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[Killjoy-NL]

I think the majority of people who are still buying Xbox consoles are going to move to PlayStation. They're still console gamers first. A lot will move to PC, especially if Xbox Live lives on there, but most will probably go to PlayStation.

Sure, console gamers will stay on console. Only a tiny fraction of the Xbox installbase will move to PC.

The Switch isn't a console, it's a hybrid. So no, it won't be 50/50, nor are the direct competitors for the exact same dollars.

Yes, it's a hybrid, so it counts as a console.

That's why Xbox is in 3rd place, not 2nd.

 

[Ozzie666]

If this is true,

Has Phil booked some annual leave or something? or have his lies and salesmen pitch, changed one too many times.

Least Don had a clear direction, it was wrong, but at least he had something.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

So the same should apply to Starfield then. Drop your prediction. When is it showing up? Here is mine. They're never bringing that shit to Playstation since it's an evergreen title and entices customers to consider their console.

This prediction will age like fine milk

I'm sure a few people already saved it for future entertainment.

Starfield is complete shit though, nothing will change that.

 

[DJ12]

This prediction will age like fine milk

I'm sure a few people already saved it for future entertainment.

Starfield is complete shit though, nothing will change that.

I read that the guy on the video isn't who he said he was, so this can probably be ignored.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

If this is true,

Has Phil booked some annual leave or something? or have his lies and salesmen pitch, changed one too many times.

Least Don had a clear direction, it was wrong, but at least he had something.

The reason he hasn't been fired yet is because Nadella doesn't care about Xbox hardware sales.

He cares about GamePass subscriptions and a future cloud-based streaming service. ABK positions them for that, Xbox doesn't.

 

[jm89]

Everything reaks of phil not onboard with this stuff, greenberg and booty probably punching air right now.

Sara doesn't have the history of fighting sony, so alot easier for her to be the one to lead on this strategy.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

 

[DJ12]

The reason he hasn't been fired yet is because Nadella doesn't care about Xbox hardware sales.

He cares about GamePass subscriptions and a future cloud-based streaming service. ABK positions them for that, Xbox doesn't.

Not true at all, hence why third party options are being explored.

Gamepass was Phils last hail Mary to stave off the vultures calling for xboxs death from within Microsoft.

It didn't work as he promised, now they will be going down another route to attempt to make money.

Satya cares about making money, not gamepass. Gamepass will die the same time xbox does as its just not relevant anywhere else. If Satya can bring in the profits ABK used to while just selling on pc, playstation and Nintendo he wouldn't bat an eye at the cloud.

I for one won't be paying for the sub service while the gamepass mentality of just get content out still exists.

 

[DJ12]

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Not true at all, hence why third party options are being explored.

Gamepass was Phils last hail Mary to stave off the vultures calling for xboxs death from within Microsoft.

It didn't work as he promised, now they will be going down another route to attempt to make money.

Satya cares about making money, not gamepass. Gamepass will die the same time xbox does as its just not relevant anywhere else. If Satya can bring in the profits ABK used to while just selling on pc, playstation and Nintendo he wouldn't bat an eye at the cloud.

I for one won't be paying for the sub service while the gamepass mentality of just get content out still exists.

They're going multiplatform to boost short term and medium term profits.

Their ultimate goal remains the same.

A gamepass bolstered by Bethesda and ABK. They just know they can't run the company into the ground while they try and make this shift.

That's the reason he hasn't been fired despite the failure of Xbox. It's why they went through with the ABK deal even though they could have bailed out.

 

[jm89]

Xbox era podcast host saying something happening tomorrow. No idea if this guy has a good track record.

 

[SkylineRKR]

MS doesn't cater to a vocal minority. They want returns on their investments. Series didn't take off as much as they would've liked, Gamepass isn't growing as exponentially as they liked.

The logical way going forward is multiplatform. You don't buy Zenimax and ABK and lock these age old IP and especially GaaS games on one ecosystem. It really doesn't make sense. If they wanted exclusivity, they would've purchased different studios or startups with the prospects of new IP.

Case by case basis is what they start out with. But they see the numbers, Starfield probably didn't cause the waves they anticipated. The only way to make this acquisition worthwhile is to release those games on every system and gain persistent MTX revenues on top. If they would release TES 6 on Xbox only (with the relatively small userbase it has) they would lose 20 million Playstation gamers with many of them also buying its DLC.

