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|OT| French Presidential election - 2012 edition

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G.O.O.

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It's necessary to avoid joke candidatures, that's actually why the rule was created. But the fact that it might prevent Le Pen to run is a huge problem and that's why I'm ok with that proposition to allow anonymous signatures. A serious candidate like Le Pen has the right to run, especially considering how popular she is.
Quite frankly, I wouldn't be shocked if she didn't have her signatures. The communists still manage to have theirs because despite having the same political program they had in the 80's, their mayors still get elected. On the other hand, every time the FN had a town, it ended up being a disaster with the guy kicked out on the next elections or joining another party.

All in all, the fact that they aren't even competent enough to rule a small town pretty much make them a joke party to me. MLP is popular but I don't think people see her as a president, out of those who are loyal to her party (much less than her current score in the polls imo).

Yet the big parties asking the mayors not to give their signature to smaller ones is a fucking shame.
 
Hu, wasn't there some former porn actress candidating for it, too?
That would be for the legislative elections, where there isn't such a thing as the 500 signatures rule.

It's necessary to avoid joke candidatures, that's actually why the rule was created. But the fact that it might prevent Le Pen to run is a huge problem and that's why I'm ok with that proposition to allow anonymous signatures. A serious candidate like Le Pen has the right to run, especially considering how popular she is.

That being said, I hope she crashes and burns HARD. I might respect her right to run but I think anyone voting for her is crazy and/or really desperate.

lolwut

I'm... really not sure it's a good idea. Or is it? I'm conflicted about this, but this looks like he's desperate.
I agree with Jean-Marie Le Pen when he said that the signatures are meant to be an administrative formality, preventing joke candidacies from happening, not a political statement meant to block whoever is a rival to your party in the election. I'm still conflicted as to whether signatures should be public or secret (officials they are elected by the people, so everything they do as officials should be public, in a way) but I think they should be allowed to give signatures to as many candidates as they want.

Great OP! What's the deal with François Bayrou? Normally the role of the "centrist" is reserved to christian democrats, is he like a german/british liberal, social liberal on private issues and conservative/pro bussiness on economy? Or is he more of an italian/french radical? For that matter, where are the radicals? Allied with the PS?
It's hard to tell what Bayrou's point is. His MPs sometimes vote with the PS, some (rare) times with the UMP, sometimes with neither... And half of the members of his former party (UDF) left to found the Nouveau Centre (New Centre) which officially sides with the UMP majority. I think he doesn't have a clear stance on anything.
From what i've read, I'm pretty sure Melanchon would be considered ultra-leftist even by european standards.

Does DSK even matter anymore?

DSK was rumored to run for the primary election at the Socialist Party (he was the favorite, by far, and was said to be the best possible candidate to defeat Sarkozy, of all political parties) when the sex scandal broke out. When he came back to France he had already missed the deadline to run for the primary and he decided not to take part in the primary, that is, not to give official support to any of the candidates (they wouldn't have asked for it anyway, by then).

Now he has no official role I can think of. He has only publicly appeared at international conferences on economics and yes, his political career is pretty much over. (Meanwhile, his wife Anne Sinclair has become the co-founder and head of the French version of the Huffington Post).

As for Jean-Luc Mélenchon, he's a marxist, without a doubt, and I think there is very little difference betweem him and the average Communist (he doesn't label himself as such but acts and talks like one). His opinions and (short) temper have sometimes been compared to the late Communist leader Georges Marchais (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Marchais). Only Philippe Poutou and Nathalie Arthaud might be more left-wing than he is.
 

Kurtofan

Member
Nice OP, Computer.
By the way, Jacques Cheminade, a 1995 candidate and the president of the Solidarity and Progress Party, said he got 500 signatures.
 
Looks like Sarkozy is going into campaign mode:

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EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW

"My values for France"

Employment, education, family, secularism... The President commits himself


Signatures: "a group such as the FN has to be part of the presidential (election)"

Nicolas Sarkozy claimed to be favorable to the FN's presence at the presidential election because "a political trend which gathers several million citizens at every election must be allowed to be represented" at the election. The President of the Republic added, however, in an interview for Figaro Magazine, that, "by principle", he is "opposed to signatures/parrainages being anonymous". 500 are mandatory to participate at the presidential election.
http://lci.tf1.fr/filnews/politique...fn-doit-etre-a-la-presidentielle-6985269.html

Two weeks ago, when he was interviewed on television, he said something to the like of "are you really expecting me to help (Marine Le Pen)?"

