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Playstation Vita western launch thread | It only does everything, everywhere.
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Heh, yeah I'm personally going for the 8GB card for the reasons you stated. I was just pointing out that price per gigabyte is by no means an acceptable indicator of value. It was really his comment that the 32GB memory card is a good deal that enticed me to reply.
I'm doing that. I've seen multiple people comment on the rear touch pad getting scratched really easily. It'll cost like five bucks, but it'll ensure that the system looks pristine. I mean, why not?
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
I suppose for Japan the choice to re-pay for individual games one at a time as opposed to a one-time cost for a peripheral might also be galling, but I just suppose that based on their stated desire for a UMD peripheral.
So once again it is true that if they want to re-buy the game digitally, if they bought UMD originally, that is certainly the option available. Has Capcom announce the discount available for doing so for the UMD-to-PSN price transfer-thingy for Portable 3rd?
Curious as to the cost. Please tell.
Clever lampoon on the peripheral. Mine is prettier though, spent more time in Photoshop than you did.
I haven't really seen ANY marketing for the thing. It's ridiculous.
In their native state, the Vita will never be able to run PS2 games. It's just nowhere near powerful enough.
What you will see I think are some of the remasters that are being down also being done for the Vita like FFX, MGS and ZOE are. That at least gives us the possibility of the larger games being available at some point.
On another note, a new bundle has appeared for UK folk from shopto
WiFi Vita, 4gb card, pre order pack, Rayman, Lumines and Dungeon Hunter all for £290.
EDIT: From the last page and from the US thread
Nice to see that they are indeed adding things! Hopefully Google Maps will come soon.
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
Why is this? Seems close enough to the PS2 480i resolution, and the polys. What, are they using NURBs again?
Because you have to be significantly more powerful than what you are emulating. You can't just match the PS2 hardware-wise. It's quite a bit more powerful than the PS2, but not enough to emulate PS2 games.
petethepanda said:
From what I've heard, it's pretty terrible. Hopefully they'll improve it significantly.
petethepanda
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Is the browser on this supposed to be any good?
njean777
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How is the vita not powerful enough to run ps2 games? FFS it has to be more powerful then a console that came out in early 2000.
Ahh yeah I forgot about that, good point.
Ahh yeah I forgot about that, good point.
Shalashaska161
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The realities of emulation mostly. The PS2 is old tech but it still requires some pretty decent hardware to emulate. Native ports it can do easily, but straight up emulation just isn't possible.
Edit: And beaten.
The browser itself isn't bad, but HTML5 and Flash don't work yet, so no Youtube.
madmaxx350
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not only that the way the hardware was designed makes it harder to do straight up emulation, if it was easy Sony would nit have taken it ou of ps3 because the cost wouldnt be that high. If vita ever plays ps2 games it would have to be games modified like the ps2 classics on psn.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
I'm not sure on the UMD-Passport cost, it was 2980 yen to go digital (but that MAY have been a special offer (?)) i'll check it all out tonight
Clever lampoon on the peripheral. Mine is prettier though, spent more time in Photoshop than you did.
hehe, well, joking aside i think that's partly the reason we'll never see an official PSP add on drive. The PSP as a secondary back up unit is an awesome offer. My "Games Bag Of awesome" contains a CFW PSP and a DS because they just offer huge libraries with great battery life. They're the warhorse machines for on the go.
Mutanthands
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I don't know, I wouldn't bet against it happening. I don't think it would be a comprehensive as PS1 emulation on the PSP, but I bet there are quite a few games that could be emulated on the Vita via a standard program, with intimate know how of the PS2 structure and programming the Vita down to the metal.
The fill rate of the Emotion Engine was supposed to be an insurmontable problem on the later PS3 hardware, but they found a way around it.
I follow the 5 year rule for home to portable graphics: in five years it's theoretical possible to match on a portable console, and in five more years it can be emulated on a portable console.
My rule from observation only, certainly not hard and fast.
