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[szaromir]

Half-Life 2 is one of the most vapid, soulless things I have ever experienced. The obvious craft, care, and polish make it incredibly fun to play...and utterly lacking humanity. It's like a game designed by an AI or an alien: perfectly honed, but with no understanding.

I don't think it's really fun to play, either. The gunplay and AI are very poor.

I actually give Beth a lot of crap as a rule but I do think they deserve a lot of credit for setting the standard for open world RPGs. It's unfortunate that they don't do anything that deep or interesting with them though.

I loved Fallout 3 (have yet to play Skyrim), but I think Gothic set the standard of open world RPGs as it came out before Morrowind. There were open world RPGs before that but I don't think they're were modern as they were mostly procedurally generated, fugly and had flat terrain.

 

[Super Smash Bro]

Not a fan of the Uncharted series.

Uncharted isn't even the best game series in its specific sub genre on PS3, as both Infamous and Assassin's Creed are better in most regards. If Uncharted were on Wii where there were no similar games, I could understand players being tricked into thinking it's good, but PS3 owners should know better.

 

[xHAASx]

Not a fan of the Uncharted series.

Not being an Uncharted devotee, is contentious?

 

[Mattiator]

I liked Mass Effect 2 alot more than 1.
Characters, and storywise.
I dislike BF3, but like MW3.
Something about running 5 minutes to just be shot by a camper does not interest me.

 

[snap0212]

Sure why not all of there games have major issues.

GT horrible online brain dead a.i. bumper car driving still a valid strategy after 5 games.

Uncharted horrible combat I would go on record saying it may be the worst 3rd person shooter I've played this gen.

All of insomniac games are meh technically good nothing wrong with them but really lacking in design and come of average. Caveat haven't played R3 yet and the downloadable Ratchet and clank was pretty good.

God of War 2 may be my favorite game ever then there was GOW 3.

I can go on. And honestly they aren't shit but god they are overated I don't think they have one game that is first in class in any Genre and as a first party they should.

Oh and Sony Japan lol.

Ummm. Do you even know what a Publisher is? You have a problem with Sony first party games and third party exclusives. That has nothing to do with Sony as a publisher, they don't make these games. Developers do.

And honestly, you said they were shit. Not as good as you'd like these games to be is different from shit.

 

[A27_StarWolf]

The Elder Scrolls games are boring as shit.

 

[StuBurns]

Uncharted isn't even the best game series in its specific sub genre on PS3, as both Infamous and Assassin's Creed are better in most regards. If Uncharted were on Wii where there were no similar games, I could understand players being tricked into thinking it's good, but PS3 owners should know better.

What? What genre is Uncharted, InFamous and Assassin's Creed exactly? InFamous does have third person shooting in common with Uncharted, but AC has very little in common.

 

[szaromir]

Ah, also not a fan of Blizzard's and Valve's single player efforts at all. They're so focus tested and these devs make sure that the player doesn't get stuck in any part of the game it's vomit inducing. Starcraft 1 was genuinely fun, but Warcraft 3 and Diablo 2 bored me extremely quickly and I dropped them like a rock, haven't touched anything Blizzard since then. After The Orange Box I decided not to play any single player games from Valve as well.

I like Valve's multiplayer titles though.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Now I'm bored.

There are valid reasons for not being interested and invalid reasons. Nobody's saying you HAVE to have vast knowledge of a series of which you have no interest. You are, however, expected to have some vague understanding of the series if you're going to make a comparative statement and subsequently a sweeping statement about said series. You made a comparative statement with Mario games despite clearly knowing nothing about R&C, and you're defending that ludicrous statement by declaring that your ignorance is Sony's fault because they didn't make the series compelling enough for you to NOT be ignorant of it. It's laughable.

I'm certainly laughing pretty hard right about now.

