Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I have this set as well, you will be very pleased. Hands down the best set at that price point.
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Best budget 4K TV for PS4 Pro w/HDR?
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Cinco de Mayo
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Also get some cheap bias lighting; it will improve perceived contrast and decrease eye strain.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Just got rid of my ks8000 65” and got an LG C7 65” today due to having no end of issues with the Samsung.
So far I’m utterly loving the tv except... god damn what is this hdr game mode rubbish? Seriously? The whole screen loses its colour and goes dark... I’ve actually turned hdr off for now on all my consoles. Bad stuff.
So far I’m utterly loving the tv except... god damn what is this hdr game mode rubbish? Seriously? The whole screen loses its colour and goes dark... I’ve actually turned hdr off for now on all my consoles. Bad stuff.
Chozofication_
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Seems like the ks line from samsung wasn't too good from all these posts I see.
IIRC, you need to enable dynamic tone mapping in the menu for the new lg oled to increase the brightness and for everything to look correct in hdr really. Look at hdtv test videos on youtube about it.
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JohnnyFootball
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Basically I said this. If input lag is the absolute most important issue then this TV is better for that reason, but for every other reason the 900E is the better TV and the input lag is fine.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
What the hell am I reading?!!
HDR looks gorgeous in games. You just have to get the settings right.
Check Rtings and match the settings that they use. I own the B7A and I recommend those settings.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/b7-b7a-oled/settings
nowheretorun
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Yeah I was really really close to going with the 65KS7000 (65KS8000) @ £1150 because the brightness/nits are amazing and it was 65" but having considered your comments and the fact its been a discontinued set for a while made me think the chance of getting a good one (maybe the only ones available are returns?) would be pretty slim, so I ended up going for the 55XE900 (55X900e).
Yeah the more I looked at the MU7000 (MU8000) and started to look at the brightness/nits and not the price lol, I started to accept that it wasn't quite as bright as the XE900 (X900e) AND its blacks weren't going to be as good, so I chose the 55XE900 and bought it (£999) and set it up last night.
Thanks to all who've posted - it was a great help
Initial impressions are good and I'm pleased with what it is.
Blacks are good and the HDR is good albeit subtle and not mind blowing. Bear in mind, the TV is smaller to what I'm used to as the 65" PJ size was a very good picture already.
Having said that, the TV produces a cleaner image/better contrast on most of my 1080p games so you can definitely appreciate using a TV instead of a PJ.
Once I eventually got the Ps4 Pro to display HDR (RGB) & 4k & 60fps altogether (had to change the HDMI inputs of 2 & 3 to advanced), I got to sample games that were both 4k & HDR (including CB4K or some just with resolution boosts).
From varying degrees of quality, the images look cleaner, have more depth and the colours are much better. Different games perform different to others. The colours on HZD are really nice but on GOW are absolutely unbelievable! Shadow Of The Colossus is beautiful but it was on my PJ too!
I'd like to point out that although this is a 4K TV, I'll still play GOW and Shadow Of The Colossus in Performance Mode (@>60fps) even though they are in 4K/CB because IMO there isn't practically any difference in IQ but the frames increase is a massive difference.
BF1 looks much cleaner now. FO4 has a better 3D'ness and not as flat looking. The Nathan Drake Collection (UC2) albeit an older game with no resolution boost, now looks cleaner whereas Bloodborne for example has no noticeable improvements which is still good because its a 1080p game on a 4k screen so I'm thankful it doesn't look worse. Deadnation looks a bit sharper whereas Alienation looks a bit jaggier in places but this game was poor in resolution terms on my PJ too (tut tut Housemark). Pretty much most of the 1080p games I tested looked as good as they did before or slightly better
but I haven't touched the standard game settings at all yet so maybe this will help yield better results. I can imagine a TV with a better scaler being even more impressive
One thing I have noticed and noticed mainly on Little Nightmares, is a cloud/light bleed going all along around the 2 side edges and bottom. I was surprised at this because it isn't an edge lit TV? Maybe it has something to do with the settings because the Black level is set at the default 50 but when I turned it down to 30, this eliminated all this light bleed. However where as on this game that was ok, that woukd obviously affect all the other games I was happy with so perhaps I need to have a good look at the settings in detail.
Any impressions/info on settings from anyone would be appreciated.
No obvious clouding other than edges mentioned above or DSE so that is really pleasing.
Moving onto the TV scaling standard def stuff is where I was a little disappointed. Obviously, standard shows put onto a 4k and having to be upscaled is never going to be easy to get great results but they were a bit worse than what I had hoped (looking to put this into my Living Room in 3 years). Even full HD shows or Football in HD only looked good to ok (for example, football on Sky Now through my Ps4 looked better than what was broadcast by the BBC & ITV on the HD Channels. Again, these are only HD and not UHD and I couldn't find any UHD via BBC or ITV and I don't think iPlayer is supporting UHD on this model of TV.