Also don't forget it's taken Sony this long to get a stable PS2 software emulator running on the Cell.
I know the vita looks great, but it's still not as powerful as the PS3.
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
PS2 classics on PSN are emulated. I repeatedly contend they could have continued making a higher-priced SKU PS3 with PS2 compatibility on board. I'd pay the difference for it, so would tons of other people.
We believe these cost justifications, buy these PR angles, but really there are ways it can happen, if it is a priority. The change in priority has been to be able to charge for the same content multiple times. The cost has moved from additional hardware, to iterative recharges for the same software.
No one believes me on this. But I perceive it, and I don't like it.
Yeah but on the other end of the spectrum there are consumers who don't even want to carry a Vita when all the games they want they can get for a small price on their phones (of course, these people would want a Vita with an extra bolt-on UMD drive even less). Honestly, if the UMD transfer program were very fairly and consistently priced, and covered all PSP titles, truly Sony would surmount this issue on Vita, for me.
Fatal Futanari
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Here is my Vita preorder so far:
PlayStation Vita - WiFi - $249.00
wipEout 2048 - $29.99
PlayStation Vita Travel Pouch - $19.99
PlayStation Vita Memory Card 32GB - $99.96
Uncharted: Golden Abyss - 49.96
Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus - $39.99
$488.89
I am still debating over BlazBlue: Continuum Shift EXTEND and Dynasty Warriors NEXT (any thoughts on this?).
I wish there was more deals for the Vita. :/
PlayStation Vita - WiFi - $249.00
wipEout 2048 - $29.99
PlayStation Vita Travel Pouch - $19.99
PlayStation Vita Memory Card 32GB - $99.96
Uncharted: Golden Abyss - 49.96
Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus - $39.99
$488.89
I am still debating over BlazBlue: Continuum Shift EXTEND and Dynasty Warriors NEXT (any thoughts on this?).
I wish there was more deals for the Vita. :/
so much for sony stating that they're concentrating on the vita. i mean if last year has taught sony anything is that an insane marketing campaign sells just about anything. Look at x360 shipping most consoles ever thanks to kinect push and buying marketing rights for multiplats. Also look at U3 selling the most copies of the franchise thanks to the insane promotions and marketing.
From the MGS HD thread just in case anyone misses it
Hey guys.
From Kojima's Twitter. The paper in the photo seems to be a script for new Vita-specific dialogue.
Big Chungus
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Are you able to use group voice chat while playing psp titles?
madmaxx350
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yes
This statement is contrary to sales history.
Shalashaska161
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The Vita isn't a Kinect though, it's current game lineup and price are aimed at the enthusiast market not the casual one. A Kinect size campaign would be a total waste of money at this point in the system's life, it just doesn't have that mass market appeal.
From the MGS HD thread just in case anyone misses it
Is there a release date for this? I wanna play this on my vita as soon as possible.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
to be honest, i don't have a clue about in America , but in Japan i don't think they particularly see a problem with the PSP selling great guns at 16,000 yen a unit.
Given that's the UMD capable model, and given the vast hugeness of the PSP UMD library i've a feeling Sony want to ride the PSP a little more because i'm sure they are making crazy bank on each unit sold.
At the moment i doubt full B/C is that big of a determining factor for Vita buyers at the current price point.
madmaxx350
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OMG its kerrby!! no release date yet, sorry... Im personally waiting for ZOE
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
Okay. Maybe select other people. I have empirical data only, games journalists raving about how much they love their original 60 GB and hope it doesn't YLOD, some folks in threads agreeing with me.
The increase of sales at a $299 price point does not necessarily mean there was no market for a higher end SKU with BC. Since they were never offered simultaneously, neither of us really has any proof, right?
Still, PS2 classics are emulated, but only if they are repurchased. Perhaps a PS2 transfer program is on the way?
Maybe, but that's what they said about PS2 as well. I guess we'll see.