You don't seem to know much about discourse. Having a completely baseless example that displays egregious ignorance on a matter DOES call into question the legitimacy of the rest of your points. You're further digging yourself deeper by doggedly defending your ignorance and blaming it on Sony. You're certainly giving me a much bigger reason to question your statements now that you're being so stubborn in defending it.

Perhaps I just don't feel that there's anything to defend?

I loved Fallout 3 (have yet to play Skyrim), but I think Gothic set the standard of open world RPGs as it came out before Morrowind. There were open world RPGs before that but I don't think they're were modern as they were mostly procedurally generated, fugly and had flat terrain.

You know, you've just reminded me that I've been meaning to play the Gothic series. I actually should have qualified my original comment with "for this console generation" really, since I haven't played the Gothics yet and it's been such a long time since I even played Morrowind.

 

[Dyni Crippler]

Uncharted isn't even the best game series in its specific sub genre on PS3, as both Infamous and Assassin's Creed are better in most regards. If Uncharted were on Wii where there were no similar games, I could understand players being tricked into thinking it's good, but PS3 owners should know better.

Wait, what?

 

[Maleficence]

What? What genre is Uncharted, InFamous and Assassin's Creed exactly? InFamous does have third person shooting in common with Uncharted, but AC has very little in common.

The idea of comparing the 3 because they're all 3rd person is so stupidly simplistic he'd probably think Portal 2 and Killzone were the same genre.

 

[BigDes]

I don't think anyone does. I still can't recall the second halves of both Morrowind and Oblivion, as I only "finished" them once each, and I still haven't finished Skyrim's main story. Actually, I haven't made it past the part where you meet the girl in the inn, which is like the 3rd-ish main story quest.

The over arching lore and meta plot of the Elder Scrolls is really cool and interesting

The actual story in the games less so

 

[TaroYamada]

HD gen Sony/Microsoft have. Disagree about past generations though.

I am talking overall, and Sony and MS certainly did their fair share of harm in the previous gens. MS was charging for Xbox Live last gen for example, or how Sony started that whole 'Let's sell consoles at a loss because we have other businesses to fall back on' which made it more difficult for Nintendo, and particularly Sega to compete since Sega didn't even have successful handhelds to fall back on. I like a lot of the games on PS1/PS2, and I even liked some games on OG Xbox, but now-a-days I am mainly a PC based gamer who plays handhelds to get his Japanese gaming fix, I just disagree with the direction those two companies took the industry.

Particularly Microsoft, it seems everything with them is about monetizing something and creating a new revenue stream. Not that Nintendo is guiltless, they have their fair share of ridiculous bullshat, leaving good games in Japan/Europe, their greedy pricing strategies that got checked into reality with 3DS. You get the idea.

 

[funkystudent]

Valve are just as money hungry and anti competitive as EA.


They are just better at keeping there mouth shut about it.

 

[7threst]

Uncharted isn't even the best game series in its specific sub genre on PS3, as both Infamous and Assassin's Creed are better in most regards. If Uncharted were on Wii where there were no similar games, I could understand players being tricked into thinking it's good, but PS3 owners should know better.

I know, opinons and all... but this is just a bizarre thing to say... how are Infamous and Assassin's Creed in the same genre or sub-genre (I admit, they share some similarities: all three are videogames, in these videogames you are a guy etc... )

 

[szaromir]

You know, you've just reminded me that I've been meaning to play the Gothic series. I actually should have qualified my original comment with "for this console generation" really, since I haven't played the Gothics yet and it's been such a long time since I even played Morrowind.

At this point I would wait for Risen 2, Gothic games were excellent but at the time very janky, Risen iterates on the same formula so it's probably best to start with Piranha Bytes' newest title.

 

[EatinOlives]

I'm certainly laughing pretty hard right about now.

Gah! So you're a troll. I feel duped now. -_-

 

[Derrick01]

Valve are just as money hungry and anti competitive as EA.


They are just better at keeping there mouth shut about it.

