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[Majukun]

It's a shame... i kinda liked the old OT that somehow served as my international news network. Stuff would get posted there faster than on Google News!

Sure, there was a lot of Trump threads, but what do you expect with this guy as president anyway.

well OT is gonna open again in the following days, it's only directly political threads that seem to have been banned..so no 4 topics a day about how stupid/ bad trump is

also probably no more threads about a dumb/drunk guy making something dumb/racist..never understood why is that even news.

 

[Flintty]

No one's forced to enter the off-topic forum.

The trouble was, that mentality frequently spilled into game related threads. E.g. “OMG Nintendo still making Peach a damsel in distress *outrage*”. Whilst talking about equal representation in games is something I welcome, people got too political trying to force change on some of the classics. We are in a better place with equality, yes there is still more that can be done, but for goodness sake, get a grip. Another good example is the complaints about Zelda crying and being ‘weak’ in the BotW trailer. Knee jerk reactions to something silly when the full story hadn’t been told. Sounds familiar.

Conversely, if a thread popped up celebrating a female lead in a new big franchise, fantastic!

 

[TumblingHippo]

The trouble was, that mentality frequently spilled into game related threads. E.g. “OMG Nintendo still making Peach a damsel in distress *outrage*”. Whilst talking about equal representation in games is something I welcome, people got too political trying to force change on some of the classics. We are in a better place with equality, yes there is still more that can be done, but for goodness sake, get a grip.

Conversely, if a thread popped up celebrating a female lead in a new big franchise, fantastic!

And this post is why the future of NeoGaf will suck.

 

[Flintty]

And this post is why the future of NeoGaf will suck.

Feel free to elaborate. I don’t think what I typed was unfair or controversial.

 

[nkarafo]

And this post is why the future of NeoGaf will suck.

Why though? I don't see anything wrong in that post.

 

[HStallion]

The trouble was, that mentality frequently spilled into game related threads. E.g. ”OMG Nintendo still making Peach a damsel in distress *outrage*". Whilst talking about equal representation in games is something I welcome, people got too political trying to force change on some of the classics. We are in a better place with equality, yes there is still more that can be done, but for goodness sake, get a grip. Another good example is the complaints about Zelda crying and being ‘weak' in the BotW trailer. Knee jerk reactions to something silly when the full story hadn't been told. Sounds familiar.

Conversely, if a thread popped up celebrating a female lead in a new big franchise, fantastic!

Yeah because Anita Sarkeesian threads weren't full of the same stupid ugly comments being repeated over and over and over again.

 

[cromofo]

PoliGAF better be gone for good. The cesspit of this site.

 

[DogDude]

Are we still able to call anyone and everyone a nazi for 25 pages at a time?

 

[Elfotografoalocado]

well OT is gonna open again in the following days, it's only directly political threads that seem to have been banned..so no 4 topics a day about how stupid/ bad trump is

also probably no more threads about a dumb/drunk guy making something dumb/racist..never understood why is that even news.

It's people talking stuff in the line between tragic and funny, and it made GAF great.

 

[Chibot]

That was what separated gaf from other sites. It wasn't just a gaming focused site and that's what elevated it to a different standard. If I never discovered GAF I'd think gamers were in general just all a bunch of childish morons.

This is why I created an account here in the first place. NeoGAF has proven to be the only gaming forum with consistently interesting, non-juvenile, and often intelligent discussion. Nearly every other board I've been a part of over the years has at some point devolved into a loathesome, childish environment. This place has been an escape from that.

 

[robochimp]

And this post is why the future of NeoGaf will suck.

Exactly, in those same discusions there were people not talking about those things. People bring a point of view if they're worth talking about a discussion happens and then that discussion ends.

How is the site going to separate the newsworthyness of Donald Trump's presidency from politics?

 

[Black_Red]

lmfao if he just was at all apologetic about his screw up instead of pushing the blame onto the girl then this place could have easily survived.

For the sane people left here, keep an eye out the ResetEra site; a new gaf created from some of the old mods. It should be going up this week.

The problem with resetera, is that i'm pretty sure it Will be a circlejerk of GGers celebrating the death of GAF =/

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

The problem with resetera, is that i'm pretty sure it Will be a circlejerk of GGers celebrating the death of GAF =/

Why?

