mansoor1980
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Digital Foundry-PS5 Pro: How Did Sony Beat Microsoft In Machine Learning For Consoles?
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FIREKNIGHT2029
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Sony has been beating MS in everything so this isn't really surprising. There isn't a single area in gaming right now where you can objectively say MS is ahead of Sony.
mrcroket
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Backward compatibility.
FIREKNIGHT2029
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I'll give them that but unfortunately MS has pretty much abandoned BC this gen.
Imtjnotu
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diffusionx
Gold Member
I know DF likes Microsoft because they give them great access, but they need to see the writing on the wall here. It's likely the end for Microsoft consoles and they're not going to sink R&D resources into it the way Sony is.
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Fredrik
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Maybe but they do talk about another generation so it’ll be awhile before they’re fully out.
It’ll be interesting to see what they’ll have in the next one. If the Series X silicone was decided in 2016 like DF says we’re talking about 4 years from decision to launch. Means they might’ve decided on ”Series 2” in 2022 if they go with a similar dev time for a 2026 launch as rumoured.
MisterXDTV
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Digital Foundry loves Xbox more than Microsoft does, that's for sure
Absolutely cringe to see what's supposed to be impartial journalism so biased towards one side
Absolutely cringe to see what's supposed to be impartial journalism so biased towards one side
LordOfChaos
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It's interesting how much Sony adds to and even influences AMD's future GPU roadmaps with the added work they do
I wonder how much graphics chops they would have as an independent apart from customizing AMD's
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Remember the console launch time and the FUD and chest-thumping about Xbox Series's Machine Learning capabilities and that "PS5 didn't have Machine Learning"?
Ah ... good ol' times.
Ah ... good ol' times.
Bojji
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What? Where they used it?
Microsoft was talking about using ai part in Xbox series for ML and image reconstruction but they didn't do anything with it (so far).
MisterXDTV
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It would be amazing to see but the production cost would be astronomical for Sony...
It makes much more sense to work in conjunction with AMD
Negotiator101
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First party studios.
"But while major projects are currently under development, we do not plan to release any new major existing franchise titles next fiscal year like God of War: Ragnarok and Marvel Spider-Man 2."
laugh it up
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LordOfChaos
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Yeah I'm just curious how much of a graphics house they have in-house, regardless of feasibility as a standalone. They were going to do an in-house GPU with Toshiba for the PS3 but we all know how that went, but their additions to AMD GPUs since then have been interesting and the two even work together on future pipelines, so it's interesting that Sony who doesn't make GPUs has something to add to an expert company like AMD
MisterXDTV
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And they are already desperate....
Be prepared for the RTX 5090 vs PS5 Pro comparisons this Christmas....
They will hide comparisons with Series X as usual
The Pleasure
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Thanks. I needed a good laugh.
Mr Moose
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Spider-Man MM/2.
Spider-Man: Miles Morales' Muscle Update Utilizes Machine Learning
A developer from Insomniac Games explains how real-time simulated muscle deformation is possible in Spider-Man: Miles Morales on the PS5.
gamerant.com
This maybe?
Real-Time Neural Texture Upsampling in God of War Ragnarok on PS5
I remember in the start of the generation when Sony said PS5 is capable of running machine learning inference for use in games. We have seen a few Sony studios use machine learning inference at runtime in their games. Spiderman for muscle deformation, Horizon FW in their temporal upsampling and...
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Or announced.
Negotiator101
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They have far more first-party studio's, that's a fact. Maybe you should see a Doctor for a PBA diagnosis?
The Pleasure
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They bought all these first party studios yet all we getting is ham. Where's the shit they promised since Phil Spender took over?
Negotiator101
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I hate to break it to you but PS Studios aren't exactly setting the world on fire currently. However with Xbox bringing games to PS you should hope Xbox lifts their game, I think they just might
Bojji
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Spider-Man MM/2.
Oh, image reconstruction? No idea.Spider-Man: Miles Morales' Muscle Update Utilizes Machine Learning
A developer from Insomniac Games explains how real-time simulated muscle deformation is possible in Spider-Man: Miles Morales on the PS5.
This maybe?
Real-Time Neural Texture Upsampling in God of War Ragnarok on PS5
I remember in the start of the generation when Sony said PS5 is capable of running machine learning inference for use in games. We have seen a few Sony studios use machine learning inference at runtime in their games. Spiderman for muscle deformation, Horizon FW in their temporal upsampling and...www.neogaf.com
This doesn't have anything to do with image reconstruction like dlss or xess, I thought that is what we were talking about.
And they didn't deliver but they were the first to talk about this on consoles.
