for that matter. If you don't like opinions being discussed then prove them wrong. Or just leave. That's what I did.
I hope the ResetEra thing works out. Everyone who thinks like you can go to their new echo chamber hug box and felate themselves for dopamine hits. Leave the sane people here. Maybe many of the old members who left over the past few years can come back and we can talk about things again without having to ask the GAF secret police if it's ok first.
Flintty
Member
And there it is. You take an opinion, assume the worst and put the poster in the alt right pile, just because their opinion differs from yours. If you cant see that this was a problem before then perhaps you will be better served at the other site.
Things should, have and will change but changing the gender of protagonists of games from my childhood is not the answer. By all means make a spin-off, that would be cool. A Linkle adventure would be awesome. There is nothing right wing about that statement.
https://twitter.com/NeoGAF/status/870506309052899330
Yeah guys, go "spew" about the basic human rights of gay and trans people somewhere else!
pr0cs
Member
If I have to read the title you've already wasted my time
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
GamerGate threads are game related and should reside. Most game related communities are openly against GamerGater, because these people are simply hateful, pathetic nerds and the community should go up against them. Any decent person is against GamerGate anyway.
As the other political themes. Never would have discusses these things on a game related forum anyway, there are more appropriate places for this.
CrimzonSamurai
Member
You really like showing off that you know that there's a neurotransmitter called dopamine don't you?
OrangeJulius
Member
Identity politics is the order of the day among progressives is it not?
If you focus solely on your identity and yours alone in your daily life, you can't be upset if others decide to focus on your identity too.
I agree, racism and bigotry is bad. I've always said live and let live. But you can't have your cake and eat it too in this world.
Says a person reading a forum that is nothing but wasting time.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
Many people believe disagreeing is hate speech because their way is the only way. The term has no meaning anymore.
Link
The Autumn Wind
Thank you! People saying we should essentially hide Trump threads are obviously the ones not affected by his terrible policies and opinions, and dont want to hear about it either. Similar to the Stick to sports! bs I see in regards to NFL players kneeling or whenever else an athlete has an opinion.
That kind of attitude is exactly what got us Trump in the first place. So sorry that your likely straight white male existence is being made slightly uncomfortable by real people with real problems. If you want to pretend a problem only exists because people have the nerve to speak up about it, thats naive at best and disingenuous at worst.
Id rather talk about it, but thats just me.
neurosisxeno
Member
Why not remove thread titles entirely then? Just switch to a number system and hope for the best with each click.
I want in on that too. Can Anyone send me a link?
NHarmonic.
Member
You're basically advocating for GAF to be a youtube comment thing. Why should people be exposed to your hate and bigotry? Why do you feel entitled to express it? We shouldn't "logically" discuss your bullshit ""opinions"" when they are nothing more than hate under the disguise of free speech and "all opinions are valid". You have a lot of other outlets for that.
And i can already imagine the arguments, probably "Gays aren't natural", "Race superiority" etc. Shit everyone knows is stupid and baseless but people keep feeling the need to spill it and make others feel miserable.
If people like you are the future of GAF then this is really fucked.
dealer-
Member
It's locked down at the moment I think.
We just don't want you to be racist, sexist, transphobic, etc. It's difficult, but it's not some grand conspiracy.
I really enjoy GAF, and have been a member for a long time.
All I want to say is that one person's actions do not define an entire community. People make poor choices, some grow up and learn from their poor choices, and some don't or won't.
In any case, if GAF does end, I wish the best to all the people who were ever friendly to me, or were willing to engage in some form of communication.
If GAF ends, despite all our flaws, I will miss you.
Take care GAF,
Damian
All I want to say is that one person's actions do not define an entire community. People make poor choices, some grow up and learn from their poor choices, and some don't or won't.
In any case, if GAF does end, I wish the best to all the people who were ever friendly to me, or were willing to engage in some form of communication.
If GAF ends, despite all our flaws, I will miss you.
Take care GAF,
Damian
I'm new be nice
Member
I'm gay.
I suck cock. It goes in my butt.
I have no fear saying that here.
I feel pretty safe.
OrangeJulius
Member
I don't feel entitled to express anything. I'm just a guest in someone else's house. If I make bad faith arguments, troll posts, calling names for hurts sake, etc. Then I deserve to cop a ban. Otherwise all I'm saying is discuss. If you don't like that stance, you are free to leave just as I left GAF when it became a circle jerk for progressives who feel entitled to a safe space on someone else's property.
You don't like it. Allow me to show you the door. Or by all means, stay and let's talk.
Clockwork
Member
Or you could just ignore content you don't want to read just like you ignore game threads you don't care about.
I learned a lot about current affairs in OT. I became more liberal from learning in the OT.
Elfotografoalocado
Banned
I love how threads on the subject keep getting erased. I'm picturing Evilore, a mad king in his lone palace, deleting the threads like a game of totalitarian Whack a Mole.
This is a sad day. Gamergate and kneejerk rightwing dudes took GAF. But Reset Era is on its way. I'm sure that, unlike this ZombieGaf, (Credit to my GF on that one) it won't have a population of a 90% of white dudes and will welcome the diversity and topics that made GAF great.