Having said all that, I have bought this TV primarily for gaming so I'm not too disappointed but I'd imagine a TV with a better scaler is out there (possibly the XF900/X900F or the XE930/X930E in terms of a newer model of this XE900/X900E, as well as other brands/more expensive sets).
Not checked older consoles yet and I'm not sure how good a Switch will look on here when I look to buy one in the future (maybe need TV with better scaler?) but I'll get a good idea when I check my WiiU later on it (I'm not saying the Switch is equivalent to a WiiU or is an old console in case I am attacked by anyone!).
Also not checked out any 720p or 1080p Films yet but it will be unlikely I'll be getting any UHD Films (not an expense I think matters as much as sound quality or the actual film quality itself).
So still plenty of things to sort with this TV but my initial impressions are very good and although a £1000 is a lot of money, I'm quite pleased with my purchase - something I don't say often lol!
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
You do know LG pushed a firmware update effectively ruining game mode and hdr on the sets right?
I’m going to take another look at it all today but so far so pants
GeekRed
Neo Member
Hello, I live in England and I'm planning to change my old Panasonic Plasma TV from 2012 with a new television next month. I was thinking about a 4K HDR+dolby vision television, max 55'', mainly for gaming and maybe some occasional streaming/bluray movies. Any suggestions? My budget is 1100 - 1400£ I'd love to taste this HDR tech that everyone seems to love so much hah
I'd love to taste this HDR tech that everyone seems to love so much hah
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
its been fine for me. when did this firmware come out?You do know LG pushed a firmware update effectively ruining game mode and hdr on the sets right?
I’m going to take another look at it all today but so far so pants
Toe-Knee
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Sony xf9005 its at the top end of your budget but you won't regret itHello, I live in England and I'm planning to change my old Panasonic Plasma TV from 2012 with a new television next month. I was thinking about a 4K HDR+dolby vision television, max 55'', mainly for gaming and maybe some occasional streaming/bluray movies. Any suggestions? My budget is 1100 - 1400£
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nowheretorun
Black levels and brightness for the Samsung 7000 are generally great for an lcd, it's only for hdr did the sony have an advantage in picture. On the Sony some games looked identical in hdr, some look really good at times but sometimes too dark or way too bright, and I spent good time on the settings. But it is a lot better than the 7000's hdr. I think it's mostly because hdr is so new and they need to work out the kinks.
Enjoy your TV, it's great for movies and sports too since it's a native 120hz panel.
Black levels and brightness for the Samsung 7000 are generally great for an lcd, it's only for hdr did the sony have an advantage in picture. On the Sony some games looked identical in hdr, some look really good at times but sometimes too dark or way too bright, and I spent good time on the settings. But it is a lot better than the 7000's hdr. I think it's mostly because hdr is so new and they need to work out the kinks.
Enjoy your TV, it's great for movies and sports too since it's a native 120hz panel.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Just checked God of War in game modd. It still looked breathtaking. No idea what the issue.You do know LG pushed a firmware update effectively ruining game mode and hdr on the sets right?
I’m going to take another look at it all today but so far so pants
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
The issue is that if you use game mode AND hdr (and have hdmi ultra deep colour) and use hdr in the settings of your console, you will get much darker images than what you used to get on past firmware’s. Something they introduced last year but refuse to fix, even though if you look online, you will find countless posts and petitions about it. It’s not an issue on the 2018 models, as they introduced a new feature to fix it, but won’t on the 2017 line.
Plus coming from a ks8000 with such a bright screen, it’s a huge let down.
But yeah, it’s so dark in HDR mode and the colours have such little saturation, that at night in sea of thieves for example, it’s extremely hard to see anything.
This issue doesn’t exist if you use any other mode, it’s only in game mode.
There is a fix, which is to label your input as pc and use the pc mode. You get minimal lag, and normal colours. However this is only 8bit and introduces a lot of banding.
So either you haven’t set up your tv correctly, or you’re using a new model, or you’re lucky enough to be on the old old firmware still. But yeah, it certainly a massive issue that’s very well known and documented.
Plus coming from a ks8000 with such a bright screen, it’s a huge let down.
But yeah, it’s so dark in HDR mode and the colours have such little saturation, that at night in sea of thieves for example, it’s extremely hard to see anything.
This issue doesn’t exist if you use any other mode, it’s only in game mode.
There is a fix, which is to label your input as pc and use the pc mode. You get minimal lag, and normal colours. However this is only 8bit and introduces a lot of banding.
So either you haven’t set up your tv correctly, or you’re using a new model, or you’re lucky enough to be on the old old firmware still. But yeah, it certainly a massive issue that’s very well known and documented.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
To be fair if an image looks good to you, then it’s good. That’s enough for anybody I think.