JimboJones
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It has nothing to do with DF and MS access, it's ok to ask questions regarding these issues. And Honestly it is surprisingly giving MS huge focus on Ai , MS totally dropped the ball here, they had all the recipe for success or at least to go toe to toe with Sony but I have to imagine they are completely incompetent.
Yes they are, Microsoft is first at being last.
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Heisenberg007
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rodrigolfp
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This is not image reconstruction.
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MAX PAYMENT
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Pretty sure sony uses Microsoft tech for cloud gaming.
Sony and Microsoft to explore strategic partnership - Stories
Companies to collaborate on new cloud-based solutions for gaming experiences and AI solutions TOKYO and REDMOND, Wash. — May 16, 2019 — Sony Corporation (Sony) and Microsoft Corp. (Microsoft) announced on Thursday that the two companies will partner on new innovations to enhance customer...
news.microsoft.com
Horseganador
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Sony has a roadmap and follows it, with Xbox it gives the feeling that not even they know what to do, now they are supposed to release a digital SX (something that Sony launched 4 years ago) and a renewed controller copying the Dualsense from 2020 while Sony already has its PS5 pro ready.
Fabieter
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Pretty sure sony uses Microsoft tech for cloud gaming.
Sony and Microsoft to explore strategic partnership - Stories
Companies to collaborate on new cloud-based solutions for gaming experiences and AI solutions TOKYO and REDMOND, Wash. — May 16, 2019 — Sony Corporation (Sony) and Microsoft Corp. (Microsoft) announced on Thursday that the two companies will partner on new innovations to enhance customer...
That went nowhere. It's not ms tech.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Pretty sure sony uses Microsoft tech for cloud gaming.
Sony and Microsoft to explore strategic partnership - Stories
Companies to collaborate on new cloud-based solutions for gaming experiences and AI solutions TOKYO and REDMOND, Wash. — May 16, 2019 — Sony Corporation (Sony) and Microsoft Corp. (Microsoft) announced on Thursday that the two companies will partner on new innovations to enhance customer...
They don't.
But on other areas:
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Zathalus
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Never happened. They use AWS at the moment.Pretty sure sony uses Microsoft tech for cloud gaming.
Sony and Microsoft to explore strategic partnership - Stories
Companies to collaborate on new cloud-based solutions for gaming experiences and AI solutions TOKYO and REDMOND, Wash. — May 16, 2019 — Sony Corporation (Sony) and Microsoft Corp. (Microsoft) announced on Thursday that the two companies will partner on new innovations to enhance customer...
Physiognomonics
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All those critics about why MS isn't releasing a AI upscaling based machine could be applied to Sony.
Why would MS didn't think about releasing a mid-gen machine with TOPs power to do AI upscaling right now when they could? Why would they need to do that years after Sony? Alex says Sony saw how valid was DLSS solution for videogames, why MS didn't realize it? Didn't they release a mid-gen machine 4 years after XB1 last time with more compute and async? Why not releasing a mid-gen machine 4 years later (this year) with TOPs capabilities enough for AI upscaling?
Why would MS didn't think about releasing a mid-gen machine with TOPs power to do AI upscaling right now when they could? Why would they need to do that years after Sony? Alex says Sony saw how valid was DLSS solution for videogames, why MS didn't realize it? Didn't they release a mid-gen machine 4 years after XB1 last time with more compute and async? Why not releasing a mid-gen machine 4 years later (this year) with TOPs capabilities enough for AI upscaling?
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simpatico
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Imagine being Microsoft. Home to one of the very largest gaming audiences in the world: Windows users. But you don’t give a shit about this. No. You want to build this functionally gimped spin-off gaming platform. Enter Xbox. You spend billions trying to figure out how many features to cut from Windows to cram it into a small underpowered box that needs constant software maintenance and a huge team of people to manage the feature cutting. You start with the original Xbox, and you slowly start spoon feeding the Windows features back to the Xbox customers with hardware iterations. We’re up to the Xbox Series iteration now, and with this trajectory I estimate we could reach Windows XP level functionality by 2045.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Windows playing more PS games than Sony consoles would like to have a word with you.
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Chukhopops
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DF literally doing the marketing of an unannounced Sony console based on rumors and people still claim they are biased for Ms because they are not enthusiastic enough. Insanity.
No wonder some of you got blocked by Tom Warren and others from DF.
No wonder some of you got blocked by Tom Warren and others from DF.
Bernardougf
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I honestly would love an exaggerated beast to test the market .. try something different... what they have to loose honestly? ... ... this "prime" console market has not been prime for long enough
Mr Moose
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Tom Warren is a MS shill, didn't know he works for DF.