Cyberpunkd
Member
Sure, let's just shit on all the people that bought Series S because they were promised "like XSX, just 1080p". Also it might shock you - some people have only one console, and it's Series S.
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Series X|S Parity Clause Changed: BG3 coming to Xbox this year, no split screen coop for Series S
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Ar¢tos
Member
If MS removes the game from sale because of that, then Larian would very likely just scrap Xbox from their target platforms for future games.
Tumle
Member
Do People really not like split-screen anymore?
Havoc2049
Member
Finally. I think the last time I used split screen multiplayer was at a Halo 2 LAN party back in the day. Although some people still use split screen multiplayer, as I'll run into some split sceeners sometimes while playing Halo MCC multiplayer online.
Sea of Thieves also has automatic cross save progression between MS PC Store, Xbox and Steam. Grounded and Halo Master Chief Collection has cross save as well with Steam, but you have to do it manually.
Skifi28
Member
I don't think people stopped having friends and family all of a sudden. "nobody plays splitscreen" is such a weird narrative, reminds me of "nobody plays single player games anymore."
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
They do. But many are pretending that split-screen is not important or a big deal anymore because ... love for corporations.
But this is a slippery slope now. Today, it is split screen; tomorrow it will be something else. Maybe even a single-player campaign or a multiplayer mode like 128 players battleground.
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Zheph
Member
Where did you saw that? Looks like a FUD
Vognerful
Member
I mean I visit my brother and he has 2 kids and an Xbox. The number of times I saw them playing together is very small.
If I am not mistaken, the number of home console gamers are not increasing, and younger generations are less interested in gaming on consoles or handle helds.
One time I tried to teach my nephews how to play on the switch and they didn't want to bother because playing Roblox on the iPad is way easier.
we have the internet, split screen just isnt needed nearly as much as it was used to, id bet most split screen usage these days is just kids in mario kart
Vognerful
Member
I would say the chances are if you have a family, each one is using his own machine to play with the other than actually using split screen.
not everyone can afford multiple consoles
Bernoulli
M2 slut
never seen that
in a family everyone uses one console with split screen or each their turn
Fabieter
Member
Its not even affordability. It's not necessary. If you want to play Mario kart with 4 people without splitscreen that's 4 consoles and 4 games when we have TVs like 75" big. It's stupid.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Not in my house, we all have our own consoles and we play Fortnite together online. On our own consoles.
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YOU PC BRO?!
Member
I hope Larian decide to give Series S owners a good discount considering the version they buy has missing features.
Fabieter
Member
Why if no one is using it like alot of executives at xbox and consumers claim than why would it be a problem.
they are already getting every other game with missing rt, performance modes, etc etc
they are already scammed by microsoft&shills co. with the “same game lower res” bullshit.
honestly don’t know why ms was drawing the line at splitscreen.
MasterCornholio
Member
Well they also own the Series X version with every game that they buy. Microsoft never promised a lower price point for just the Series S version.
Chittagong
Gold Member
The parity clause didn’t apply to resolution or framerate either so I guess it’s fine to drop the pretense altogether and admit that ghetto box gets ghetto versions of games
Vognerful
Member
I didn't say that no one uses split screen or have more than one console.
What I have been trying to say is that your average gamer is way older than what it was 20 years ago. With older average age, your average gamer turned to be a different demographic than a kid in a family. You are talking about a college kid or a guy who has a 9 to 5 job that can afford to buy his own console. If it is not a fighting game, you would find people bringing their own machine to gatherings.
An example from my family: we used to play many games with local multiplier including CoD and medal of honor. Now, you would find me playing on my PC in one room, my brother on his PS4 pro on another room, and his wife on her laptop on different room.
If you will say that "but most people can't afford to do that" I will repeat what I said earlier: you average gamer is way older than what they used to be, and younger generations are not that interested in traditional gaming (consoles).
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Fabieter
Member
It's easy they saw sales on pc and critical reception. Its so fickleness.
Bernoulli
M2 slut
you must be rich, tbh families that buy the S because it's cheap can't really afford multiple consoles
there are games like fifa, switch games that are better played in local coop
but games like COD and Fortnite are hard to play in split but they still work even on S and old gen consoles
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
Never played Balders Gate but I fells in love with Lorion thank you Phil
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
We would play couch co op on something like Fifa but theres no way a game like that wouldnt run on series S. So I dont think we will see that game affected...
Not that I would play Fifa, maybe once in a blue moon. Not Rich, just a good dad...I hope.
YOU PC BRO?!
Member
I do think there is a distinction between missing features and lower-quality settings. Perhaps Larian should sell the game cheaper on Series devices and sell co-op as an add-on for Series X only? Would be a clean method of handling the problem without setting a precedent.
Regardless, I have a Series X and am more concerned with the lack of a BG3 physical release. It's honestly pretty sad.
The Shepard
Member
I always thought the series s was a good idea and there was a market there for it but when we get further on in the generation this series s problem will only get worse with games becoming more and more demanding. It was stupid not to do this sooner with the split screen feature being removed. It's most likely put people off getting a series s keeping this in the news and dragging there heels over it but at least they finally seen sense.
