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Newly Ascended to PC Master Race

Azurro

Banned
I itsjustJEFF congrats! If you want to follow the palladin story branch, then enjoy your new PC and talk about the cool indie games that release first on it and cool mods available on PC.

If you want to follow the evil path, just do like VFXJanitor and pathologically hate on Sony games and consoles for no reason. ;)
 

fart town usa

Gold Member
That's not a gaming GPU so it wasn't designed for game at the time much less now. It would probably run some older game like Tomb Raider ok at lower resolutions and settings.
Appreciate it. I mostly got it for work and video editing, haven't bothered to try any games out but was always curious.
 

01011001

Banned
While PC HW is always ahead, a new console has impact on the bare minimum PC HW you need to play AAA games. AAA games don't target enthusiast PC HW but mainstream HW (Mid/low range GPUs and consoles)

with the more and more prevalent implementations of raytracing features this isn't strictly true anymore.
simply due to how far ahead PC cards are in that area you will still get PC versions that will push the limits of your PC.
intense raytracing features pushes engines on all fronts. memory bandwidth, CPU power, shading performance and of course raytracing acceleration performance.
 

Ceadeus

Member
I would suggest you to check out the website gg.deals , where you can find the best current price for the game you are looking for.

I mean, with this website, you won't ever have to buy from steam ever again unless Steam have the best current deal.
 

VFXVeteran

Banned
While PC HW is always ahead, a new console has impact on the bare minimum PC HW you need to play AAA games. AAA games don't target enthusiast PC HW but mainstream HW (Mid/low range GPUs and consoles)
Understood. But telling someone to measure up when they need to upgrade based on a console that's generations behind isn't very helpful. PC GPUs will always have a "budget" card for their generation. Since he's a PC player now, he only need to follow the announcements of the Nvidia GPUs as they get released.
 

Nickolaidas

Member
Consoles don't dictate technology going forward - the PC GPUs do. They are always ahead of console tech. 4xxx cards will be what he should look out for next.
But aren't the consoles holding PCs back because devs have to take in account of their hardware? This has been stated time and again in dev videos where devs said "we wanted to do this in X game, but the hardware limitations of the PS3 and X360 ..." . Like Star Citizen, which Roberts said time and again that the game is so tech-demanding that it's simply not feasible to be on consoles due to their low hardware. Sure, games can have better textures on PC, or higher resolution and framerate, but I doubt a game can take 100% advantage of a 4090ti and a top-of-the-line CPU and NvMe if it also has to be released on a PS4.

And even if the devs COULD theoretically take full advantage of the 4090ti, they probably won't because they don't want the console versions to look so utterly inferior to the PC versions.

Personally, I think there is a limit to how much downgrading a game can suffer before it can run on a console and STILL look relatively identical to the PC version.
 

VFXVeteran

Banned
But aren't the consoles holding PCs back because devs have to take in account of their hardware?
No. The graphics pipeline is agnostic of hardware. The game engine developers just implement what they want to implement. Obviously they develop with a beefy PC so that their proof-of-concepts are done and you can quickly implement papers and such. But the PC GPUs are bandwidth limited too. They just have a higher ceiling than the consoles. PCs still need DLSS to even render full RT correctly and with good performance at 4k.

This has been stated time and again in dev videos where devs said "we wanted to do this in X game, but the hardware limitations of the PS3 and X360 ..." .
Those were days of old and long gone. There is no custom hardware like that anymore.

Like Star Citizen, which Roberts said time and again that the game is so tech-demanding that it's simply not feasible to be on consoles due to their low hardware.
He's full of shit. Star Citizen doesn't show anything that can't be done on a console. It's all the same graphics tech as any other game.

Sure, games can have better textures on PC, or higher resolution and framerate,
But that is good enough. Better textures is a BIG difference since they are the main thing people look at. Higher resolution makes EVERYTHING look better - see the HFW thread as proof of that. FPS is also VERY important to playability. All those things add up to enormous bandwidth requirements.
 

Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
While PC HW is always ahead, a new console has impact on the bare minimum PC HW you need to play AAA games. AAA games don't target enthusiast PC HW but mainstream HW (Mid/low range GPUs and consoles)
The 1060 is still pretty much the defacto min spec, even if you can get away with using a GPU from 2014.

After Ada Lovelace drops and the 1060 starts really looking ancient maybe we'll see more games list the RTX 2060 as min spec.

But realistically weve seen it over and over again that min spec isnt actually min spec.
Maybe only CPU minspec is a true-ish minspec because even the 2500K can still run games at 30fps.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Ah, a champagne PCMR. Had your peasants build it for you, did ya?
queen elizabeth GIF
 

Nitty_Grimes

Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Do I need to obtain software that you see on videos showing FPS and CPU and GPU temps or is this built into the actual games you see people playing?

There might be more stupid questions, sorry.
 

Nickolaidas

Member
Do I need to obtain software that you see on videos showing FPS and CPU and GPU temps or is this built into the actual games you see people playing?