Is it just me or does Sarkozy changes his mind every day?

Declaration of candidacy: "The rendez-vous is getting near" said Sarkozy

President Nicolas Sarkozy answerd that "the rendez-vous was getting near" when asked about when he would declare his candidacy, in an interview for Figaro Magazine, to be published this saturday. "I said that the rendez-vous was getting near. It is." the Head of State answered to the first question of the long interview. He added: "If the question is whether I have thought about (my declaration of candidacy), on its style and its substance, my answer is yes."
 

G.O.O.

Member
Is it just me or does Sarkozy changes his mind every day?
Well, after being against tax raises, Tobin tax and for keeping retirement at 60...

Also, looking at the interview he gave at the figmag, he really wants to keep the hard line for the campaign. Isn't it a bit... I dunno, suicidal ?
 
Sarkozy promises populist unemployment referendum

French President Nicolas Sarkozy said in an interview that he intends to hold a referendum on whether unemployed people receiving benefits should be allowed to turn down jobs. He also said he was hoping to reform policy on illegal immigration.

AFP - French President Nicolas Sarkozy took another big step towards confirming he will stand for re-election on Thursday, taking a populist turn with promises of referendums on jobs and immigration.

Le Monde reported he might declare his candidacy as early as next Thursday, but there was no official confirmation from the office of the right-wing leader, who polls say would lose the vote to a Socialist rival.

Sources in his UMP party said that, in an interview with Le Figaro magazine to be published this weekend, Sarkozy proposes holding a referendum on whether the unemployed should be allowed turn down a job and still keep their benefits.

He also said he was hoping to reform the way in which illegal immigrants could be kicked out of France, and tabled a series of other propositions that could be seen as an electoral programme, the sources said.

Sarkozy places great emphasis on "values" in the Figaro interview, rather than on his economic programme, they said.

Last month, the president gave his strongest hint yet he will be a candidate in the two-round election to be held in April and May. "I have a rendezvous with the French people. I will not shy away from it," he said.
Angela Merkel will support Nicolas Sarkozy's campaign

"I am determined," he added, in an interview to unveil reforms aimed at lifting France out of the economic doldrums and boosting his credibility ahead of the vote in which Socialist Francois Hollande is the frontrunner.

Members of Sarkozy's entourage have said he will stand for re-election, but Sarkozy himself has never done so publicly.

On Monday, German Chancellor Angela Merkel threw her weight Sarkozy in his tough re-election battle, saying the two right-wingers were from the same "political family".

Despite accusations in both countries of interference, Merkel used a visit to Paris for a joint Franco-German cabinet session to make clear her support for Sarkozy, who has increasingly cited Germany as a model for France.
http://www.france24.com/en/20120209...h-investigated-influence-peddling-bettencourt

Sarkozy opposed to Israeli military action on Iran

French President Nicolas Sarkozy warned against the possibility of Israeli military strikes on nuclear-minded Iran at a dinner hosted by France's main Jewish group on Wednesday, which Socialist leader Francois Hollande also attended.

AP - French President Nicolas Sarkozy put his reputation as a stalwart friend of Israel on the line Wednesday, warning that military action was no way to deal with nuclear-minded Iran at a dinner hosted by France’s main Jewish group - and his likely presidential election rival in the audience.

In the wake of new U.S. concerns that Israel might strike Iran’s nuclear facilities this spring, Sarkozy reiterated his ironclad commitment to Israel’s security but emphasized “the solution is never military.”

“The solution is political, the solution is diplomatic, the solution is in sanctions,” Sarkozy said, referring to a string of U.N. sanctions over Iran’s nuclear program, which the West fears mask designs to build weapons.

“We want the leaders of this country to understand that they have crossed a red line, and to reassure Israeli leaders so that the irreparable is not carried out,” Sarkozy said of possible military action.

Tehran, whose Islamist leaders have called for Israel’s destruction, insists its nuclear program is peaceful and aimed at generating electricity and civilian-sector projects.

