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The Last Of Us Game Informer Details [Audio Design Interview]
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Foliorum Viridum
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Cutter in UC3 was an English hard man and he didn't say cunt once.
Now THAT was unbelievable writing. Us Brits say cunt like it's "please" or "thank you".
XANDER CAGE
Member
why the Fuck not? Seems like a Good practice.
It is true, sometimes when I go shopping I hear the word cunt more than anything else- it's quite disturbing really.
Emphasis.
Yeah most of the time you just have to walk over a health.
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
Nah, I don't want that. Keep it grounded in reality (you know, a reality with zombies...)
They should make the hordes and the other people trying to survive more scary than any monster could ever be. That's what makes great zombie films great.
Better than being a pansy who is offended by bad words
So can you look me in the eye, son, and tell me you wouldn't want to see a cordyceps-tranformed elephant attack Joel and Ellie at the zoo?
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
DLC that shit up as an extra chapter and you can have my money. Keep the main game pure!
Maybe in the places were the plague is the worst.
Got to save some ideas for the sequel!
I am not a big fan of hearing copious swearing, because it always comes off dumb and immature when it is overdone. I get the mental image of a teenager swearing up a storm to seem more mature, when the exact opposite happens.
Hopefully, they handle that stuff tastefully instead of "FUCK YEAH SWEARING IS COOL. OH FUCK A ZOMBIE. YEAH TAKE IT BITCH!"
I don't see how anyone can disagree with this specific point.
I don't agree with the rest of what he said, and I swear all the time in real life, but in video games swearing almost alway comes off as "hey look we're swearing!" Just trying too hard. Don't know if that's because of the voice actors or the direction or the script or what, it just rarely seems authentic.
I would also say that random interchangeable bits that play during combat often sound bad to begin with, let alone if they are tripe like "eat lead fuckfaces."
Foliorum Viridum
Banned
The funny thing is, for as much slack as a lot of war games etc get, soldiers often do swear a ridiculous amount.
"Fucking hell. FUCKING CUNT" just as an RPG narrowly misses them.
Makes you proud to be Britsh.
"Fucking hell. FUCKING CUNT" just as an RPG narrowly misses them.
Makes you proud to be Britsh.
Wow, war seems like fun, and there even was a cute girl. ( I hope it was a girl)
LightofRohan
Member
Of course they will, what else do they have to do?
It actually sounds a little Farcry 2 like, which is a very good thing.
You just got my hopes up for this to happen, it'd be amazing.
Everyone's too distracted with the ridiculous stuff he spouted outside of that.
They will until we see gameplay.
He's a religious zealot. There are some crazy religious nuts that are absolutely horrified by "cursing." As if a word could ever be cursed.
I find it hilarious because of how people add so much over-the-top weight to random words like "fuck", as if God himself will smite thee for using it. God doesn't give a shit about swearing. If he exists and he does give a shit, we have a lot more problems than how many curses someone uses.
Any bullet to the chest and head areas should be instant 1 hit kill.
I know you more in depth impression but remember they on seen 10 minutes of it
Power Stranger
Banned
Man....5 years later and PS3 finally gets a system seller. For me atleast.
I hope you can command ellen page to attack ala Mass Effect.
I hope you can command ellen page to attack ala Mass Effect.
Some of those details in the OP are confusing and contradictory.
They want to give the game a realistic feel by allowing one bullet one kill, but keep your bullets scarce to discourage direct confrontation.
Ditto for health packs.
But then they say they want to encourage melee attacks with the AI both enemy and partner varieties?
God, don't tell me this is going to have average combat mechanics/controls as well.
They want to give the game a realistic feel by allowing one bullet one kill, but keep your bullets scarce to discourage direct confrontation.
Ditto for health packs.
But then they say they want to encourage melee attacks with the AI both enemy and partner varieties?
God, don't tell me this is going to have average combat mechanics/controls as well.
I just don't want the cursing to sound stupid. Not in this game. I have no problem with swear words themselves. I dick-titted the hell out of Bulletstorm. I even loved that game's racial slurs (quit your whining, you slanty devil-eyed prancing geisha sushi-dick!). But it's one thing in that game, because the game is deliberately juvenile, and so the tendency for swearing in games to sound juvenile actually fits. Whereas here, that's clearly not how they want to come off in The Last of Us. I fear they will, though, because I can't think of a serious game where the swearing didn't seem incongruent, forced, ham-fisted and cheesy.
MrCookiepants
Member
I am loving everything I'm reading about the gameplay. And the story and characters already have me intrigued.
Why is that contradictory? It just means that you'll have very limited ammunition and should try to avoid confrontation, but when you have no choice the few bullets you have will do their job.
Callibretto
Member
what's contradictory about that? scarce of ammo encourage you to avoid confrontation and at the same time, encourage melee when you do get into combat situation because you want to save on your ammo.
one bullet one kill just shows how precious even one bullet is in that game. it has to be balanced with how rare ammo is in the world, but I'm sure ND is smart enough to know that.
it's the end of the world, the last remnants of humanity are killing each other off, and this girl has been raised by the remaining hard boiled elements of this society
in what universe would her being quite familiar with swearing and incorporating it into her language be 'forced' and 'incongruent'?
Face it, the only reason you care is because a certain element of society has conditioned you to give more value to these words than is necessary. In every day end of the world vocabulary, nobody would give a shit. nobody would even say 'these are bad words.' They would just be what everyone uses, and Ellie would adopt it normally, because it's the end of the world and feigned sensibility re: cursing is the last thing on people's minds.