 

[Black_Red]

Why?

Just look at the the reactions in twitter and Reddit to this whole mess.

 

[JacksUsername]

This is basically just rolling out a red carpet for GamerGate fans and other assholes to join the community. The community at large had pride in trying to be better than that, but I guess that standard doesn't mean anything more as it's easier to ignore real problems in the world (that are also reflected in the game industry) for self-convenience.

 

[Seiniyta]

The problem with resetera, is that i'm pretty sure it Will be a circlejerk of GGers celebrating the death of GAF =/

It won't. When it opens it'll work on a invite basis first so the foundation of the forum is at least (mostly decent) folks that were on GAF before. Only then regular registration will be added.

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

Just look at the the reactions in twitter and Reddit to this whole mess.

those are just people trying to co-opt the name before it even exists, it's not representative of the people working on the site or its goals, if anything the GGers are staying here.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Sounds great to me,

No LGBTQ rights threads sounds "great" to you?

Interesting.

it always felt like you were one differing opinion away from a ban.

If you were worried about your opinion getting you a ban, your "opinion" was likely bad.

No one ever got banned for having a different political or social opinion. Ever.

They got banned for ignorant and bigoted "opinions."

 

[Sapiens]

It won't. When it opens it'll work on a invite basis first so the foundation of the forum is at least (mostly decent) folks that were on GAF before. Only then regular registration will be added.

So, rigatoni era sounds doa then.

Having a baked in purity test just means you’ll really limit the user base. Might be wrong, but we’ll see.

 

[Entrecôte]

It won't. When it opens it'll work on a invite basis first so the foundation of the forum is at least (mostly decent) folks that were on GAF before. Only then regular registration will be added.

Will we be given little red books to record our dedication to the standards required? Should start searching post histories to ensure the undesirables aren’t permitted into that nirvana.

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

So, rigatoni era sounds doa then.

Having a baked in purity test just means you’ll really limit the user base. Might be wrong, but we’ll see.

there's no purity test beyond having been on Gaf for the first round of registration there

 

[Seiniyta]

So, rigatoni era sounds doa then.

Having a baked in purity test just means you'll really limit the user base. Might be wrong, but we'll see.

This is only for the beginning. For the first few days. So the forum has a stable basis to work with and to limit the possible alt-right/GG/troll influx that would otherwise happen. After things are stable it'll (I think) a similar registration process to NeoGaf, just hopefully faster then Neogaf.

there's no purity test beyond having been on Gaf for the first round of registration there

Exactly

 

[Liquid-San]

Not trying to hijack the thread, but how will Resetera work? If it works on an invite basis and will be more accepting of previous NeoGAF members, how are we expected to show proof? Just screenshot our profile?

 

[ZeoVGM]

So, rigatoni era sounds doa then.

Having a baked in purity test just means you’ll really limit the user base. Might be wrong, but we’ll see.

I believe it's just for a few days so that the forum isn't bombarded with trolls. Which makes sense.

 

[8byte]

Which is going to be an improvement upon the old NeoGAF where dissenting opinions on political subjects could easily lead to bans. Real discussions between people with absolutely different opinions was never possible because far too many mods banned everyone they disagreed with.

This isn’t true.

The truth is the people who hate the “echo chamber” weren’t and aren’t just disagreeing, they were often insulting, confrontational, and said hateful things to justify their point of view. They just lacked basic human empathy, and anonymity made them feel big enough to challenge the very social structure in which they have failed to be successful.

It’s not that they got banned for “disagreeing”. They were just assholes.

 

[ULTROS!]

To be honest, I can't relate at all if politics are inserted into gaming discussion. It doesn't happen all the time but there are times it does.

I'm slightly familiar with Trump and Hilary and all but I don't know much details about them and I don't know who's Pence and whatever, mainly it's because I'm not American and I don't really follow American Politics (because I'd rather look up about my local politics instead). It gets even more annoying when people start pushing them, like in my mind "what the hell is this about".

Just my two cents.

 

[Seiniyta]

Not trying to hijack the thread, but how will Resetera work? If it works on an invite basis and will be more accepting of previous NeoGAF members, how are we expected to show proof? Just screenshot our profile?