Sarkozy said Israel needs a peaceful Palestinian state as its neighbor, and pointed to France’s historic rivalry with Germany - turned into a crucial European alliance today - as a possible model for Palestinians and Israelis.

“France says: ‘Israeli people - perhaps more than another people - you can understand the need for the Palestinians to hope,” said Sarkozy, adding that he wanted to see Israel one day “be loved, and not just feared.”

Sarkozy said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, with whom he has had a fraught relationship at times, was known for “firmness ... someone who is firm must be open, because he doesn’t have to prove his firmness, and his strength.”

The French leader also defended his decision to support Palestine’s membership in Paris-based UNESCO, the U.N.’s cultural arm, acknowledging that some in the crowd Wednesday were troubled by that.

“If I did it, it’s exactly because my entire history has been to be close to Israel,” he said.

Sarkozy’s comments came amid high-stakes French political drama as France’s best-known Jewish organization, CRIF, hosted the president and his most likely challenger in this spring’s election: Socialist Francois Hollande.

The dinner that has become a must on France’s political calendar in recent years offered a rare glimpse of the two longtime rivals together in public and in a social setting with their often-testy political families.

Hollande didn’t miss the chance to make his presence known even if the president got to make an address - and he did not. After Sarkozy’s speech, he got up from his table, crossed the ballroom and greeted the president - shaking hands with him and others at a vast table reserved for the Cabinet.

They men bantered and joked as journalists’ cameras flashed.

Afterward, Hollande told The Associated Press he had said simply “Bonjour” to the president. Sarkozy, also asked by the AP to recount their encounter, did not answer - and responded only with a smile and shrug.

Richard Prasquier, the CRIF president, told French TV that the on-camera handshake was a boon for his group, suggesting it had showcased the dinner as a premium appointment in French politics.

For weeks, polls have indicated Sarkozy would lose by a double-digit percentage point gap if the presidential election were held today. Political tensions have flared and party loyalties grown increasingly venomous of late.

Sarkozy helped make the CRIF event the near-obligatory annual social stop for politicians of the two mainstream parties - Sarkozy’s conservative UMP party, and Hollande’s Socialists. Sarkozy was the first serving head of state to attend, in 2008. Hollande noted he too has attended for years.

“I don’t know who will make the address in 2013,” Hollande quipped.
http://www.france24.com/en/20120209...-military-strikes-iran-crif-hollande-francois

Nicolas Sarkozy repeats he is "not in favor" of homosexual marriage. "In these troubled times where our society needs points of reference, I don't think we should blur the image of the essential social institution that is marriage." In the same way, the Head of State does not wish to change the law on euthanasia: "The Leonetti law is perfectly balanced, it sets a principle which is respect for (human) life."
http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/20...eut-consulter-les-francais-par-referendum.php

Sarkozy announces economic plans for re-election

French President Nicolas Sarkozy has set out his plans to deal with the country’s faltering economy, portraying himself as the man tough enough to take tough decisions.

In an interview broadcast live on nine major French channels, Sarkozy also defended his efforts to save the euro but stressed Europe still had to work closely together.

“The measures that were taken by France, the measures taken by Europe and the regulation measures taken by the G20, allowed things to stabilise,” said the president. “The financial crisis is calming down, Europe is no longer on the edge of an abyss. All our efforts must now be dedicated to the resolution of the economic crisis.”

During the hour long broadcast, Sarkozy presented a series of reforms designed to create more jobs, and improve business competitiveness. France currently has a 12-year high unemployment rate.

Sarkozy aims to waive some employer social security payments to allow them to reduce their costs, making their products cheaper and hopefully boosting exports. To pay for this he wants to increase VAT. He also announced changes which would allow for companies to abolish the 35-hour working week, if a majority of workers agreed.

Many in Sarkozy’s right wing UMP party have called the moves “electoral suicide”. France holds presidential elections in three months. Sarkozy still has not said outright if he will stand.
http://www.euronews.net/2012/01/30/sarkozy-announces-economic-plans-for-re-election/
 

dark10x

Digital Foundry pixel pusher
Definitely keeping an eye on this. My wife is French and my son has dual citizenship so I have quite a bit vested in the future of the country now. :p
 
My heart is with you french lefties, i could only hope to have a socialist party like that in Italy. All hail Mitterrand.

Anyway, one dwarf is gone, the other must follow. Don't let me down!
 