If Xbox sold PS5 numbers, the situation would've been different perhaps. But it sells worse than Xbox One at this rate.

 

[odhiex]

This is weird and sad at the same time.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Sure, console gamers will stay on console. Only a tiny fraction of the Xbox installbase will move to PC.

Yes, it's a hybrid, so it counts as a console.

That's why Xbox is in 3rd place, not 2nd.

Nintendo doesn't aim at the same target audience as Sony/MS. They have positioned themselves as a "necessary second console" for exclusives.

The matter is that development costs are so high that it might be impossible for two companies to compete in the same segment.

MS had the chance to compete head-to-head with Playstation, had they stuck to great exclusives, as they did in the 360 gen. But then, business vultures decided to set the brand on a different path. Whether this was the initial plan all along or something changed, we don't know. Clearly it was the wrong one.

 

[DJ12]

They're going multiplatform to boost short term and medium term profits.

Their ultimate goal remains the same.

A gamepass bolstered by Bethesda and ABK. They just know they can't run the company into the ground while they try and make this shift.

That's the reason he hasn't been fired despite the failure of Xbox. It's why they went through with the ABK deal even though they could have bailed out.

I think it's a lot simpler than that.

He hasn't been fired because he's trying to do what Satya asked.

In an ideal world (for ms) series x would've thrived, gamepass would be subbed by everyone on the platform and money would ve rolling in.

In reality games are being released unfinished or just dog shite. Phil said great games don't sell consoles, but I think we've seen with that bad games can kill sales.

Series X was too expensive to make, and not really any better than playstation 5 despite this.

I don't think that can be pinned on Phil.

I don't think gamepass drying up can be attributed to Phil.

I think you can attribute the gamepass seal of quality to him as pretty sure he's forced some shit out unfinished, but what other choice did he have at this point.

It's more likely other people will get fired, like booty and the guy that was in charge of the hardware design.

 

[Fredrik]

Read the whole post. He’s right. 100% spot on. They’ve messed this up badly enough that the Xbox One DRM seem like yet another bad take an ordinary monday.
They need to talk. Not in the spring. Now. Or rather a month ago. They can’t stay quiet til the spring, that’s plain dumb.
And knowing them they’ll do some bullshit ”We hear you” speech and try to calm people, Phil will do some interviews with 3000 words saying nothing new and then they’ll go on with their plan and the platform will shrink even more.

I’m just glad I stopped investing in software. My loss this gen if they go under is the plastic. Even my Gamepass sub ends in a couple days so my investment ends on all fronts this month.

 

[DJ12]

Read the whole post. He’s right. 100% spot on. They’ve messed this up badly enough that the Xbox One DRM seem like yet another bad take an ordinary monday.
They need to talk. Not in the spring. Now. Or rather a month ago. They can’t stay quiet til the spring, that’s plain dumb.
And knowing them they’ll do some bullshit ”We hear you” speech and try to calm people, Phil will do some interviews with 3000 words saying nothing new and then they’ll go on with their plan and the platform will shrink even more.

I’m just glad I stopped investing in software. My loss this gen if they go under is the plastic. Even my Gamepass sub ends in a couple days so my investment ends on all fronts this month.

I didn't say he was wrong. The gif still applies.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Nintendo doesn't aim at the same target audience as Sony/MS. They have positioned themselves as a "necessary second console" for exclusives.

The matter is that development costs are so high that it might be impossible for two companies to compete in the same segment.

MS had the chance to compete head-to-head with Playstation, had they stuck to great exclusives, as they did in the 360 gen. But then, business vultures decided to set the brand on a different path. Whether this was the initial plan all along or something changed, we don't know. Clearly it was the wrong one.

Yes, but thing is, when Nintendo seperated itself, there were 3 consoles.

Don't like Nintendo, you buy Xbox or PS.

Don't like PS, you buy Xbox or Nintendo.

Don't Xbox, you buy PS or Nintendo.

With only two, there is less choice:

Don't like Nintendo, there's PS.

Don't like PS, there's Nintendo.

When Xbox leaves, exclusives and 3rd party become extremely important.

We've seen what happened with Nintendo's focus on the casual market with WiiU. It was an instant flop.
So the entire console demographic is very important. Something we see in the 3rd party support on Switch.