You mean steamworks games? The difference there is most people want that so they can search for better prices and still use it on steam. Most people do not want to use EA's shitty client to play a couple of games.

But yes you can draw similar comparisons in that 1 area.

 

[Correctomundo]

That was in reference to the PS3, where every notification BUT tropies could be disabled. Must be due to the fact it was grafted on later in its life and most want them or are apathetic. Though the 360 could improve there too given it's all or nothing on their front, but at least NieR could be fully beaten without anything popping up.

If you were talking about achievements only (the post that you replied to was about trophies), then I guess it's possible to turn them off. On PS3 however you can't turn the trophy notifications off (sadly).

Yes, I see that now. Why people edit my quote to add in a specific reference to trophies, though....

 

[triggaz]

Ummm. Do you even know what a Publisher is? You have a problem with Sony first party games and third party exclusives. That has nothing to do with Sony as a publisher, they don't make these games. Developers do.

And honestly, you said they were shit. Not as good as you'd like these games to be is different from shit.

I have a problem with the games they fund and publish. Better?

 

[Super Smash Bro]

You guys seriously don't consider those three games the same genre? They're all third person parkour action games, with a strong emphasis on vertical platforming. All three have a heavy emphasis on narrative as well.

Obviously, AC isn't a TPS like the other two, and UC isn't an open world like the other two, but that's not enough to say they aren't the same genre. (Prince of Persia is probably in this category, maybe Crackdown as well.)

Parkour? My controversial opinion is you're wrong.

If you saw some dude scale a building, run across the rooftops, jump to the ground and roll into a sprint, would you not call that parkour? Is there a better word that fits what I'm describing, which is a central element to the gameplay of every series I mentioned?

EDIT: If it helps, pretend I didn't use the word "parkour" and just said "vertical platforming" instead.

 

[StuBurns]

Parkour? My controversial opinion is you're wrong.

 

[BigDes]

I wouldn't say there was anything Parkour in what Drake does

 

[jim-jam bongs]

TPPS - Third-person Parkour Simulator

Gah! So you're a troll. I feel duped now. -_-

Possibly a little from column A and a little from column B.

 

[BigDes]

Oh here's one

I vastly prefer male shepard over fem shepard

 

[rhino4evr]

The GTA series is garbage. The only good game in the series is part 4 and that's still just an average game.

FPS games in general are the worst thing to ever happen to gaming. Portal may be the only FPS I enjoy.

Nintendo should go 3rd party.

 

[sykoex]

"Escort missions" usually get a bad wrap but I've enjoyed most of the times I've played a game with this mechanic, in MGS2, ICO, and RE4. In fact back on NES I'd invent my own escort mission in the game Chip 'n' Dale Rescue Rangers. In 2-player mode, you could pick up the other player. I would play 2-player mode on my own and play the game carrying the other character through each stage, setting it down every so often to kill an enemy or reach an item.

 

[Curufinwe]

Uncharted isn't even the best game series in its specific sub genre on PS3, as both Infamous and Assassin's Creed are better in most regards. If Uncharted were on Wii where there were no similar games, I could understand players being tricked into thinking it's good, but PS3 owners should know better.

The storytelling in Infamous is the worst in any Western game this generation. And Assassin's Creed plays nothing like Uncharted.

 

[Super Smash Bro]

The storytelling in Infamous is the worst in any Western game this generation. And Assassin's Creed plays nothing like Uncharted.

Yoshi's Island and VVVVVV don't play anything alike either, but that doesn't mean they aren't from the same genre.

 

[Rahxephon91]

Uncharted is not in the same sub-genre/genre/whatever. Uncharted is a third person cover shooter with platforming elements. It isn't focused on the climbing aspect like Famous and AC are. The game isn't about traversal like those games are. It's really mainly about shooting. I really don't see how they could be considered comparable.

 

[EvB]

Twin Snakes is better than the original *runs for cover*

 

[AcceptableGhost]

Yoshi's Island and VVVVVV don't play anything alike either, but that doesn't mean they aren't from the same genre.

