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Earthquake in Japan Magnitude 9.0 (Japan ups nuke crisis to lvl7)

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I was always amazed at how good, or at least seemingly good, the Russians have been at propaganda for many decades, and surprised at how it appears that they continue along this course in the post-Soviet era. I mean they seem pretty much on par with the CIA. That "guy touches the boobs of 1000 girls and shake's Putin's hand" thing was probably propaganda as well.
 
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Rur0ni said:
Nice to see the reconstruction efforts. Strong society.
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I've been 2 weeks in the disaster hit areas of Miyagi and Iwate (Sendai, Yuriage, Rikuzentakada, Kesennuma, Ofunato,...) and while clean up efforts have been impressive, they're far from over (really depends on the area). The heaps of rubble are vast, and some of it has absorbed radioactive elements.
Up until now only money to clear rubble and clean up has been set aside. Streets have been cleared and damaged buildings are being torn down, but that's just a precondition to allow reconstruction.
Reconstruction will happen eventually, but in what form and on which scale remains to be seen. Talking to local people made it clear that the central government hasn't done anything yet, and that unless people don't come up with a reconstruction plan of their own, current politicians will be too slow with action. Tohoku people are really some of the most friendly and strongest people I've met in my life.
 
Upsidedown Fuji

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While those images are impressive, but there is still a lot of work to do. As Furoba says, theres plenty of contaminated wreckage that must be taken care of properly before it can be moved.

I have a feeling reconstruction will be very slow and some areas may never be restored. A lot of this happened in poor villages and towns where their populations were alredy getting pretty low. I just don't see people running back to their wrecked towns unless the government steps up and gives incentives for businesses and services to rebuild first.

A lot of it has to do with the horrible indecisiveness of the local and national government. I feel if they really are in the 'ganbare' spirit they would already have plans laid out for reconstruction at the very least. As of today, only 4 of the 31 tusnami hit cties have finalized plans. It's pretty sad.

http://www.japantoday.com/category/...hit-sites-have-finalized-reconstruction-plans
 
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Yeah, the local and national governments have been incredibly wishy-washy about helpin to handle all of this and it's rather ridiculous to me. They really should be expedite about it but Japanese politicans are all full of shit anyway.
 
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I was kind of impressed by a reconstruction plan in Yuriage, Miyagi. Instead of building huge coastal walls, they want to build 'floating" interconnected islands 14m above the ground, including evacuation parking towers, so when a tsunami rolls through, people will be safe. In some cases, a big coastal wall would only increase, rather than decrease damage, apparantly. In between ground level and the island's living space, there would be several ground layers for agriculture. Big focus on energy and food self-sufficiency.

https://sites.google.com/site/yuriagemachicafe/shui-shangrunessansu-ji-hua

By placing several lines of wind power generators on the seafloor, the expect to reduce a tsunami's strenght by about half.
 
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Learned at work today that they are planning on having the entire Fukushima site stable enough to begin removing the fuel by the end of the year.

They've completed work on a steel structure around Unit 1, with which they will test their fuel removal plan.

It was also stated that there was a chance some of the people displaced by the incident would be able to return home, but they were much more vague about this point. Whether or not it happens by the end of the year, this means they've collected enough data to begin making these kinds of decisions (I'm assuming it also means the contamination is low).
 
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FlashFlooder said:
Learned at work today that they are planning on having the entire Fukushima site stable enough to begin removing the fuel by the end of the year.

They've completed work on a steel structure around Unit 1, with which they will test their fuel removal plan.

It was also stated that there was a chance some of the people displaced by the incident would be able to return home, but they were much more vague about this point. Whether or not it happens by the end of the year, this means they've collected enough data to begin making these kinds of decisions (I'm assuming it also means the contamination is low).
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I created a Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=444475

I don't know how active it will be but it is an interesting continuing story to me.

Your report seems quite over-optimistic. 'Steel stucture'? Steel frame but polyester walls.
 
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speculawyer said:
I created a Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=444475

I don't know how active it will be but it is an interesting continuing story to me.

Your report seems quite over-optimistic. 'Steel stucture'? Steel frame but polyester walls.
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Forgive me for trying to relay some relevant info.

They're not trying trying to contain the reactor, they're trying to work out a plan to extract the fuel. And btw, that thin polyester sheet will block the vast majority of radiation particles.