Seen in today's newspapers:

Eva Joly's program includes:

- Shutting down all French nuclear plants by the year 2032
- Reducing energy consumption by 15% by the year 2020.
- Financing renewable sources of energy with a special 'green' saving account.

- Creating 600,000 jobs in five years by making the economy more ecological
- Legal retirement age of 60
- 32 hours workweek (through negociations)

- Decriminalizing marijuana
- Marriage and adoption for homosexual couples

- Complete end of banking secrecy
- Taxation of financial transactions
- Dissolution of the G8 and the G20
- Creation of a World organization for environment

(source: Direct Matin, Paris edition, February 10, 2012)

When asked "Should Nicolas Sarkozy announce his candidacy?"

There is a time when denying the obvious becomes comical. Hearing the German chancellor say that she will support his campaign while he isn't a candidate (yet) has a surrealistic effect. The problem is that, as of now, he's campaigning with taxpayer's money.
 

Hana-Bi

Member
As a German I hope Sarkozy will not be re-elected.

What are the chances that Hollande will change the energy system of France? Sarkozy still believes nuclear power is the way to go and this position is the exact opposite of the elimination of nuclear energy by the year 2021 in Germany (there are many nuclear reactors at the border between Germany and France).
 
have any of them resorted to blaming the british for a boost in popularity yet?
Not in the last few days, but Sarkozy kind of did in January:

Cameron and Sarkozy war of words over financial transaction tax

The Entente Cordiale was put under further strain last night after a war of words broke out between French President Nicolas Sarkozy and Prime Minister David Cameron over the launch of a French transaction tax.

12:34AM GMT 31 Jan 2012

Mr Sarkozy said France was "aligning" itself more with Germany rather than with its "British friends" by supporting industry and launching plans to unilaterally impose a 0.1pc tax on financial transactions.

The President's comments in Brussels followed his statement earlier in the day that Britain is a country with "no industry", which he claimed as he set out "shock measures" to reinvigorate France's faltering economy.

However, Mr Cameron who was also speaking that the EU leaders summit in Brussels, hit back by calling the transaction tax "extraordinary".

"We are not going to rebalance [the economy] by punishing a successful industry, such as financial services. It is a widespead industry and one of country's strengths.

"If other countries want to put in place a financial transaction tax, I do think it's an extraordinary thing to do. The European Commission has told us that would cost Europe half a million jobs. To do something that would cost so many jobs does seem to me to be extraordinary.

The Prime Minister added: "In the spirit of this healthy competition with France... If France goes for a financial transactions tax, then the door will be open and we will be able to welcome many French banks to the United Kingdom and we'll expand our economy that way."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...-of-words-over-financial-transaction-tax.html

'UK has no industry' Sarkozy says in pre-Brussels interview

'Sneering' Sarkozy comes out fighting on French TV as Hollande and girlfriend pile on the pressure

BY Linda Palermo LAST UPDATED AT 10:35 ON Mon 30 Jan 2012

THE GREETING between Nicolas Sarkozy and David Cameron at today's European summit in Brussels looked likely to be especially glacial after the French president used a live TV interview last night - which was grandly screened across nine national channels - to announce that he will be bringing in a financial transactions tax (FTT) in France this August.

Not only is Cameron vehemently opposed to such a tax, but Sarkozy also said in the course of the interview that "the United Kingdom has no industry any more". According to the Daily Mail, the "sneering" president "spat the words out".

With opinion polls continuing to show the gap widening between Sarkozy and his Socialist challenger Francois Hollande - the latest daily tracker poll for Paris Match has Hollande winning the first round by six points with 28 per cent, and crushing his UMP rival 57-43 in the second, decisive round - the president had taken to the airwaves to defend his five years in power.

Despite rumours last week that he might dramatically quit the presidential race during the interview, Sarkozy instead launched an impassioned defence of his record, and reminded the French people that under his watch they had been rocked by an "historic crisis" and that measures introduced by his government had helped avert the worst possible scenario of EU collapse.

"Last year I told the French that we were in a historic crisis... We are trying to stop a crisis that could bring down the euro to start with, Europe afterwards and the world," Sarkozy claimed. "The economic crisis is still extremely deep… but Europe is no longer on the brink."