This will be even more so the case if Sony does indeed decide to re-enter the handheld market, going by the report that Sony is supposedly working on a Vita 2. Even Portal, to some extent.

Then again, maybe you're right and two companies competing in the same segment won't work, but then there is no problem with just Nintendo, Playstation and PC.

 

[Melee Attack]

Xbox fans until now:
-Console sales don't matter
-Game sales don't matter
-Market share don't matter

Xbox fans now: WTF are you doing Microsoft, why are you going third party

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I think it's a lot simpler than that.

He hasn't been fired because he's trying to do what Satya asked.

In an ideal world (for ms) series x would've thrived, gamepass would be subbed by everyone on the platform and money would ve rolling in.

In reality games are being released unfinished or just dog shite. Phil said great games don't sell consoles, but I think we've seen with that bad games can kill sales.

Series X was too expensive to make, and not really any better than playstation 5 despite this.

I don't think that can be pinned on Phil.

I don't think gamepass drying up can be attributed to Phil.

I think you can attribute the gamepass seal of quality to him as pretty sure he's forced some shit out unfinished, but what other choice did he have at this point.

It's more likely other people will get fired, like booty and the guy that was in charge of the hardware design.

When you look at the e-mail that have leaked, you can tell that Phil Spencer is the biggest Xbox fanboy. He doesn't want to put Starfield on PS5. That isn't and wasn't his plan.

He planned the Bethesda and ABK deals in order to change the narrative, but what Microsoft has realized is that they ran out of time. Xbox Series sales are abysmal. Maybe if they were able to get COD exclusive right away that could have been changed, but that's not the case.

Phil has failed most of his objectives, but he hasn't been fired.

His bigger problem is the lack of GamePass subscribers as it relates to Nadella, who I repeat doesn't care about console sales, he just wants revenue and profit, he doesn't care how they do it.

Phil has now told Nadella that Xbox is dead, but he'll still get GamePass and Xbox cloud and mobile going. That's why he hasn't been fired.

I tried to explain to people before that Xbox wants to be on mobile, which is why Sarah Bond came out against Apple. They want to leverage a gaming and their other apps to have a Windows Store on Android and iOS. That's REAL money, but not if half their revenue is going to Apple. If Apple succeeds in charging for off market sales, Google will do the same.

The only thing Nadella said in terms of Phil's failures are that with ABK, he needs to stand on his own legs moving forward. THAT is why Microsoft suddenly is going to make games multiplatform. That's why they did layoffs right away.

Xbox no longer has the support of the parent company and it has to survive on its own. And Xbox console hardware is like a gangrene leg... you have to amputate or risk dying.

Sarah Bond is going to be responsible for Xbox on iOS and Android, as well as streaming to devices like TVs, computers, and tablets. They'll keep Xbox alive for as long as they can, but only with the smallest amount of money going towards it. Limited production, direct to consumer sales, no exclusives.

 

[Clear]

If one were to steelman for some form of multi-platform distribution, versus steelman the argument for total exclusivity, the former is always going to look like the better approach.

The simple logic is that while these outside platforms exist, there remains an untapped market to address and expand into. Its more income for reduced expenditure as the product sent to service these markets is basically spun-off from existing content created for the primary business. Furthermore it increases brand awareness and visibility, which has to be a real benefit for what is looking to be an operation that is almost completely digitally distributed.

On the other hand, the platform exclusivity model boils down to taking all the risk for all the reward. Its potentially better, but it very much hinges on the overall success of the parent platform, because obviously if that isn't doing great then its inevitably going to hold back everything on it.

A mixed approach has to be the right business move, especially when games sales/revenue outside of service titles are heavily front-loaded, and with service games being kind of mini platforms in themselves... It seems like a no-brainer to me to use exclusivity tactically, not as a standard practice.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Yes, but thing is, when Nintendo seperated itself, there were 3 consoles.

Don't like Nintendo, you buy Xbox or PS.

Don't like PS, you buy Xbox or Nintendo.

Don't Xbox, you buy PS or Nintendo.

With only two, there is less choice:

Don't like Nintendo, there's PS.

Don't like PS, there's Nintendo.

When Xbox leaves, exclusives and 3rd party become extremely important.

We've seen what happened with Nintendo's focus on the casual market with WiiU. It was an instant flop.
So the entire console demographic is very important. Something we see in the 3rd party support on Switch.