Sadly the only real fox I’ve seen so far is messing with settings and sticking dynamic contrast on highest, which clips the colours at the high and low ends so much it almost makes it pointless.
I’m still searching, but seeing as thousands of people have not been able to solve this yet, I remain skeptical that I can
Sadly the only real fox I’ve seen so far is messing with settings and sticking dynamic contrast on highest, which clips the colours at the high and low ends so much it almost makes it pointless.
I’m still searching, but seeing as thousands of people have not been able to solve this yet, I remain skeptical that I can
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I use the Rtings settings on game mode for my PS4 Pro and X1X and they look good, but can seem a little dark in places now that you mention it. I’ll try switching to another mode and see if I can tell a difference. Input lag means little to me so if that’s the trade off I’ll deal with it.
iconmaster
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The Wirecutter just put out a new recommendation for the $650 TCL 55R617 (4K, HDR, 60 Hz)
(Edit: manufacturer claims 120 Hz but the panel is 60 Hz. The LED can flash at 120 Hz. It's weird. Thanks
JohnnyFootball
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(Edit: manufacturer claims 120 Hz but the panel is 60 Hz. The LED can flash at 120 Hz. It's weird. Thanks
JohnnyFootball
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JohnnyFootball
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FYI. It’s not a true 120 Hz panel
iconmaster
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^ Okay. Good to know!
Chozofication_
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JohnnyFootball
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I checked it, did some investigating and the issue just isn’t there for me. I switched between every mode and went to very dark areas in God of War and still didn’t see any changes aside from subtle differences due to the different modes.
It’s possible the firmware was pulled before I got my TV.
My software version is 04.70.50
GeekRed
Neo Member
I was expecting to read LG Oled models lol, I'm intrigued. Why is the Sony better than those? :0
Toe-Knee
Member
Not necessarily better for some but I personally like the number of apps available with it being android steam link is a big on.
Also don't support said VRR is coming in an update later in the year.
LG support said they have no plans to add the feature.
However the oled will ultimately have better contrast /blacks but doesn't get as bright for hdr.
The best advice I can give is to go to a richer sounds if you have one local and test them both with your console this is what I did before getting my bravia a few years back. I had to call to book it but they set up a viewing room and set both sets up for me.
autoduelist
Member
Having just set up my TCL 55r617, I have a couple questions. If there's a better place for them let me know, but I figure this seems to be a common purchase here.
First, I hooked up my Samsung soundbar via Optical. On my old TV, all my HDMIs were taken so I didn't really have a choice. Should I reconnect via HDMI ARC?
Second, does anyone have to go to place for calibration settings? That's how I used to set up my TV's but I can't seem to find anything online anymore.
Most importantly, I'm interested in any settings I should ensure are properly set for a launch PS4.
Also, when I go into my PS4 settings and turn HDR to automatic, I'm told my TV doesn't support HDR . What am I doing wrong?
First, I hooked up my Samsung soundbar via Optical. On my old TV, all my HDMIs were taken so I didn't really have a choice. Should I reconnect via HDMI ARC?
Second, does anyone have to go to place for calibration settings? That's how I used to set up my TV's but I can't seem to find anything online anymore.
Most importantly, I'm interested in any settings I should ensure are properly set for a launch PS4.
Also, when I go into my PS4 settings and turn HDR to automatic, I'm told my TV doesn't support HDR . What am I doing wrong?
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Toe-Knee
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With regards to the last part you probably have to use a specific port for hdr and enable a setting on the tv.
Usually it's something like uhd colour or enhanced hdmi.
Insane Metal
Member
Vizio P Series 2018 is a great candidate https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-2018
autoduelist
Member
Thanks, I figured it out. In case anyone else needs to know, I turned off my PS4, and within the TV settings changed that input to HDMI 2.0. When I turned my PS4 back on it automatically it had automatically set itself to HDR.
I'm still not sure about Optical vs. Arc, though based on Research it seems like Arc may be slightly better
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Toe-Knee
Member
Arc should in theory be better. You will also have the benefit of the tv remote changing the volume on your sound bar.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
The LG (and Sony) OLED is the better choice and it’s not even close. It’s just that the 900F can usually be found cheaper than the B7A, which is now being sold at a cost comparable to midrange.
At most retailers in the US the B7A is being sold for about $200 more than the 900F as they are trying to get rid of it to make way for the B8. If you can afford the extra $200 then the B7A is the better choice. I bought the 900F when the price dropped to $1299 at Best Buy. 3 days later Dell.com dropped the price of the B7A to $1299 as a flash sale. I immediately returned the 900F an had B.B. price match Dell.com. So now I own the B7A and it was a considerable upgrade.