I'm new be nice
Member
CheersYou do you. Nothing wrong with that.
GrizzleBoy
Banned
EDIT:Holy crap this was a Long poat
This.
Also, people need to stop with this freaking "everyone gets banned cause I don't like gafs politics" absolute bollocks.
Just LAST WEEK I was having a discussion with someone in the Brexit thread who had a history of saying things like "muslims are taking over London that's why the London Mayor is now muslim" or "when do we just accept that Islam is not compatible with western culture and start to ban them from our country", and also complained about the amount of children of immigrants are in his kids classrooms.
I mean, maybe Im wrong, but has islamophobia ever been part of "gafs politics"? Cause that guy wasnt banned......and he said that stuff over a good period of time?
There was also some Canadian guy I remember seeing, saying he was a Trump supporter because he felt he was turned down a job or school.placememt or something because a brown person applied and they got it instead of him. He wasn't banned.
Then there was "patrol", a so called real life cop who would go into every single thread about police brutality and no matter the amount of video evidence, show no empathy and try to justify every senseless killing that he could. He did this for yeeeeeeeeaars before he was banned.
People DO get piled on for making certain statements or giving certain views, but the problem I see is that they rarely ever are able to substantiate them.
Like the guy from the Brexit thread. Who tried to make out that he only had economic issues (that were flimsy and that he barely cared to defend) with migration and felt outraged when someone suggested he had other reasons he was hiding. Till he was reminded of his islamophobic anti immigration posts. Then came the radio silence.
This is the real problem. People aren't afraid of bans. They just "feel"like they can't say what they want
If they feel they can win, or make an amazing point like "school demographics show that the only reason Londoners would ever vote in a muslim London Mayor is because they're overrun with muslims, numbers don't lie!", they'll talk.
Until they cant explain their reasoning. And then go quiet.
So in this new environment now, that islamophobe above would have gotten his anti Islam rhetoric from his own "echo chamber" that told him "only muslims would vote for a muslim", and not have the discussion with us to quote him the numbers or maybe just put the spark into his mind that maybe the mayor is muslim, because the Muslim candidate was the best candidate.
And last but not least, people didn't want to hear te extremely uncomfortable truths about their populations.
If we're going to stop having political discourse because people felt we were tooooo pro minority rights and toooo intolerant of bigotry then that's a truly sad day.
And if we were so literally famous for it, it's sends an extremely bad message to a whole lot of people that due to pressure from people who don't like our intolerance of intolerance, we've decided to silence that message so that those poor people who want to be intolerant can feel more comfortable knowing they won't have to see us espousing views that the KKK and misogyny are very bad things.
It just sounds a lot like "we need to stop the identity politics now and focus on the 'majority' " type things we heard after Trump won his election.
And this has just popped into my head .....
Why is there even a link between the owners recent trouble with accusations and now suddenly wanting to permenantly kill all political and social discourse?
Those are two seperate issues.
I guess if he never wanted GAF to become this beacon in a sea of crap that shines bright enough to be as hated as it is, and all the political drama that comes with it, then I can understand. Maybe being the face of GAF means personally taking on the insults of cuck/libtard/male feminazi/etc
I just can't get with the idea of killing our naturally left leaning political discourse, to make it "fair" for people who disagreed with it.
People who complained they couldn't voice their opinions, will only be happy that we now can't if they just didn't like to hear ours in the first place.
They shouldn't be celebrating the death of political threads. They should be asking for that ability to say what they really want to say without fear.
Anyone now happy we can't talk about social issues AT ALL, NEVER wanted a "fairer" system for them. They just hated seeing us standing up for what we believed in.
Which means that all they really wanted to say, was "STFU with your SJW SHIT".
And that's an extremely shitty reason to kill the discourse.
/rantings
EDIT2:
Prime examples of my bolded lines.
People who never needed to open a single thread about social or political views, not wanting a "fair hearing", just not wanting to hear anything at all.
Its not about wanting balancing views, it's about silencing them.
Clockwork
Member
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Deleted member 325805
Unconfirmed Member
Human decency a political agenda. They don't even want to see a thread title that may call their world view into question.
NHarmonic.
Member
This hasn't happened, unless you automatically see a little pushback and assume the worst/label everyone/melt down, in which case you won't really be missed.
KratosEnergyDrink
Member
Dumb people that write such things as "Gays aren't natural", "Race superiority" are surely still banned in future on neogaf (if there is any) as in any halfway decent internet community.
Who would even dumb enough to write things as "Gays aren't natural"? Because nature proves that gays are natural in all mammalian animals (and most other animal species like fishes or birds) and had been natural for the whole of humanties existence.
It's a bit of hyperbole but they without question popping their heads out this morning.
OrangeJulius, for example, was trying to dance around the idea that bigotry is an opinion that should be tolerated and "discussed."
Mammoth Jones
Member
And apparently calling that out is "dog piling" and toxic.
pr0cs
Member
Or how about just deny those type of posts. You want a political discourse forum, go elsewhere
There was a thread earlier titled something like "who's your favorite black protag." A member with +10k posts replied with a Donkey Kong picture.
That's the kind of person who feels emboldened today.
Let them pop up so they can be banned. It's no different than it was before. People are just taking advantage of the chaos.