mugurumakensei
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vita's biggest region would be Japan if it follows PSP.Vita hasn't even launched in it's two biggest regions yet ...
vita's biggest region would be Japan if it follows PSP.Vita hasn't even launched in it's two biggest regions yet ...
Xbox was never about games, it was about control of services and content delivery. Games were the Trojan horse.
There is this misled belief on GAF that more power = higher budgets = failing studios. The expenses that go into a game now, are going to be similar next gen. Textures, assets, etc. are made at high resolutions and dumbed down to fit into this 2005 hardware.
2012 hardware will allow us some truly breathtaking IQ.
There is this misled belief on GAF that more power = higher budgets = failing studios. The expenses that go into a game now, are going to be similar next gen. Textures, assets, etc. are made at high resolutions and dumbed down to fit into this 2005 hardware.
2012 hardware will allow us some truly breathtaking IQ.
If Sony were to launch at around the same time as the Loop with higher specs and a stellar first party line up, how is that a bad thing?
vita's biggest region would be Japan if it follows PSP.
Sony hopefully won't have a random tablet and a mega expensive camera bundled in. I still think they can be competitive and offer a great value as a traditional machine. (If they go this route)
Vita hasn't even launched in it's two biggest regions yet ...
The flaw with these sort of numbers is that vague as they are, they don't really tell you anything. 10x what? Fillrate on the GPU? Polygons? Compute performance? Flops on the CPU? etc. Another thing is that raw numbers don't tell you much in the quality of the games these games will put out. Crazy PS2 numbers anyone?
Finally a 5x increase on the NES is not as great as a 5x increase from PS3, they might be the same percentage but the difference is much larger on the second case.
They didn't last time. They only had a powerhouse and still ended up with an outrageously overpriced system.
No camera, no tablet, nothing. Just the system--just like you're wishing them to do again.
NINE HUNDRED AND NINTY NINE US DOLLARS
and I'm not the first person to point this out you, give it up.
As explained above, a notably more powerful machine is a worse thing than the Wii's situation. The Wii was swimming against the tide, but had low-price, killer-app, and something new on it's side.
Specs won't win the battle, and with the way the industry currently stands may work against you. Vita is experiencing that already.
The high cost of the PS3 mostly due to blu-ray and Cell. Unless there's been an announcement i'm unaware of they won't be going into next gen trying to push a new disc format
The following model wasn't done by me. How many polys do you guys think it took to create this model:
8.
Probably 50k
Has this posted yet?
Kotaku is confirming Bluray for the next Xbox and is saying in the ball park of 8 X more powerful than the 360.
Also some new DRM against used games.
http://kotaku.com/5879202/sources-t...t-play-used-games-and-will-introduce-kinect-2
Better multiplat games has been a cornerstone for 360. Having that + 'the usual' high end Sony stuff would be a better position than PS3 was in.
And you're saying 'the industry doesn't want it'. Want what? An easy port to a more powerful system? What are they going to do - notice the game is running better and disable some compiler optimisations? Lower the res?
Casting a more powerful system in the same position as an underpowered system wrt support and ports is nonsense. Pubs will put their next gen games on any system that can run them and that has a worthwhile market.
More power doesn't automatically create higher budgets on its own. However, it provides opportunities for the wealthiest publishers to differentiate their products graphically by dint of additional spending on asset creation, motion capture, high profile VA, and additional labor across the board. This tends to lead to an iterative budget escalation between the largest publishers that leaves smaller publishers unable to compete in terms of presentation.
This is what has eroded much of the middle ground that used to exist between mass-market AAAA blockbusters and small titles aimed at niche audiences.
Perhaps. People on here sound as if their demands for power would result in a similarly-priced system.
You really are over-estimating the public if you think marginal improvements in ports will swing it in the PS4's favour
They didn't last time. They only had a powerhouse and still ended up with an outrageously overpriced system.
No camera, no tablet, nothing. Just the system--just like you're wishing them to do again.
Your number is way too high.8.
Probably 50k
lolTrick question, it's one quad and a few different textures.
Among the general market? No. But there is a part of the market where this stuff is advantageous.
All I'm saying is that I fail to see how a 'high spec' PS4 would be a bad thing - as long as the price is OK at least. As long as it wasn't uncompetitively priced, notably better spec and all that implies in terms of offering a better experience on third party games etc. would improve Sony's position relative to PS3 against 360.
(As for how noticeable all that would be - your scenario was painting a system that was an outlier in terms of power vs Wii-U/720, so I assume scope in that scenario for it to be reasonably apparent - much more so than 360->PS3)
Among the general market? No. But there is a part of the market where this stuff is advantageous.
All I'm saying is that I fail to see how a 'high spec' PS4 would be a bad thing - as long as the price is OK at least. As long as it wasn't uncompetitively priced, notably better spec and all that implies in terms of offering a better experience on third party games etc. would improve Sony's position relative to PS3 against 360.
(As for how noticeable all that would be - your scenario was painting a system that was an outlier in terms of power vs Wii-U/720, so I assume scope in that scenario for it to be reasonably apparent - much more so than 360->PS3)
Among the general market? No. But there is a part of the market where this stuff is advantageous.