And yes, I am optimistic. So what?
 
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FlashFlooder said:
Learned at work today that they are planning on having the entire Fukushima site stable enough to begin removing the fuel by the end of the year.

They've completed work on a steel structure around Unit 1, with which they will test their fuel removal plan.

It was also stated that there was a chance some of the people displaced by the incident would be able to return home, but they were much more vague about this point. Whether or not it happens by the end of the year, this means they've collected enough data to begin making these kinds of decisions (I'm assuming it also means the contamination is low).
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Good to know! Thanks for the update :)
 
Upsidedown Fuji

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I have seen descrete articles every few weeks or so about how Tepco would like to raise the price of electricty for their customers because they are broke. Well tough shit Tepco, you weren't so broke when you were pulling in money hand over fist with your overpriced energy before the Fukushima disaster and March 11 earthquakes. You deserve nothing from the people. They already gave up their normal lives and some thier property because you decided to cut corners on safety. F you. Here's a more recent article...

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110915a3.html

More ranting by me...
How can Tepco even justify raising their prices for energy when they haven't made any serious efforts in selling off assets, lowering top tier bonuses/saleries, and an overall effort to do the right thing? Energy costs were already expensive and with a weak Japanese economy, a possible 10% sales tax increase by the government to pay for the recovery effort, and the rebuilding of north-eastern Japan. This just isn't going to help anybody but your greedy selves. Way to loook out for #1 asshats. You're going to cause more trouble than you already have. No. Just stop Tepco. Stop.
 
Upsidedown Fuji

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Insane Metal said:
Another quake, 5.3 close to Fukushima.
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Today? I haven't heard anything about it honestly. Must have been harmless.

What the real news of the day is, is the typhoon that ripped through Japan yesterday. Plenty of flooding, landslides, and scared refugees who not more than 6 months ago experienced another water based disaster. I can't imagine how hard those people in North Eastern Japan must be feeling this morning.
 
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It was last night at 10:30pm or so. I felt it in bed when I was just starting to get to sleep. Ignored it and continued on with my Zs!
 
Upsidedown Fuji

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Shouta said:
It was last night at 10:30pm or so. I felt it in bed when I was just starting to get to sleep. Ignored it and continued on with my Zs!
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I see. I guess with all the rest of the stuff thats going on. It must have just been a little bump in the night.
 
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Shouta, where in Japan did you live again? I kinda forgot, but I guess quite close to Fukushima? (the earthquake was apparently 震度1-2 around Tokyo and all that area so I guess you're not there)
 
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I lived in Fukushima before but I lie in Tochigi now because I got a new job. We still get quite a bit of shaking here.
 
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Chiave

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I wonder if more earthquakes can possibly make things worse on site at Fukushima than they already are.

<edit> Oh so that China syndrome thing actually happened? Dizamn
 
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it is possible to think the last earthquake was a hydrovolcanic explosion caused by nuclear fuel touching the underground water vein.
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What? Is that even possible? I mean, if nuclear fuel touched underground water ... well, nothing would happen right, it's water, not gasoline.
 
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And this is what I feared when people were trying to downplay things and say it wasn't anything remotely like Chernobyl. Of course it was different, but different doesn't always mean good.
 
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I didn't want to create a new thread for this, but less than an hour ago there's been a couple big earthquakes near the Mt. Fuji area and it's all been trending on Twitter (jp) since then. I'm still sleepy so I don't know what's going on, but it seems kinda important?

Tokyo and nearby-gaf, you guys alright?
 
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Mik2121 said:
I didn't want to create a new thread for this, but less than an hour ago there's been a couple big earthquakes near the Mt. Fuji area and it's all been trending on Twitter (jp) since then. I'm still sleepy so I don't know what's going on, but it seems kinda important?

Tokyo and nearby-gaf, you guys alright?
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Yeah, magnitude and all has been trending since then. Kinda weird.

Also, the Japan Meteorological Agency is doing a speech today at 9:40 (I still don't have a new TV here so I'll see if I can catch NHK via internet) regarding today's earthquake. Something they usually don't do.

There's also some talk about Mt. Fuji erupting and all that... but again, I woke up now and I haven't read it all, so I'm kinda confused.