There might be more stupid questions, sorry.
FurMark.
Tech-Power-Up GPU Z
 
Do I need to obtain software that you see on videos showing FPS and CPU and GPU temps or is this built into the actual games you see people playing?

There might be more stupid questions, sorry.
I use NZXT's CAM app. I didn't have much choice, it was preinstalled. I'm sure there are a ton of them that the more versed PC guys will definitely suggest.
 
3060ti homies. I play most games 1440p high/ ultra no problem at all. Do a little OC for extra power or a little undervolt to save a few bucks on electricity.
I'm finding the 3060ti to be a very capable gpu. Still not quite so sure on doing any OC, but for sure I'll give it a shot in the future. Not that worried about electricity $, as I think in the end it doesn't really add that much to your monthly or yearly bill, unless you're like mining LOL. I think we all suffered from parents telling us that these video games are using up too much electricity and that it's the reason for the bill being so high. I personally find heaters and A/C to be the things that really jack up the electricity bill!
 

Ev1L AuRoN

Member
The 3060ti >>> to the current-gen consoles in my book, much better RT performance and DLSS baby. You will be running equal or better in most situations, except when the port is shit.

As for what to play, now you will have a true grasp of what Master Racer means. You can pretty much play every game from the dawn of times to modern titles with "remastered" graphics. True backwards compatibility, system open that allows you to run any software you want and massive support from Microsoft and now Sony starting to bring their games to PC.
 
I'm finding the 3060ti to be a very capable gpu. Still not quite so sure on doing any OC, but for sure I'll give it a shot in the future. Not that worried about electricity $, as I think in the end it doesn't really add that much to your monthly or yearly bill, unless you're like mining LOL. I think we all suffered from parents telling us that these video games are using up too much electricity and that it's the reason for the bill being so high. I personally find heaters and A/C to be the things that really jack up the electricity bill!
Hahaha yup. I'm a dad in Canada so all I do is yell "close the door"
My undervolt saves about 50 Watts and that's 50 Watts for every minute gaming do it does add up a bit over time and it's about 5-7% less performance.
About overclocking. My card performs as good or better in some games then a 3070fe stock so it does add quite a bit.
 
Hahaha yup. I'm a dad in Canada so all I do is yell "close the door"
My undervolt saves about 50 Watts and that's 50 Watts for every minute gaming do it does add up a bit over time and it's about 5-7% less performance.
About overclocking. My card performs as good or better in some games then a 3070fe stock so it does add quite a bit.
I undervolt my 3060ti ftw3 ultra as well. I am concerned about temperatures and the needed speed isn't needed, especially after having 3 gpus die on me after 2 years (8800gts, 9800gt, and ati 7870) With shortages in cards coupled with miners and scalpers, its not something i want to deal with.

I have a 1080p display but still use 1440p dsr and it downsamples to 1080p, which makes some games really sharp.
I undervolt as the ftw3 card uses a ton more watts over stock founders cards. The fe is rated 200watts yet my 3060ti gets up to 230+ in max load, with almost 2100mhz range , kinda nuts for a card that base clock is rated at 1800 MHz (1665 for founders).

I undervolt due to temp concerns. In cyberpunk i was getting mid to upper 70c's which was making my office air hot. Not to mention the stress on the card. Some other games like city builders i was getting 200+fps way overboard. I cap my fps for that. I set the power to 95% (instead of 100) and the gpu temp throttling at 78 instead of the 85 it sets as standard. Lowering the power wattage down 5% , I don't notice any frame loss. Still see wattage well above 200w, but temps never get past 72-74 now. In games like Elden Ring with capped fps, I get locked 60fps and temps in the 60s. Shows gpu load at around 60-80%. Haven't had a game I couldn't max yet.

The 2060 I had prior was awesome too. It wasn't as fast with RTX though, and I couldn't pass up on a step up program with a $80 price tag. Glad I did as the $450 I paid for my card has been selling for 1100+ due to shortages. I kept my old 1650super and 1060 as backups, even though I could sell them and make a ton, its sad even if I sold them I still couldn't replace the 3060ti.

I really hope the shortages clear up soon and mining gets banned. (yeah i said it. As a gamer, fuck bit coin mining. You assholes are ruining it for budget concious gamers. You destroyed the gaming sphere. I won't spend over $500 for a gpu and 400 was pushing it. New comers into pc gaming are fucked. A new 60 series card used to be $200 , now its $1k. Insanity. Shit you can't even get ultra low office cards anymore. Cards that would sell for $80 and barely push frames are now $300.
 
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bad guy

as bad as Danny Zuko in gym knickers
I had to look at my hand... like "do I have the shakes, WTF" lol It probably doesn't help for me to have chosen Tarkov and Valorant as my first m+kb games.
Sounds like you need to lower the sensitivity of your mouse. They usually have an option on the mouse itself (dpi). If you have a 4K screen higher sensitivity is helpful, and lower is better for fullHD and the like.
 

bad guy

as bad as Danny Zuko in gym knickers
The diversity of games on PC with all it's niches makes it had to recommend games without knowing what you are into.
 