This will be even more so the case if Sony does indeed decide to re-enter the handheld market, going by the report that Sony is supposedly working on a Vita 2. Even Portal, to some extent.

Then again, maybe you're right and two companies competing in the same segment won't work, but then there is no problem with just Nintendo, Playstation and PC.

Nintendo is in a really bad position too. Obviously not as bad as Microsoft, but Sony has proven that they can compete in handhelds with the PSP.

Now Nintendo created a template for Sony to have success again in the handheld market.

Sony just needs to expand their platform to include their own version of a Switch Lite. Sold for profit, it doesn't even really matter how many units it sells. The reality though is every PS5-Handheld lite that is sold is someone not buying a Switch 2.

Right now Sony understands for example in Japan, they aren't selling software that they could be selling. You look at Final Fantasy 16, maybe the game sells twice as well in Japan if they have a handheld version.

A PS5 handheld could outsell the PS5 in Japan alone. Let's just say adding an additional 10-20 million units to the PS5 family of systems and the PS5 was already going to sell 130 million units. Now add an extra 10 million in North America and Europe... Now the PS5 family has reached 150 million units.

Sony can compete with Nintendo, Nintendo as it exists today struggles to compete with Sony head to head.

It's why I think the Switch 2 following the same format as the Switch will ultimately be seen as a mistake. They should put out a handheld and a console separately again. A console that can compete with the PS5, garner Xbox support, and play high res versions of the handheld games. Release the handheld for as cheap as you can.

The Switch 2 won't even be as powerful as an XSS, yet it'll be more expensive... That's not going to help you eat into the console marketshare that Microsoft is leaving up for grabs.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Read the whole post. He’s right. 100% spot on. They’ve messed this up badly enough that the Xbox One DRM seem like yet another bad take an ordinary monday.
They need to talk. Not in the spring. Now. Or rather a month ago. They can’t stay quiet til the spring, that’s plain dumb.
And knowing them they’ll do some bullshit ”We hear you” speech and try to calm people, Phil will do some interviews with 3000 words saying nothing new and then they’ll go on with their plan and the platform will shrink even more.

I’m just glad I stopped investing in software. My loss this gen if they go under is the plastic. Even my Gamepass sub ends in a couple days so my investment ends on all fronts this month.

Microsoft admitting now that they're going multiplatform will shutter any remaining sales they have.

There is no advantage to advertising that earlier than they have to.

They still have unsold XSS and XSX that they need to sell.

Your average consumer doesn't know they're likely going multiplatform and you still have console warriors in denial.

They will give a we hear you speech to try and placate the fanboys, but they don't care at the end of the day. At first it'll be just minor games going to PS5 and Switch and games that were already MP. Then it'll be catalog titles, and then it will be day 1 launches. This is going to be a multi year process, that probably won't be "done" until the end of the generation.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

This guy is the worst.

He just tells everyone their lying.


I lost a lot of respect for Shinobi when he went all SJW, but the fact that Tim hates him makes me like him more.

 

[Astray]

This guy is the worst.

He just tells everyone their lying.

He's infamous here for being deeply delusional lol.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

He's infamous here for being deeply delusional lol.

It's interesting how much he notched things up since he got banned. He was clearly on his "best" behavior here.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

This guy is the worst.

He just tells everyone their lying.


I lost a lot of respect for Shinobi when he went all SJW, but the fact that Tim hates him makes me like him more.

"who cares about the brand"?

 

[Heisenberg007]

Everything reaks of phil not onboard with this stuff, greenberg and booty probably punching air right now.

Sara doesn't have the history of fighting sony, so alot easier for her to be the one to lead on this strategy.

This shit is above Phil's and Aaron's paygrade. People keep ignoring the fact that it is not just "Xbox" anymore. It is "Microsoft Gaming."

Xbox took so much money from Microsoft (because of Game Pass, HW subsidy, Acquisitions, etc.) that Xbox leadership lost control. Now it's Microsoft leadership calling the shots, and they demand profits ... and blood.

 

[Mr Moose]

So the same should apply to Starfield then. Drop your prediction. When is it showing up? Here is mine. They're never bringing that shit to Playstation since it's an evergreen title and entices customers to consider their console.

What? No. It's not Mario Kart. It's not even in the charts.