The sub-communities on Discord asked for verification via NeoGaf PM's. to verify it's not an imposter user.

That's why um... don't account suicide.

 

[Elfotografoalocado]

Not trying to hijack the thread, but how will Resetera work? If it works on an invite basis and will be more accepting of previous NeoGAF members, how are we expected to show proof? Just screenshot our profile?

If that's the case, better not be banned here, or take it now...

 

[TumblingHippo]

Feel free to elaborate. I don’t think what I typed was unfair or controversial.

Burying your head in the sand about social issues in games and spawned by games will make for a terrible website.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Which is going to be an improvement upon the old NeoGAF where dissenting opinions on political subjects could easily lead to bans. Real discussions between people with absolutely different opinions was never possible because far too many mods banned everyone they disagreed with.

This is a lie.

 

[Liquid-San]

The sub-communities on Discord asked for verification via NeoGaf PM's. to verify it's not an imposter user.

That's why um... don't account suicide.

If that's the case, better not be banned here, or take it now...

Lol, don't planned on getting banned any time soon. I'll see how GAF is doing in a week or so. I think the turmoil should settle a little. Right now, it's looking a little too much like Reddit in terms of organization.

Everyone else, stay safe in the meantime and try to have actual discourse about your favorite things instead of shitposting.

 

[Sapiens]

Not trying to hijack the thread, but how will Resetera work? If it works on an invite basis and will be more accepting of previous NeoGAF members, how are we expected to show proof? Just screenshot our profile?

You must post a ban request and then take a screen shot on here, then, if you are deamed worthy, the ranch flava (a yum brand additive) admins will take a moment to revel in their new found power and make you squirm. Then, if they feel you have sufficiently made a marriage proposal to purity and the correct social beliefs, you will be granted a probationary pass.

It’s pretty strict, but the 200 or 1million(depending on the statement we want to make about them) gamer gaters need to be kept out.

 

[Nephtis]

The sub-communities on Discord asked for verification via NeoGaf PM's. to verify it's not an imposter user.

That's why um... don't account suicide.

I never even knew there was a discord for GAF D:

what a time to find out lol

 

[Seiniyta]

I never even knew there was a discord for GAF D:

what a time to find out lol

It was relatively small until a few days ago. It's basically serving as a refugee camp lol.

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

None of these things are accurate btw.

I'm not sure how it will work but you sure as hell won't need to PM anyone here or get banned from here or any of that bullshit.

Probably going to be focused around community discords.

 

[Nephtis]

It was relatively small until a few days ago. It's basically serving as a refugee camp lol.

How can I get in on that? :x

 

[Cramoss]

Gonna throw my 2 pennies in....


No more Trump threads.

No more LGBTQ rights threads.

No more threads about Colin Kaepernick.

No more PoliGAF(didn't participate, just read, but those were some knowledgeable dudes. Hate to lose that over some BS)

No more GamerGate threads.

No more Black man shot and killed by cops threads.

No more dirty cop threads(See Baltimore PD recent indictments of officers)

Basically OT will now be Sports, Movies, TV and Music.

Sounds perfect to me

This is a lie.

It's mostly true

 

[PBY]

To be honest, I can't relate at all if politics are inserted into gaming discussion. It doesn't happen all the time but there are times it does.

I'm slightly familiar with Trump and Hilary and all but I don't know much details about them and I don't know who's Pence and whatever, mainly it's because I'm not American and I don't really follow American Politics (because I'd rather look up about my local politics instead). It gets even more annoying when people start pushing them, like in my mind "what the hell is this about".

Just my two cents.

There is NO way to separate the two. And if it bothers you, you just don't fucking care.

 

[LoNe_eXiLe]

There is a thread where it is being discussed to death. I wish people would go there and quit with the attention seeking burner account suicides no one believesyour faux outrage.

It's not faux outrage.

 

[Clockwork]

I'm still super pissed that people couldn't talk about The Last Night as a game without people crapping the thread with their personal politics and milkshake duck commentary.

 

[Gluka]

Why though? I don't see anything wrong in that post.

Status quo - good. Feminists discussing video games on a video game discussion board - political and bad.

I mean, he's whining over people making observations about video game trailers because they don't have enough information for Christ's sake. That only comprises about 99% of those threads.