By presenting an apocalyptic vision of where the nation might have ended up, Sarkozy was seeking to contrast his experience at the helm of the country with the non-existent record of Hollande, who has never held a substantive position in government at the highest level.

In addition to the introduction of the FTT or Tobin Tax, which will be levied at 0.1 per cent and will come in regardless of whether other countries enact similar legislation, Sarkozy also announced a rise in VAT by 1.6 per cent to help the French state to cover its high social costs. He claimed that when such a tax hike was imposed in Germany it helped to boost competitiveness and not prices.

It was when his interviewer pointed out that George Osborne's decision to raise VAT at the beginning of 2011 had actually caused price inflation, that the French president sourly retorted that Britain "has no industry any more".

Meanwhile, on the home front, Sarkozy does not just have Hollande's popularity to contend with – the Socialist leader's glamorous girlfriend is also becoming increasingly influential.

The Sunday Times reports that the French people, tiring of the Carla-Bruni-and-Sarko pantomime, are now more intrigued by Valérie Trierweiler, a political journalist and TV interviewer who supplanted former presidential candidate Segolene Royal in Hollande's affections.

As the bland Hollande attempts to win the presidency through his policies, rather than by being 'anyone but Sarko', the media-savvy Trierweiler is playing a key role in his bid to become the first Socialist in the Elysees since Francois Mitterand stood down in 1995. She is reportedly so involved in her boyfriend's election campaign that his aides are advised to consult her before making decisions. ·

We can thank Bliar and Brown for implementing a policy of 'globalisation' in which our european 'friends were allowed to cherry-pick our industries. Remember Biwater of Derbyshire, with a glittering order book and employing 700, bought by St Gobain who closed the firm and took all the machinery to India. Not only were those 700 not earning foreign credit but they were now 'on the dole'. This has been a policy of our european 'friends' to plunder our industries.

How can labour criticise the current coalition for all the problems created by 10 years of socialist mismanagement, where Mr Blair and Mr Brown have done very well at the expense of the real British people. May be ex-politician responsible for stuffing up the economy should pay extra high taxes for the income received from offices held after Government.
http://www.theweek.co.uk/europe/44834/uk-has-no-industry-sarkozy-says-pre-brussels-interview
 
Referendum on the unemployed: "pathetic" and "despicable", says Nicolas Dupont-Aignan

Nicolas Dupont-Aignan -the sovereignty-supporting presidential candidate- called "pathetic" the idea expressed by Nicolas Sarkozy on friday, to issue a referendum which would harshen the conditions on which benefits are given to unemployed people. In his interview (to be published this sunday) for Figaro Magazine, the head of State announced that, should negociations between the main social actors fail, "there should be, without a doubt, a referendum." "It's pathetic. It's despicable It's not worthy of a head of State", the president of Debout la République (DLR) said from his campaign headquarters, in which he was moving this friday in Paris. "He violated the 2005 referendum (on the treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe, which was rejected by the French people) with the Lisbon treaty. We're gonna have a new European treaty, without a referendum, which will determine the entire economic policy for the next five years, and he wants a referendum to determine how the unemployed will receive benefits?" he said, surprised.
http://lci.tf1.fr/filnews/politique...hetique-et-minable-dupont-aignan-6986153.html

"Making unemployed people pass as slackers is scandalous", says Eva Joly

Eva Joly, the candidate of Europe Ecologie - Les Verts (Europe Ecology - The Greens, aka EELV) estimated this friday that Nicolas Sarkozy wanted to "make the unemployed pass as slackers", which is "scandalous". Sarkozy's referendum project, on a reform of compensation for job seekers with which he wants to "make the unemployed - who are four million in our country - pass as slackers, is very scandalous", the candidate said on radio station France Info.
http://lci.tf1.fr/filnews/politique...ur-des-faineants-scandaleux-joly-6985761.html