 

[icerock]

I can't speak for Starfield but I know he has wanted their MP games on PS for a long time and Gamepass on PS of which Sony had said no

I have brought that subject up many times over the years here and on a few occasions I guess got reported for console warring for saying it

This is complete opposite of what I know, Phil is very much part of the old guard. He is a traditionalist, he believes in larger vision of an expanded ecosystem for sure. But, he also recognizes the importance of a platform, and the big money it draws in. You just need to recall his giddy/excited mail he wrote to Nadella on eve of PS5 reveal. That does not happen if you do not believe in hardware or the importance of a platform. Problem is, he is too incompetent to execute it.

All Bethedsa/Zenimax titles were taken exclusive the moment transaction was approved, they didn't want to say it outright in the public. This was Phil's call, we have emails which prove it. Furthermore, when it came to ABK, he only stretched out a 3 year deal to Sony. And, even that was guided by army of lawyers as a necessity to get the merger through. After the said period, Call of Duty was going to be exclusive to Xbox. In a world where no anti-trust bodies exist, and he had his way, everything would be exclusive. And, that was their plan with consolidation of publishers, evently use their money as MOAT to drive PlayStation out of the market.

There have been rumblings in the past, when Xbox was very much on it's last legs, that leadership was considering stretching to other platforms to save the business. But, this was prior to Satya getting onboard with GP and the future they sold. Maybe that's where you're getting your info from? As things stand, Phil has lost out to higher head honchos in regards to these decisions and everything you are hearing and reading is coming from people above him. Phil didn't want any of this to happen.

 

[Little Chicken]

So apparently this was all a lie.

 

[jm89]

Phil has lost out to higher head honchos in regards to these decisions and everything you are hearing and reading is coming from people above him. Phil didn't want any of this to happen.

Probably explains why his been so quiet.

Can't damage control something that he doesn't want to.

 

[Fredrik]

Microsoft admitting now that they're going multiplatform will shutter any remaining sales they have.

There is no advantage to advertising that earlier than they have to.

They still have unsold XSS and XSX that they need to sell.

Your average consumer doesn't know they're likely going multiplatform and you still have console warriors in denial.

They will give a we hear you speech to try and placate the fanboys, but they don't care at the end of the day. At first it'll be just minor games going to PS5 and Switch and games that were already MP. Then it'll be catalog titles, and then it will be day 1 launches. This is going to be a multi year process, that probably won't be "done" until the end of the generation.

With physical games getting removed from stores they kinda remove the whole platform from retail. Best case scenario is a lonely pile of XSX and XSS with some Gamepass sub cards and controllers in a corner. It doesn’t matter that the whole industry will get there eventually. It’ll look like the platform is dead, which will kill it faster. MS are doing this transition too early. And in a bad way of letting social media console war deliver the message rather than them controlling it themselves. A multi-year process of this doesn’t help. And waiting til the spring is definitely not a good idea. They had some hype after the direct. Everything has now been replaced by how they’re releasing their games on PS/SW.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Probably explains why his been so quiet.

Can't damage control something that he doesn't want to.

Phil Spencer:

 

[Bernoulli]

we are not enough

 

[Mibu no ookami]

With physical games getting removed from stores they kinda remove the whole platform from retail. Best case scenario is a lonely pile of XSX and XSS with some Gamepass sub cards and controllers in a corner. It doesn’t matter that the whole industry will get there eventually. It’ll look like the platform is dead, which will kill it faster. MS are doing this transition too early. And in a bad way of letting social media console war deliver the message rather than them controlling it themselves. A multi-year process of this doesn’t help. And waiting til the spring is definitely not a good idea. They had some hype after the direct. Everything has now been replaced by how they’re releasing their games on PS/SW.

Trying to explain to you this isn't happening overnight.

They don't want Xboxes sitting in warehouses or shelves in stores.

They haven't stopped physical releases in retail yet either.

This is why they haven't announced anything. It can only get worse for them, it can't get better. How does announcing going multiplatform now rather than later help them sell XSX and XSS?

 

[Elios83]

Is there something at all to adress?

Xbox PR team had 1 full month of silence to salvage some credible propaganda and all they've come up with are those weak seeds from 'ex-workers' and Windows Central (new Xbox rumours). Precisely 1 week before the rumored Nin Direct where SoT and Hi-Fi Rush will become multiplat.