That's not really the point though, of course they should swear in that setting, doesn't mean that the script needs to be convoluted with a load of random swear words the writer thought would sound 'mature'. I don't think that's what Naughty Dog is doing, so I'm not too worried, but what's wrong with people not wanting the dialogue to be jam-packed with swear words?
What's wrong with letting end of the world dialogue feel like end of the world dialogue?
This is like the people who complain when a war movie has excessive cursing. It's fucking war. Soldiers do not give a good goddamn about cursing. This would be -exactly- the same. people would curse, all the time. It might even pepper virtually every sentence. These are hard scrabble individuals surviving by the skin of their teeth, if they didn't curse extremely often it'd be bizarre.
The idea that inserting tons of cursing into your script marks someones attempt to be 'mature' is absurd. It is often essential world building and character building. It can even be the only word in an entire scene, and it can still show remarkable power.
Cursing CAN occasionally mark immaturity. But most of the time, that sort of complaint just never materializes. Most of the time, it's necessary for the material. In an end of the world scenario to feel real, it's necessary.
I doubt Ellie will be a character with tourettes.
Exactly. They can make every word "fuck fuck fuck" and most of us (myself included) would still get the game because it will play well and look gorgeous, but that doesn't mean that every word has to be "fuck fuck fuck" or that it won't seem like questionable writing if it is. All I'm asking is they don't overdo it and approach eighth-grade levels of storytelling here. Again, I don't have a problem with swear words -- I've long argued that so long as there's no hate in them, they're harmless -- but there's no denying that in games they come off as juvenile, shit-head writing 99 percent of the time. Maybe it's something about the way they're canned phrases that trigger in real time that makes them stand out more in a "look at me, look at me" sort of way. Whatever the case, it's all in the execution whether they feel right; context alone is not enough.
EDIT: If you're saying The Last of Us will be Wire-level storytelling, then maybe it will be OK. For some reason I suspect it will come off like most games have come off in the past, though, which is immature. You have more faith in ND's storytelling abilities than me, I guess.
Just reads like they want to encourage both melee, but keeping your distance/ammo scrounging as well.
Maleficence
Member
That's not a contradiction, you avoid battles, if they're unavoidable you use melee or what little ammo you have.
Again, I'm all for the inclusion of cursing, I just don't want a game that is supposed to be the epitome of interactive storytelling to sound like Bulletstorm.
Where they mention using things like bricks to stun opponents so that you can then run in with another weapon to melee. They also say Ellie will do stuff like that for you too so you can then run in and melee.
It's just how the whole thing reads to me, maybe I'm wrong.
To look at things another way: In the end of the world, it would be perfectly fitting for people to frequently say "OH MY GOD," "OH MY GOD," "OH MY GOD," "OH MY GOD." Like a fucking horror movie version of Extreme Home Makeover. But would it still seem silly if the characters in The Last of Us were saying this with the sort of frequency they're allegedly swearing? Of course. And really, in the end of the world, people in fight or flight situations would probably be saving their breath and energy, panting and coughing under duress. The knife scene in Saving Private Ryan comes to mind. Not everyone vents stress the same way.
It's all a moot point for the time being, though. We don't know what we're dealing with until we see what they're talking about for ourselves.
EDIT: Also, watching that Wire clip, no "remarkable power" saying "fuck" there. That scene could've been entirely silent and it would've been equally effective. It's how they piece everything together by being on the same wavelength and not having to articulate everything that makes it impressive. Funny enough, the trailer for the The Last of Us did something similar with Joel and Ellie exchanging knowing looks before Joel confronted the zombie.
Exactly, no real point in arguing about this, nothing wrong with people wanting the swearing to not be too excessive.
HyperBitHero
Member
Can't wait. Though I would have liked there to be more "zombies". Sad to hear they aren't the main focus.
Making the men the real monsters actually presents ND with the chance to do something really dramatic, namely to play up their humanity and the desperation of their situation and make you feel fucked up for killing them even as they try to kill you -- something you wouldn't quite feel with a mindless zombie.
Again, though, I'm not sure ND will actually pull off these human antagonists being much more than the "all evil, all the time" goons we're accustomed to in Uncharted. Hopefully they've considered this and are implementing behaviors and dialogues to humanize the foes. The magazine says the enemies show fear when out-gunned, so that's a start...
At least that way the actual 'zombie' encounters will be that much more intense, if done well.
Well we do know you will encounter some people who won't be enemies, so I guess it won't always be a case of "oh look, more evil people."
Also the AI sounds really promising, it'd be cool if you could subdue a group of scavengers by shooting just one of them or something.
Or maybe if one begs for his life and you spare him, he might either A) come back to help you later or B) stalk you the rest of the chapter and attack you when you least expect it. But you never know what will happen, for sure, in your moment of mercy.
Punchpudding
Member
I find that I don't like kids in most games or movies. I especially don't like precocious, smart alec kids in action movies. Swearing is irrelevant.
Don't have much an opinion on the game but just thought that's a weird topic to pop up...
Don't have much an opinion on the game but just thought that's a weird topic to pop up...
Why can't something be the "epitome of interactive storytelling" and also have tons of cursing? There are things which are top of the class in literature, television and cinema which are non-stop cursing, all the time. If you want games to be treated differently, than that's one argument. And as everyone knows, I think virtually all game stories are awful garbage. That said, if you want games to ever even have a shot at competency, complete creative freedom is a requirement. And that includes being able to curse every other second if it is deemed appropriate, and an end of the world scenario is certainly a type of concept that it would make sense.
No it wouldn't have. Shit taste confirmed, opinion on subject ignored. *stamp*
Sure it can be great with lots of cursing, doesn't mean it would be with juvenile and excessive cursing. There is a big difference and without seeing the game we don't really know which it will be.