Le Pen: Sarkozy has "no credibility whatsoever" to organize referendums

Marine Le Pen, candidate of the National Front for the presidential election, estimated this friday that Nicolas Sarkozy had "no credibility whatsoever" to organize referendums on unemployment and immigration. Ms. Le Pen said to news TV channel BFMTV that the President had always behaved as an "enemy of the referendum process" which she defends. "He betrayed the word of the French people, which was expressed in a referendum in 2005. He's the one who removed from the Constitution, in 2008, the principle of having a referendum for any broadening of the European Union. He's the one who, some months ago, intervened to prefent the referendum in Greece, she added. "As for his will to make a referendum on immigration, what credibility can he possibly have a man who let one million foreigners enter our country, illegally, in five years, and regularized 150,000 illegal (immigrants)?" I think the French are not to be taken in by that kind of methods" she said. "Never have families been so ill-treated than under Nicolas Sarkozy's term of office.", the European MP said, about the propositions of the head of State on family and homosexual marriage. "Now he blames the unemployed, which he himself created, through his economic policy (...), for having bad faith. However, very obviously, that is not the case" she said, thinking that "the French will judge with even more severity his current stance when they make him face the acts that were his during five years."
Sarkozy has "no more credibility whatsoever, neither on immigration, the fight against insecurity, nor on the issue of assistantship/charity since, if abuses do exist, excesses, frauds, profiteers, Nicolas Sarkozy did nothing, precisely, to separate the wheat from the chaff" she stated.
http://lci.tf1.fr/filnews/politique...e-pour-organiser-des-referendums-6986096.html

First meeting in support of Nicolas Sarkozy to take place in February 19 in Marseilles

The first meeting in support of Nicolas Sarkozy for the presidential election will take place in sunday, February 19 at 3 pm. at the parc Chanot, in Marseilles (south of France)

Jean-François Copé - head of the presidential party- has just sent a letter to all the UMP executives, asking them to "gather" their troops in anticipation for the "first great regional meeting in support of the president of the Republic, in order to make of this event a great success."

The UMP did not precise, however, whether or not Nicolas Sarkozy will be present at the meeting.

http://www.jeanmarcmorandini.com/ar...icolas-sarkozy-le-19-fevrier-a-marseille.html
 
Break-in at election HQ of former French premier
Saturday, February 11, 201

PARIS (AP) - Police say a break-in has taken place at the presidential election campaign headquarters of French former prime minister Dominique de Villepin.

Campaign staff on Saturday discovered a damaged entrance door and signs that closets had been rummaged through.

Police officials said authorities were checking to see if anything had been stolen.

Most polls show center-right candidate Villepin - seen as a rival of conservative president Nicolas Sarkozy - would garner a few percentage points at best if the springtime election were held today.

Villepin is perhaps best known abroad for a rousing 2003 U.N. Security Council speech against the prospect of U.S.-led war in Iraq.
http://www.wtvm.com/story/16912912/break-in-at-election-hq-of-former-french-premier
 

Jubern

Member
It's kinda strange too, he probably got more attention for this than he would have got for this entire campaign.
 

Kurtofan

Member
It's kinda strange too, he probably got more attention for this than he would have got for this entire campaign.

It wouldn't be the first time secret services broke into somewhere to steal their computers.That happened to quite a few journalists.
They also spied on Hollande's wife.
 

G.O.O.

Member
It wouldn't be the first time secret services broke into somewhere to steal their computers.That happened to quite a few journalists.
I worked for a magazine and computers being stolen didn't seem like a rare thing to the journalists. They didn't believe the robberies were linked to the secret services or the Bettencourt case.
 

G.O.O.

Member
i hope Sarko wins, he is good on foreign policy.
That's quite arguable, actually. Foreign leaders can't stand him anymore apparently (apart from Merkel, obviously).

I thought it happened to Rue89 or something.
Several times to rue89, but also Le Point, Le Monde and Mediapart.
 
i hope Sarko wins, he is good on foreign policy.
- China pretty much laughs at us at every occasion
- Our troops are still in Afghanistan and Africa, where whe should never have gone in the first place
- We shouldn't have sent planes over Libya and now the country is on the verge of chaos (I don't even want to know how much taxpayer's money that cost).
- Former foreign minister Michèle Alliot-Marie had ties with the former Ben Ali regime in Tunisia
- Our current foreign minister (Alain Juppé) had been declared guilty of abuse of public funds but Sarkozy appointed him anyway
- Mexico hates us (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Cassez)
- Turkey hates us (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/23/us-france-turkey-genocide-idUSTRE80M28G20120123)
- Several French hostages were executed by Al Qaeda in Africa
- We struggle to even sell one Rafale jet fighter

Also:

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Alx

Member
I really dislike Sarkozy and Hollande (both for the men and the politics). I think I'll support Bayrou again... but he didn't have a good start. :( I thought he would have higher rates by now, what with the mediocre results of Sarkozy and the non-convincing program of the left.
 