I know I'm a fringe case, enthusiast and collector both. After all, last hardware release I was pushing for this instead of the 3DS from Nintendo:
I can't quantify how many guys like me are bothered by Sony's Shaky BC commitment lately. I just know how I feel, that I'm not alone, and that it seems worrisome on a platform launch to have your previous platform be its biggest competitor in one of your primary markets.
archnemesis
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It's in the import section since it will be available a week before the western launch.
The OP is pretty crowded as it is. I think it's better to keep the themes in a thread of their own. I'll definitely link to it though.
Mutanthands
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A Uncharted 3 sized campaign at least might be helpful. The only Vita ads I've seen on TV have been the Taco Bell ones.
A guerilla campaign is all well and good, but as a supplement to more traditional outlets, not as the whole enchilada.
i agree the target markets differ entirely but having no promotions and ads whatsoever really seems a bit ridiculous even if only aimed at hardcore market. once again i would point to uncharted 3, the campaign they had for that game was one of the best Sony has done and it showed with brilliant sales.
I think they need to have ads showing Golden Abyss, Fifa, Wipeout and Gravity Daze to show people there's a new machine in town that can do all of these cool things.
I have returned just in time for the Vita launch <3.
Okay. Maybe select other people. I have empirical data only, games journalists raving about how much they love their original 60 GB and hope it doesn't YLOD, some folks in threads agreeing with me.
The increase of sales at a $299 price point does not necessarily mean there was no market for a higher end SKU with BC. Since they were never offered simultaneously, neither of us really has any proof, right?
Still, PS2 classics are emulated, but only if they are repurchased. Perhaps a PS2 transfer program is on the way?
There is arguably also a market for a 400 disk blu ray autochanger with a PS3 built in also. But if that market is not big enough to pay for the development and production costs then it doesn't happen.
There are I think like 6 direct ports. The rest are other entries in the franchises.
it's like saying I don't want to play Uncharted 3 because I played Uncharted 2.
BC is also a lot about killing the predecessor console. 3DS was able to ride on the fact that it had a huge ds library at its disposal given the awful launch and the ds sale numbers went down (especially after the price cut)
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
Production mechanisms were already in place, however. There would have been no ramp-up cost. Microsoft certainly did well with the Elite SKU of 360, and the differences in their SKUs were so meaningless, in terms of features.
Shalashaska161
Member
I never said they shouldn't increase their advertising, just that a Kinect size campaign would be overkill. And I'm confident the ads will come, were still a little over 2 weeks away from the "real" launch date. Just give em time.
To be honest I think getting demo units out wherever they can is probably the best way to advertise the thing anyways. There have been tons of people in previous threads saying how impressed they were with it once they actually saw it, and I think that's really going to be the key to getting the word out. It's a lot like the 3DS in that way.
i agree that having the units in game shops is actually probably the best thing they can do for the console (that's what got me to preorder a 3DS last year for example) i think those ads need to come so that people know to go to their game stores and try it out.
You're right though, we're still 2 weeks away, I just thought that we'd see a Superbowl ad that would start off the campaign. But I guess Sony thought that since the Xperia Play ad didn't do much it would be a waste of money
Some HTML5 support is there but not enough. The details are at the NetFront site.
M.W.
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Yes.
Shining Sunshine
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They've done enough for the pre-marketing campaign.
You don't want to spend a lot of money when the product isn't out. The commercial marketing will come soon.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
An Ubisoft rep told me the PSV version of Rayman Origin has new levels (worlds 6-11 were replaced).
Phoenician_Viking
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Can you please add the accessories available. It would help a lot of people.
Dog Problems
Banned
First Edition is the one you can get a week early, right? Who is selling it for $250?
DidntKnowJack
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Well I'm getting a decent tax return in a few weeks, so while I may not be there at launch, I'll have a Vita probably by the end of the month. Wipeout, here I come.
M.W.
Member
Yeah, I'm just going to spread out my purchases. I'm not dropping $500+ day one. The system and a game is ample to begin with.
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