FFS! Xbox! Be frank with your userbase at least for a second. You have a $90bn hole in your pocket and the sheer size of Xbox as a platform won't cover your receipts. Tell that directly, instead of hastily ivented half-truths about monumental strategy shifts in Gaming Division. Maybe your fans would be at least more understanding.

While the truth is obvious, (they spent and expanded too much for the business to be viable if restricted to a failed console brand and they thought that Gamepass would carry hardware sales among casuals but that hasn't happened in the slightest) they are never going to tell that bluntly.

They will state that it has been a few years of them saying clearly that it was always about bringing games to everyone and that growing by reaching a big audience is the real metric of success hence more games than before will arrive on previously competing platforms from now on.
They will be vague on the amount of titles and timing of releases going full multiplatform, they might throw a bone about them not dropping hardware to calm down the toxic side of the fanbase they cultivated online but it will be a moot point, they're announcing a change in strategy.

 

[Fredrik]

Trying to explain to you this isn't happening overnight.

They don't want Xboxes sitting in warehouses or shelves in stores.

They haven't stopped physical releases in retail yet either.

This is why they haven't announced anything. It can only get worse for them, it can't get better. How does announcing going multiplatform now rather than later help them sell XSX and XSS?

I don’t think they will announce them going multi-platform, that’s the social media console war talk, I think they’ll do multiplat releases either through Gamepass subscriptions or with rare small titles they think don’t matter. But until they actually talk about it all we’ll hear is the extreme scenarios. That’s why talking sooner rather than later is important.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

This is complete opposite of what I know, Phil is very much part of the old guard. He is a traditionalist, he believes in larger vision of an expanded ecosystem for sure. But, he also recognizes the importance of a platform, and the big money it draws in. You just need to recall his giddy/excited mail he wrote to Nadella on eve of PS5 reveal. That does not happen if you do not believe in hardware or the importance of a platform. Problem is, he is too incompetent to execute it.

All Bethedsa/Zenimax titles were taken exclusive the moment transaction was approved, they didn't want to say it outright in the public. This was Phil's call, we have emails which prove it. Furthermore, when it came to ABK, he only stretched out a 3 year deal to Sony. And, even that was guided by army of lawyers as a necessity to get the merger through. After the said period, Call of Duty was going to be exclusive to Xbox. In a world where no anti-trust bodies exist, and he had his way, everything would be exclusive. And, that was their plan with consolidation of publishers, evently use their money as MOAT to drive PlayStation out of the market.

There have been rumblings in the past, when Xbox was very much on it's last legs, that leadership was considering stretching to other platforms to save the business. But, this was prior to Satya getting onboard with GP and the future they sold. Maybe that's where you're getting your info from? As things stand, Phil has lost out to higher head honchos in regards to these decisions and everything you are hearing and reading is coming from people above him. Phil didn't want any of this to happen.

100% disagree because I heard it from Phils and Ybarras mouths on what their vision was

Phil approached Sony before about gamepass being on Playstation, he has approached Sony before about some of their MP games on Playstation

As far as COD goes Ybarra was the one who implored Phil to back the cash truck up and get CODs as some sort of timed exclusive towards Xbox and he never wanted to split the player base

I will die on these hills no matter what was said in emails or in interviews, I know what was said between friends just shooting the shit

 

[Lions Gate]

we are not enough

it's so satisfying seeing these clowns eating themselves

 

[Astray]

Nintendo is in a really bad position too. Obviously not as bad as Microsoft, but Sony has proven that they can compete in handhelds with the PSP.

Now Nintendo created a template for Sony to have success again in the handheld market.

Sony just needs to expand their platform to include their own version of a Switch Lite. Sold for profit, it doesn't even really matter how many units it sells. The reality though is every PS5-Handheld lite that is sold is someone not buying a Switch 2.

Right now Sony understands for example in Japan, they aren't selling software that they could be selling. You look at Final Fantasy 16, maybe the game sells twice as well in Japan if they have a handheld version.

A PS5 handheld could outsell the PS5 in Japan alone. Let's just say adding an additional 10-20 million units to the PS5 family of systems and the PS5 was already going to sell 130 million units. Now add an extra 10 million in North America and Europe... Now the PS5 family has reached 150 million units.