Uncharted is a third person shooter, is Assassin's Creed a third person shooter? (no)

 

[Super Smash Bro]

Uncharted is a third person shooter, is Assassin's Creed a third person shooter? (no)

I wouldn't consider Uncharted a TPS either, even though it has TPS elements, anymore than I would consider Mass Effect 2 an RPG because it has RPG elements.

Spoiler

Genre warz, yay :/

 

[EvB]

By the first Uncharted just a foliage filled homage to gears of war, where instead of controlling a steroid pumped convict, you play a gangly wise cracking explorer?

I always thought the shooty bits were far more prominent than the Tomb Raider bits,

 

[Yagharek]

Uncharted isn't even the best game series in its specific sub genre on PS3, as both Infamous and Assassin's Creed are better in most regards. If Uncharted were on Wii where there were no similar games, I could understand players being tricked into thinking it's good, but PS3 owners should know better.

Disaster: Day of Crisis is more enjoyable to me than any Uncharted.

 

[AcceptableGhost]

I wouldn't consider Uncharted a TPS either, even though it has TPS elements, anymore than I would consider Mass Effect 2 an RPG because it has RPG elements.

Spoiler

Genre warz, yay :/

Uncharted 1 after the slow start with the sub was literally almost nothing but third person shooting sequences one after another (same with the other games too for the most part). The third person shooting sequences are the sequences that actually make Uncharted a game - the "platforming" (lol) and "puzzles" could not even begin to hold up a game alone. Ultimately the platforming was given real purpose by some third person shooting sequences in the second game (which were more vertical every once in a while - or at the very least found more use out of the traversal/combat dynamic than UC1).

 

[highrider]

gears of war and uncharted get a lot of attention, and i like both, but dead space is a better 3rd person shooter. better game as well. if dead space could bring a full package in terms of a good multiplayer and a co-op horde type mode i probably would play it constantly.

 

[ThoughtsOfSpeaking]

Normally I would vehemently disagree with you but I'm in the middle of trying to figure out what just died on my PC and it's an enormous pain in the ass.

I'll have to get back to you once my rage subsides and my PC is working again.

And to the other master racers who can't process a dissenting opinion, I said hassle and expense. I'm well aware that with some time research and a tiny bit of luck you can build a gaming PC that can outperform or at least keep pace with current gen consoles for a similar price point. That is nethier here or there to me. It is inconvienant enough, and as I abhor shooters, have minimal interest in RPG's and don't really like tower defense or RTS games, there isn't really that much greater selection of current gen games on the PC and the ones that are available are mostly console-centric experiences that are just been ported. you may gain a higher framerate and better graphics, but to be significant you need to pay way more than $400 total and even outside of that, even with the "mythical" $5000 rig, for me the differences aren't worth all the things you have to do to get to that point.

So thanks but no thanks. And as for being a paid console troll, I seriously hope that was a joke and your not intentionally that dense. Fucking hell.

 

[Enhasa]

Games would be better if developers focused more on plot and characters and worried less about actual gameplay.

 

[Super Smash Bro]

Games would be better if developers focused more on plot and characters and worried less about actual gameplay.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!

 

[Tain]

I guess I can understand one not being into the areas that the PC excels at, but it's still surprising to me most of the time.

Like, the PC is the best all-in-one Japanese action game platform thanks to emulation. I honestly think that anybody into Japanese action games should learn how to use MAME, at the very least. And then you have the strategy games. And the pipe-hitting competitive first person shooters. And the adventure games. And the doujin action games. And the MMOs. And the big-budget multiplatform ports. And so on.

There are areas where consoles excel for the time being, of course, but I guess I'd assume that someone who straight up never thinks about using a PC for games has narrow taste. Not necessarily bad taste, but narrow.

 

[bengraven]

There is an FPS bubble, and it has to burst. There are only so many times you can remake the same game with the same concepts.