People now even linking to this live feed of the Fuji: http://www.fujigoko.tv/live/camera.cgi?n=1

(the Fuji is also trending now)
 
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Good pick up. Quake happened about 20km North East of Fuji, but at a depth of 26km it could relate to the magma reservoir of Fuji. Hopefully it's only a standard tectonic.
 
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Mik2121 said:
Yeah, magnitude and all has been trending since then. Kinda weird.

Also, the Japan Meteorological Agency is doing a speech today at 9:40 (I still don't have a new TV here so I'll see if I can catch NHK via internet) regarding today's earthquake. Something they usually don't do.

There's also some talk about Mt. Fuji erupting and all that... but again, I woke up now and I haven't read it all, so I'm kinda confused.

People now even linking to this live feed of the Fuji: http://www.fujigoko.tv/live/camera.cgi?n=1

(the Fuji is also trending now)
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It would really be something if Mount Fuji were to erupt, also would be a terrible shame since its absolutely beautiful as it is now.
 
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I hadn't even considered the possibility of Mt. Fuji erupting... Although I was woken up by the earthquake this morning, I didn't think it was that big.
 
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AzureNightmare said:
It would really be something if Mount Fuji were to erupt, also would be a terrible shame since its absolutely beautiful as it is now.
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Well, hopefully nothing really happens. I find it hilarious though that in Japan's twitter trends AKB is trending a lot, and only in Tokyo's trends the earthquake is taking up most of the trending spots.


(welp, not anymore... AKB is taking up many spots in Tokyo trends too)


Masked Man said:
I hadn't even considered the possibility of Mt. Fuji erupting... Although I was woken up by the earthquake this morning, I didn't think it was that big.
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In some 40 mins from now (9:40) on NHK there will be a talk/speech from the Japan Meteorological Agency. They should clear it all up. It might just simply be that there are higher chances of something like that happening. But yeah, &#28779;&#23665;&#28784; (volcanic ash) is trending now. There's also this site:

http://www.fujigoko.tv/mtfuji/vol2/index.html

that shows the hazard (endangered?) areas and what could happen.
 
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Mik2121 said:
I didn't want to create a new thread for this, but less than an hour ago there's been a couple big earthquakes near the Mt. Fuji area and it's all been trending on Twitter (jp) since then. I'm still sleepy so I don't know what's going on, but it seems kinda important?

Tokyo and nearby-gaf, you guys alright?
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Hopefully this doesn't become big enough to warrant its own thread. :/
 
Upsidedown Fuji

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Argh please don't errupt Mt. Fuji. You'd totally screw up my view from my livingroom window.

This morning's pair of earthquakes were pretty strong. Glad everything seems to be fine. This all comes on the heels of a report a couple of days ago saying my area is expecting a 70% probability of a huge quake within the next 4 years. Oh boy. :(
 
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Its been a while since my prefecture (Yamanashi) has been close to an epicenter. I just saw some footage of cameras across my area and one focused on Fuji and they shook pretty damn good.

As long as these quakes don't mess up the nuclear reactor in Shizuoka right next door to my prefecture and Tokyo, I'm fine with this. I don't want another Fukushima. Japan would be absolutely fucked if that happened.
 
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Upsidedown Fuji said:
Its been a while since my prefecture (Yamanashi) has been close to an epicenter. I just saw some footage of cameras across my area and one focused on Fuji and they shook pretty damn good.

As long as these quakes don't mess up the nuclear reactor in Shizuoka right next door to my prefecture and Tokyo, I'm fine with this. I don't want another Fukushima. Japan would be absolutely fucked if that happened.
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Haven't the other plants added any additional safety measures since the disaster? I can't imagine they would still be as vulnerable as the Fukushima plants, at least I hope not.
 
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Sorry, didn't mean to 'scare' anyone by bumping this thread. It's just that I wasn't sure this could become 'news' so I decided to post it here instead.

There's still people talking about Mt. Fuji's volcanic ash and all that stuff... hopefully nothing happens.
 
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Haven't the other plants added any additional safety measures since the disaster? I can't imagine they would still be as vulnerable as the Fukushima plants, at least I hope not.
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Besides just being off? Not really. Nothings really changed. They're still in tsunami prone and active fault costal areas...

Here's an overhead image of the Hamaoka plant in Shizuoka run by Chubu Electric not Tepco.
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