The diversity of games on PC with all it's niches makes it had to recommend games without knowing what you are into.
Yea, that's the hard part. Lost Ark is a game that I had no idea I liked, till I played it. Basically looking for very uniquely PC game experiences. Got a few good suggestions for Retro FPS games, so that was cool! Also got a suggestion for Total War.
 

Topher

Gold Member
nah.
There is nothing like a comfort to just slouch back in the chair with a controller.
Not every fps game is a twitch competitive shooter. Just aiming is only means to the gameplay. not the gameplay

Sure......but given the choice I'm going to play every first person game with kb&m. I really wish console FPS would support kb&m more.
 

rofif

Banned
Sure......but given the choice I'm going to play every first person game with kb&m. I really wish console FPS would support kb&m more.
I mean, I am sitting at my desk anyway. But whole day of kb+mouse gaming is more straining than some dark souls lean back chair dying
 

rofif

Banned
I guess I'm just used to it. I've been playing FPS with kb&m since the very first doom.
Me too. I just no longer think it's comfortable compared to other options. But there is still a reason I have razer viper mini keyboard and viper ultmate mouse :p That's half of the ps5 price just here :p
 

sendit

Member
Yes, I have ascended... Good to be here (it's been like 4 days) It's a modest system, nothing outlandish, especially at current market prices. I'd have had to sell both my kidneys to get anything higher end.

What games are you guys playing or what games should I play? I'm currently hooked on Lost Ark, I have Tarkov and Valorant... but avoiding those ATM since Razer's 2.4hz thing is a bit disappointing. Whenever I move around in either Tarkov or Valorant I get stuck going in a direction and it seems to happen randomly. I can only get out of it when I hit the same direction to cancel it out. So I am avoiding FPS games before I get me a USB 2.0 extension so its closer to my wireless RGB (lol) keyboard and mouse. Apparently USB 3.0 devices or shit can fuck with it... who the F doesn't have USB 3.0 devices, ports, dongles? Also avoiding cause I am currently TERRIBLE on mouse + keyboard for FPS rn... it's a twitchy mess rn.

Anyway, any game suggestions or general PC pointers would be appreciated. Oh and if you have to know, it's a NZXT H1 set up, 10700K w/3060ti... no, I did not build it myself lol

EDIT: 32 GB of ram, thought that might help if I move to PC for Blender (still learning) and video stuff.
Disagree. PC Master Race requires a 3090.
 
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Sounds like you need to lower the sensitivity of your mouse. They usually have an option on the mouse itself (dpi). If you have a 4K screen higher sensitivity is helpful, and lower is better for fullHD and the like.
Yea, I think so too. I'm trying to figure out exactly how I should be using my mouse. For work with my work mouse I don't move my arm at all really, most of my movement is in my fingers and just a little bit of wrist. That's enough to get me across the entire display and up to my hot corners. I think I've been doing that for so long now that I can't rewire my brain to use a mouse any other way. My monitor is a 4k one, so I'm tweaking dpi to give me the same movement style when I'm playing games. I'll get to a comfortable place eventually... well, at least I hope so lol
 
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Dream-Knife

Banned
I don't understand this. Can you elaborate?
On the console part? Basically any major AAA game that comes out will come out on consoles. If your GPU performs at or above the consoles, he'll be fine.

The second part, if he already owns a 30 series, looking at upgrading to a 40 series is a bit silly. At best he should look around the 50 series, unless money is no object of course.
 
I seriously was debating a 3090 but it would have taken my build costs to nearly £5K with the monitor on top.
Even though you're way closer... I guess we both ain't actual "PC Master Race" LOL... I guess we'll just have to work harder on getting the cards at retail or just pay the scalpers :goog_unamused:
 
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Nitty_Grimes

Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Even thought you're way closer... I guess we both ain't actual "PC Master Race" LOL... I guess we'll just have to work harder on getting the cards at retail or just pay the scalpers :goog_unamused:
This is us outside master race club HQ while all inside game on ultra wide 3090 builds. So close my friend. 😂

disappointed standing in the rain GIF
 
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VFXVeteran

Banned
3090 is "I just got money to blow" territory, tbh. 3080/6800 XT is peak Master Race and even that is a tall order for most considering the 1060 is still the most used card on Steam, lmao.
Completely disagree here.

The main advantage to the 3090 is the VRAM. You ALWAYS want more VRAM on the GPU as it will be extremely capable of bandwidth issues as more textures and shaders become a thing. You can compile and execute those shaders and the texture memory is absolutely going to be a plus. I would never buy a GPU that has less than 16G of VRAM.
 
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Nitty_Grimes

Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
5900 CPU
12 gig 3080 Ti
9 RGB fans
32 Gig RAM
1TB 980 PRO Windows / general install
2TB 980 PRO D: Games only
6 Tb Barracuda 'Junk' drive for music, pics, docs etc.
All wrapped up in a Corsair 5000X case

Asus ROG Strix XG27AQ while the 4K monitor is on back order.

Macbook Pro to the left :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Roast me!!!

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