However once the B7A is cleared out the price difference between the cheapest OLED and the 900F will likely be greater than $500.
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Interesting. While I enjoyed the 900F, the Android TV feature was far and away the worst feature. It was full of so much unnecessary bloatware that it really bogged the system down to a level that was, quite frankly, unacceptable. You'd want to tweak some pictures settings and it would literally take several seconds before the menu popped up after pressing the button on the remote. There are several youtube videos showing tips for how to improve performance and while they helped immensely it was still somewhat sluggish. The LG WebOS for my B7A is very responsive and pleasant to use, although the trade off is a pathetic lack of app support. The best smart app built into a TV was the Roku OS that was in my (now sold) TCL P605. That was amazing.
Toe-Knee
Member
It can be slow but if you remove enough of the junk it gets to acceptable levels. I'm waiting for the cfw that's meant to be coming should help things along nicely.
Webos is great though I especially like the magic remote.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I never thought I would own a smart TV with an OS that was good enough to actually use over my Fire TV, but I just picked up a new TCL and I am very impressed. Such a great and responsive OS that I no longer feel the need to plug anything extra into my TV.
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
The LG WebOS works well enough but it is missing many apps notably HBO and it has pretty much no channel apps.
I had FireTV for a day and returned it. Didn’t like the interface and no YouTube app was a total dealbreaker.
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GeekRed
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Ah ok, should I look for LG Oleds then? Can you tell me the european model of the television you bought? Thanks!
GeekRed
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https://www.johnlewis.com/lg-oled55...qaorEeBJmVzhhbC1poxoCO1QQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds this is the model, right? :0
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Looks about right.
autoduelist
Member
that's why I'm going to make the switch. My Samsung Sound Bar supports the remotes for about 10 different companies, but TCL isn't included. My previous TV had all the HDMI slots used, so I used Optical, but both the TV and Soundbar were Samsung so it was not an issue. So HDMI it is.
Yep. The TCL 55r617 OS is absolutely amazing. super fast and snappy. and for those debating it, buy the 1 through Amazon that is $50 more than Best Buy. The only difference is a voice-activated remote, but it is so nice. Little Things, like holding down the button and saying switch to PlayStation aren't that big of a deal, but being able to say something like find Spartacus and almost instantly seeing all places you can watch it, including prices and whether or not it's included in subscriptions, is straight-up amazing. Results are so quick, it puts Amazon on PS4 to Absolute shame. Totally makes Googling whether I can stream something for free anywhere obsolete as well, since I have Hulu Netflix and Prime
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
I agree with this. More TVs should integrate ROKU as their smart TV OS, it blew Sony’s Android TV and LGs WebOS away.
I can second that, Android TV OS (on my Sony X800D) lags quite a lot and is very buggy. For example, my TV often restarts when I start my PS4 for some reason. I am waiting for my LG C7 to arrive (got one at a great price compared to C8, B7 and C7 are best buys if you can find them) and I hope the webOS is more responsive and stable.
GeekRed
Neo Member
What's the difference between B7 and C7? Seem pretty similar...
Toe-Knee
Member
I think the c7 can i dolby atmos with the built in speakers.
Basically, they are very similar. The panel is the same so the picture quality is the same (panel variance can occur between different TVs, of course, but that can happen between the same models too).
C7 has a different design and slightly better audio.
So, get the one you can find cheaper. As the 2017 models are getting phased out, if you can find either the C7 or B7, both are a good buy.
The EU versions are C7V and B7V.
Yes, while B7 can only offer Dolby Atmos pass through.... but the difference is not that big according to Rtings.com and you can always get a sound bar for both. I guess one should get the C7 if both are priced about the same, otherwise just get the cheaper one.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Arc is better
About the tv speakers topic...Modern tvs have SHIT speakers so IMO get at least a soundbar or get a receiver for it.
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autoduelist
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Yep, for my Samsung soundbar and TCL, Arc is far superior if only because of it now working with my TV remote. two simple settings on the TV and it was working perfectly.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Anyone know of a good Atmos soundbar with ARC and Chromecast?
tylrdiablos
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Anyone got any recommendations, my current tv is 8 years old (I purchased it for Halo: Reach!).
Specs/Wants:
Low latency input for PS4/Xbox One X & Switch
32" or higher (I sit 2 yards from my tv, screen size isn't a massive factor)
Full 4K & full HDR
32" or more
Netflix + YouTube
Difficulty modifiers:
UK shopper
£500 budget
Specs/Wants:
Low latency input for PS4/Xbox One X & Switch
32" or higher (I sit 2 yards from my tv, screen size isn't a massive factor
)Full 4K & full HDR
32" or more
Netflix + YouTube
Difficulty modifiers:
UK shopper
£500 budget