See, I think you're wrong about that. I don't consider FP a genre. FPS, as in "first person shooter" maybe, but as with most other games these days, the genre lines are falling.

But as for FP games failing, they won't. Ever. You can't think of them as just FPS games.

FP is another way of viewing the gamefield. Alongside a third person view or top down or isometric or battlefield view. And none of these views will be going anyway, ever.

 

[EatinOlives]

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!

 

[Kitschkraft]

See, I think you're wrong about that. I don't consider FP a genre. FPS, as in "first person shooter" maybe, but as with most other games these days, the genre lines are falling.

But as for FP games failing, they won't. Ever. You can't think of them as just FPS games.

FP is another way of viewing the gamefield. Alongside a third person view or top down or isometric or battlefield view. And none of these views will be going anyway, ever.

But the guy said FPS....I can only assume he meant that specific style of gameplay, where you shoot things from a first person perspective.

I actually LOVE the first person perspective....outside of Mirrors Edge however, I have a hard time thinking of a game this gen that has used it for anything original.

Would love a first person detective game, or a first person doctor game, or a first person sailing game.....but we are mostly stuck with shooting.

 

[KenOD]

A real shame about the lack of first person perspective outside of shooting and racing, both areas I have since stopped caring about.

Amnesia: The Dark Descent is the last game I can recall really being interested in and that's over a year old now and I have long since given up on new series taking over the reigns left behind by the Myst franchise.

Though if you want a sailing game and don't mind it being a simulator, Sail Simulator 5 has first person mode.

Edit: Though at the same time, there are augmented reality games out there. The fact it's from our perspective does make it first person doesn't it?

 

[Vermillion]

Metroid Prime is not God's gift to man, and I hope that there's never another Prime game. EVER.

No first-person Metroid for me, thanks.

 

[Kitschkraft]

A real shame about the lack of first person perspective outside of shooting and racing, both areas I have since stopped caring about.

Amnesia: The Dark Descent is the last game I can recall really being interested in and that's over a year old now and I have long since given up on new series taking over the reigns left behind by the Myst franchise.

Though if you want a sailing game and don't mind it being a simulator, Sail Simulator 5 has first person mode.

Edit: Though at the same time, there are augmented reality games out there. The fact it's from our perspective does make it first person doesn't it?

I forgot about Amnesia. I started it on onlive but sort of got busy and never went back, will definitely have to go back to it.

Is an ARG like Eyepet? Those are different from what I was referring to, as the "world" in those game is only as big as whatever room you are playing in (To be fair, I know little of these types of games).

 

[Odrion]

Valve are just as money hungry and anti competitive as EA.


They are just better at keeping there mouth shut about it.

At least their philosophy on their customers is not "Fuck them in the ass until they bleed to death." A philosophy every other large publisher seems to share.

 

[Odrion]

Even if Activision treats their development studios like death camps, they're far less anti-consumer than EA.

 

[KenOD]

I forgot about Amnesia. I started it on onlive but sort of got busy and never went back, will definitely have to go back to it.

Is an ARG like Eyepet? Those are different from what I was referring to, as the "world" in those game is only as big as whatever room you are playing in (To be fair, I know little of these types of games).

I don't know about Eyepet outside of descriptions, but not. The ones I'm referring to is where you use a device's camera (mobile phones, 3DS, Vita, etc) and it shows virtual things in front of you.

For example on 3DS there exist titles such as this http://youtu.be/dwkITW6TaXw where you move the device around and use it's screen as the screen on where to shoot in your world.
Face Raiders also exists as a game where you can move 360 to aim, shoot, etc.

There is also Spirit Camera, a Fatal Frame spin-off. Again moving the 3DS around.
http://youtu.be/6q44OZIPNzE

Not the greatest, but early days and all that. Mobiles are using augmented reality with you looking through the screen to share some basic info like upcoming street signs, reviews "floating" above stores, etc.