Bernoulli
M2 slut
if you can buy each kid his own console,that's big W for the kids they must be so happy
Physiognomonics
Member
Remind me who designed that thing? Weren't they saying it would be just a few button push from XSX version?
Cyberpunkd
Member
Because executives at Microsoft have a habbit of
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Cyberpunkd
Member
nowhat
Member
Oh yeah? Link says otherwise.
PeteBull
Member
Both terrible af, for comparision from official data provided by both sony and ms, playstation 5 outsold series x/s almost 2:1 by now, worldwide, so if u compare more expensive ps5 vs much cheaper xss its over 2:1 difference, and its getting worse and worse, meaning even casual customers realised how bad of a deal series s is, vs ps5.
Now going forward u will have ps5 slim, dunno if cheaper or maybe at 400$ vs 1tb xss at 350$, u dont need to be hardward graduate or rocket science physicist to predict the bloodbath thats gonna happen next few years.
rickybooby87
Member
Now, they need to make a revision of the S with more VRAM, bump it up 12GB minimum, additional RAM for OS and background tasks too. At that point, it would be more similar to to just "Lowering the resolution" like MS claimed it would be when it came worries about a weaker system. But, you're then adding a third system to the mix that devs have to target, MS really screwed the pooch on this one, which is the reason why we're hearing Phil talk about how we basically don't need a mid gen refresh, etc.
Not that the S will be abandoned, but I imagine we'll see it continue to miss out on features and maybe some games as we cross the mid point of the console generation.
Not that the S will be abandoned, but I imagine we'll see it continue to miss out on features and maybe some games as we cross the mid point of the console generation.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Shhhh. Phil wants you to forget about that.#NeverForget
SkylineRKR
Member
I think MS first kind of lucked out with the XSS. This gen was unusual with very long cross-gen support, pandemic and shortages. The XSS could tag along just fine. But this is the first year these consoles are readily available and current-gen only development is ramping up. And now the XSS is going to struggle. MS dropping a mandate is pretty huge and opens up more negotiations. Its not getting better from here on.
I wouldn't buy it if I were on a budget right now, but rather save up or wait.
No they promised like XSX but 1440p in fact. Then downplayed to 1080p. But they promise so much. I am still waiting for my PS3 to run at 120hz.
I wouldn't buy it if I were on a budget right now, but rather save up or wait.
No they promised like XSX but 1440p in fact. Then downplayed to 1080p. But they promise so much. I am still waiting for my PS3 to run at 120hz.
A Most Virtuous Cat
Banned
That is not a good look for the big P AT ALL.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Yep, I was saying they needed to ditch this stupid clause.
Now ditch the gimped frame rate for online Forza matches.
Now ditch the gimped frame rate for online Forza matches.
Topher
Gold Member
That's not what they said. They said flatly that XSS will not feature split-screen coop. They said nothing about "at launch". Now is it possible Larian will go back and still try to make it work? Sure, but they have not said that.
SkylineRKR
Member
The problem now is that MS can't say with a straight face that XSS is delivering the same gameplay experience albeit at lower specs. Because, splitscreen being useless to many or not, this is factually wrong in the case of BG3 and i'm sure more upcoming software.
PropellerEar
Member
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
Hardly any games are split screen now, that should give you the evidence that you need.
A hundred hour rpg? Even less likely to get played in splitscreen IMO. Larian will know better, obviously, but from where I am it seems bizarre that this game has become the flashpoint.
Horseganador
Member
Phil must be proud of his player base, the same goes for 3 years defending Series S 24/7 and that he can handle everything without problems that in a matter of seconds they completely change their opinion and break the promised parity between S and X is the movement Logical and a triumph for Phil xDDD.
KXVXII9X
Member
I feel like the Series S was a mistake from the beginning and was worried it would be a major bottleneck in the future. There was so much push about it being affordable which is nice, but I think Xbox should have been more honest about its capabilities.
It is nice BG3 is now coming this year on Xbox though. Great game! I worry this will be a pattern with the Series S. I think this was the best compromise and people who bought the Series X shouldn't have to suffer due to bad planning from Xbox.
It is nice BG3 is now coming this year on Xbox though. Great game! I worry this will be a pattern with the Series S. I think this was the best compromise and people who bought the Series X shouldn't have to suffer due to bad planning from Xbox.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Ehh not that simple. They could have looked at the code and said “ this is a six month project “ then Phil says “ that’s too long .. launch it as is and keep working on it.
Not every dev is John Carmac. Not every port has the same level of optimization as other ports. Not every dev has the budget or time to optimize every port as much as others.
These facts are why middleware like the unreal engine are so popular. It’s also why some smaller developers do not like the XsS. It’s just more money and time.
Topher
Gold Member
People have every right to criticize XSS or even say it is a mistake. Suggesting they should be banned is just absurd. I think you should utilize the ignore thread button if the topic bothers you so much.
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I saw this and immediately told myself this.
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Hoddi
Member
Their last game (DOS2) already supported split-screen on the consoles. I'd be curious how many people on here played it that way.