Sony can compete with Nintendo, Nintendo as it exists today struggles to compete with Sony head to head.

It's why I think the Switch 2 following the same format as the Switch will ultimately be seen as a mistake. They should put out a handheld and a console separately again. A console that can compete with the PS5, garner Xbox support, and play high res versions of the handheld games. Release the handheld for as cheap as you can.

The Switch 2 won't even be as powerful as an XSS, yet it'll be more expensive... That's not going to help you eat into the console marketshare that Microsoft is leaving up for grabs.

I still think that a Switch 2 isn't the slam dunk most people think it is.

There's going to be a handheld war going on, between Steam, all the gaming laptop brands and whoever else wants to throw their hat into the ring, there will be a lot of fighting on that front and it's about to become a far redder ocean than Nintendo is anticipating.

Add to that the fact that there's no real reason to buy a Switch 2 if you still haven't played all the hits of Switch 1, not to mention the high suggested price of $400.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I don’t think they will announce them going multi-platform, that’s the social media console war talk, I think they’ll do multiplat releases either through Gamepass subscriptions or with rare small titles they think don’t matter. But until they actually talk about it all we’ll hear is the extreme scenarios. That’s why talking sooner rather than later is important.

That semantics is console war talk.

If they announce exclusive games for PlayStation, that's the same as announcing they're going multiplatform.

There might never be a day where they say "we're multiplatform," that doesn't mean they aren't though.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I still think that a Switch 2 isn't the slam dunk most people think it is.

There's going to be a handheld war going on, between Steam, all the gaming laptop brands and whoever else wants to throw their hat into the ring, there will be a lot of fighting on that front and it's about to become a far redder ocean than Nintendo is anticipating.

Add to that the fact that there's no real reason to buy a Switch 2 if you still haven't played all the hits of Switch 1, not to mention the high suggested price of $400.

Switch 2 doesn't have any competition from Steamdeck.

Where Switch 2 has competition is getting people with Switch 1 to upgrade. Historically people who already have Mario Kart aren't going to update to a whole new system just because it has Mario Kart with nicer graphics. Graphics weren't the sell to begin with. Especially if the device is really expensive i.e. 400+

If Sony can come out and put out a pure handheld that is PS4 Pro levels with an SSD with the ability to play PS5 games w/scaled down resolution, and price it favorably against the Switch 2, I think Nintendo would be in a lot of trouble.

They're caught in between of not being as powerful as a console and not being as cheap as a handheld. If they aren't smart, sony will beat them from both angles.

 

[Fredrik]

That semantics is console war talk.

If they announce exclusive games for PlayStation, that's the same as announcing they're going multiplatform.

There might never be a day where they say "we're multiplatform," that doesn't mean they aren't though.

It’s quite a bit different to come out and announce that - Hifi Rush and Sea of Thieves will be available on Playstation and Switch if you have a Gamepass subscription - than announcing that - Gears of War, Forza, Fable, Indiana Jones, Hellblade 2, Halo, Avowed etc will go multi-platform.
They need to control the message. They aren’t doing that now. You just made a thread asking which Xbox games people want on PS5 and Switch, listing the biggest of the biggest titles. That’s what’s happening when nobody talks.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

It’s quite a bit different to come out and announce that - Hifi Rush and Sea of Thieves will be available on Playstation and Switch if you have a Gamepass subscription - than announcing that - Gears of War, Forza, Fable, Indiana Jones, Hellblade 2, Halo, Avowed etc will go multi-platform.
They need to control the message. They aren’t doing that now. You just made a thread asking which Xbox games people want on PS5 and Switch, listing the biggest of the biggest titles. That’s what’s happening when nobody talks.

They won't be released via GamePass. They'll be sold individually.

Again, whether they say it today or in 6 months, how does saying it now help them sell Xbox units?

 

[xHunter]

So apparently this was all a lie.

 

[Topher]

So apparently this was all a lie.

According to?

 

[HeWhoWalks]

I thought all of gaf had pcs...my heads in a whirlwind right now at all this port begging.

I thought you wished every game was play anywhere?

 

[DenchDeckard]

I thought you wished every game was play anywhere?

I do. What are you trying to say?

 

[Topher]

I thought all of gaf had pcs...

How have you missed all those console vs PC debates here on GAF? Or do you just make up that line when it is convenient?