And it's an obvious as shit conclusion to come to too. Peach and Zelda are damsels in distress??!?! WAIT A MINUTE GUYS.

 

[NHarmonic.]

The trouble was, that mentality frequently spilled into game related threads. E.g. “OMG Nintendo still making Peach a damsel in distress *outrage*”. Whilst talking about equal representation in games is something I welcome, people got too political trying to force change on some of the classics. We are in a better place with equality, yes there is still more that can be done, but for goodness sake, get a grip. Another good example is the complaints about Zelda crying and being ‘weak’ in the BotW trailer. Knee jerk reactions to something silly when the full story hadn’t been told. Sounds familiar.

Conversely, if a thread popped up celebrating a female lead in a new big franchise, fantastic!

You don't realize how much you like the status quo and detest people "rustling your feathers" about this issues. More female representation in gaming? Sure but it shouldn't touch my classics. And by that logic, then why would anything change? Let's have the same white, cis, hetero, bald, 30 something, built man in every game then. It's the same with the debate of Link's gender.

But whatever, this is exactly why the future of Gaf seems unpromising, and close to get to the same alt-right circle jerks that pollute the industry.

 

[PayForYourGas]

Never once ventured into the OT forum, glad I didn't. On to more game stuff

 

[Cramoss]

I'm still super pissed that people couldn't talk about The Last Night as a game without people crapping the thread with their personal politics and milkshake duck commentary.

Same with A Hat in Time, shit was infuriating

 

[OrangeJulius]

This is a lie.

No, It's undisputed truth. Look on places outside the old GAF echo chamber and you will see that this sites reputation has been in the toilet for years now. And it was entirely because of one sided moderation that forced members to have to tow a party line and walk on egg shells or be perma-banned.

I myself had quit posting here for that very reason. Angry dog piles that lead to no sensible discussion, only quote bombing, playing defense and an inevitable ban became the status quo for anyone with a dissenting opinion.

Calling someone a gamer-gater, a nazi, or some other baseless, discussion squelching accusation is why the internet hates GAF. And it didn't used to be like that here. It doesn't have to be like that either. The only reason I'm back posting right now is because I hold out real hope that the problems mentioned above can stop. That there will no longer be a protected class of posters of whom the rules and TOS don't apply.

If things eventually become what they were, I'll calmly bow out again, no account suicide, just walk away, that's what grown ups do.

But for now, I'm willing to give GAF a chance because it legitimately was the best place for discussing just about anything on the internet and I think it can be that again, for everyone, not just a protected group.

Part of being a functional adult is dealing with the real world, and the people in it who all won't have the same opinions as you.

 

[mckmas8808]

And this is why the ban is good, you assume because I don't want every other thread to be about those things that I must hate black, gay people etc when I don't, it was just getting ridiculous how almost every thread was about politics and social issues, filled with people posting the same replies over and over.

I have ZERO idea what's going on with this forum. I saw yesterday it was down and I'm clueless to what's happening. I'm trying to catch up, but every thread wasn't about politics and social issues.

There seems to be a turning in this country with how we view conversations relating to this. And it looks like it's ripping the country apart because we can't be reasonable in having basic conversations.

 

[Nilaul]

Not trying to hijack the thread, but how will Resetera work? If it works on an invite basis and will be more accepting of previous NeoGAF members, how are we expected to show proof? Just screenshot our profile?

I think they had access to the database of neogaf

 

[ZeoVGM]

Sounds perfect to me



It's mostly true

It's factually incorrect and not up for debate. Mods did not ban people for having a different opinion. You're wrong.

But you also just said that no threads about LGBTQ rights sounds "perfect" to you so that tells me all I need to know about the "opinions" you think people got banned for.

 

[FlammableD]

Interesting choice of things to ban, seems completely one sided and completely regressive.

I am SHOCKED

 

[Clockwork]

But whatever, this is exactly why the future of Gaf seems unpromising, and close to get to the same alt-right circle jerks that pollute the industry.

Get out of here with that. Your thinking is totally toxic. I'm really tired of this "if you don't agree with us then you are an alt-right fascist racist misogynist etc etc" bullshit that has proliferated this forum.