All I'm saying is that I fail to see how a 'high spec' PS4 would be a bad thing - as long as the price is OK at least. As long as it wasn't uncompetitively priced, notably better spec and all that implies in terms of offering a better experience on third party games etc. would improve Sony's position relative to PS3 against 360.
(As for how noticeable all that would be - your scenario was painting a system that was an outlier in terms of power vs Wii-U/720, so I assume scope in that scenario for it to be reasonably apparent - much more so than 360->PS3)
This. The Xbox is basically more about MS cockblocking Sony from creating a living room PC environment than video games.
So glad to not be the only one that agrees with this.
This has been the MS plan from the beginning. They don't care about the core gamers they only ever cared about how Sony was gaining so much with the play station brand.
So glad to not be the only one that agrees with this.
This has been the MS plan from the beginning. They don't care about the core gamers they only ever cared about how Sony was gaining so much with the play station brand.
20% power here or there will make no difference
i just remember PS2, GameCube and Xbox. while, the power of the gamecube and xbox probably helped both systems, it certainly wasn't an overriding thing.
The most sensible thing for Sony to do, is fall in line. Hit roughly the same power, the same price, and most importantly the same time. 20% power here or there will make no difference, but the industry needs to home in on the same standards for its own benefit if nothing else.
The battle will be won on services, integration, and differentiation. Sony need to do an awful lot of work on these 3 things, they are still too fractured and the content not distinctive enough. To focus on specs instead would be the same folly they made this time round.
So MS is troll ?
And change the fucking controller in the FPS-happy north american market. There are a ton of gamers out there that avoid the ps3 specifically because of the controller.
The controller is mostly fine, except for the part where my thumbs slide off the analog sticks and the L2 and R2 buttons are mushy and my fingers slide off those too. Fix those 2 things and the controller would be fine.
Yes, and no. We could assume this, but unless we know what the overall specs of the machines are we can't really make any sort of accurate comparison. Looking at the CPUs and GPUs of current gen systems they would both tell you largely different stories for example, so you'd have to look at the hardware as a whole to be able to tell how these systems stand against each other. Another issue I have with these numbers cropping up lately is that they all seem to contradict each other.they tell you that on paper at least the wiiU and nextbox should be very similarly powered machines
Indeed, but I thought your scenario was talking about an outlying PS4?
If Sony can put more power in their system for their budget, at a reasonable price, there's no reason not to, really. I don't know if that would result in an outlying system or something that would fall in line (+20% would not be significant, btw, at all) - but if the scenario was one of an outlier, I don't think it would disadvantage Sony with the above constraint re. price etc.
No, but in the case of Xbox it was quite necessary to establish any credibility and build that 'core' following.
To be clear though, I'm not talking about it being some overriding thing - I'm questioning DECK'ARD's assertions that it would negatively affect the system from a differentiation POV (huh?) and negatively affect third party support (double huh?).
The controller is mostly fine, except for the part where my thumbs slide off the analog sticks and the L2 and R2 buttons are mushy and my fingers slide off those too. Fix those 2 things and the controller would be fine.
What more could developers do to further increase their budgets? Everything they are doing now- orchestral soundtracks, high quality VA, insane amounts of asset creation, etc. - it's all being done NOW. The point is, next-gen will be similar to this gen in terms of development costs. We aren't jumping into the unknown. 1080p is a standard, AA can be done through ED ram, etc.
A Microsoft rep e-mailed me the following statement: "As an innovator we're always thinking about what is next and how we can push the boundaries of technology like we did with Kinect. We believe the key to extending the lifespan of a console is not just about the console hardware, but about the games and entertainment experiences being delivered to consumers. Beyond that we don't comment on rumors or speculation."
Would you please stop partial quoting
Everything points to Sony behind quite far behind Microsoft and Nintendo at the moment.
For the PS4 to have an impact if it is later it would have to be *noticeably* better
which the industry as a whole most definitely does not want to accommodate.
If it isn't noticeably better people will stick with what is already out, that's the main reason the 360 gained. It wasn't that the ports were better to your average consumer, it was because the PS3 didn't offer anything noticeably better in their eyes. It let the 360 continue to build on the headstart it already had.
Its not really dumbing down that's happening. Its just not practical for any type of hardware to load a bunch of 500,000+ poly models that are constantly transforming. And the skill of the modeler is more important than the poly count.
The following model wasn't done by me. How many polys do you guys think it took to create this model:
I don't mean to break anyone's hearts here, but I would like to point out that the rumors about the Wii U power is about near finalized development kits versus the XBOX 3 which still has a couple more iterations to go before reaching final development kits.
The final hardware for the XBOX 3/720/whatever will likely be more powerful than what is currently circulating at the moment.
Of course. That's been said numerous times. Not sure how that would "break any hearts."
That said, MS has continually said in interviews that Kinect and profitability are key points in their console future. I think the writing is on the wall that we're not getting a huge leap.
The final hardware for the XBOX 3/720/whatever will likely be more powerful than what is currently circulating at the moment.
Well informed people like AlStrong as B3D have already said this 6670/"only" 6x increase is too low for next gen xbox. But it's been interesting to see people spin it into a positive thing, and attack the idea of Sony going with a 10x or greater PS4 as seppuku. LOL
I'm pretty sure they will both be 10x increase (or more) over this generation.