This is a great and informative thread for what I'm sure will be a fascinating election, though I think Sarko will probably win in the run-off.

Thanks for all the articles/updates, Computer.
 

Alx

Member
It's hard to tell what Bayrou's point is. His MPs sometimes vote with the PS, some (rare) times with the UMP, sometimes with neither... And half of the members of his former party (UDF) left to found the Nouveau Centre (New Centre) which officially sides with the UMP majority. I think he doesn't have a clear stance on anything.

His point is precisely voting based on his convictions and not on a political strategy... he's the only one trying to break the formatted left/right system. IMO he's all about thinking about the right politics, instead of having one defined by your party's interests.
It's both a strength and a weakness : he has some recognition among intellectuals, but it gives him low charisma and most people are still trying to understand if he's right wing or left wing, when he's neither.
But he's one of the rare current French politicians that I would consider intelligent, and you have to admit that he's been right more than often.
 

G.O.O.

Member
Yeah, he's pretty much the "nice guy" of the presidential election. People like him, but that's because he looks... I dunno, harmless. But I really don't know what he's been doing during the past five years. I just remember the modem being on the verge of disappearing, then supporting the 4th man of the election.
 

Neo C.

Member
Exciting times indeed. Left president and left parliament? Bring it on!
I'm not sure how Hollande can deal with the fundamental problems though. Demographics and world economy are still dictating the political agenda.


- China pretty much laughs at us at every occasion
- Our troops are still in Afghanistan and Africa, where whe should never have gone in the first place
- We shouldn't have sent planes over Libya and now the country is on the verge of chaos (I don't even want to know how much taxpayer's money that cost).
- Former foreign minister Michèle Alliot-Marie had ties with the former Ben Ali regime in Tunisia
- Our current foreign minister (Alain Juppé) had been declared guilty of abuse of public funds but Sarkozy appointed him anyway
- Mexico hates us (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Cassez)
- Turkey hates us (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/23/us-france-turkey-genocide-idUSTRE80M28G20120123)
- Several French hostages were executed by Al Qaeda in Africa
- We struggle to even sell one Rafale jet fighter
To be fair, Ghadafi would massacre ten thousands of people without the flight operation over Libya.

And we would buy your Rafale, just give us more rebate - or even better, sell it at a loss. :p
 
Yeah, he's pretty much the "nice guy" of the presidential election. People like him, but that's because he looks... I dunno, harmless. But I really don't know what he's been doing during the past five years. I just remember the modem being on the verge of disappearing, then supporting the 4th man of the election.
This.
 

Alx

Member
I'm not sure how Hollande can deal with the fundamental problems though. Demographics and world economy are still dictating the political agenda.

That's what is worrying me the most, especially since he's the current favorite... I don't think his politics would help in the current situation, actually they may probably make things worse.
Right now we need to reduce government spending and make industry more competitive ; the Parti Socialiste programs are rarely good at that.
 
That's what is worrying me the most, especially since he's the current favorite... I don't think his politics would help in the current situation, actually they may probably make things worse.
Right now we need to reduce government spending and make industry more competitive ; the Parti Socialiste programs are rarely good at that.

Weren't the recent Senate elections good for the Socialists, though? I know that senators aren't directly elected via universal suffrage, but isn't still a reasonable indication of the mood of the country?
 

Sotha Sil

Member
Nice OT!

If the Fig Mag's interview is any indication, we're in for another Buisson-inspired, far-right leaning campaign on Sarkozy's side. Subtle xenophobia and obvious poor-bashing.I have virtually no hope of seeing him lose.
 

G.O.O.

Member
Alx => The left isn't that bad at cutting spendings, and the right not that good. The Jospin years started quite well, before seeing the structural load fall apart because of tax cuts more than unreasonable spendings.

However, left or right, I don't think we'll see the industry getting competitive again anytime soon...

Also, I'd like to know why people see Sarkozy winning (real question, knowing that the right didn't win anything those past five years, that Sarkozy probably won't find again his 2007 aura and that the UMP is in danger of exploding if they don't win this time).
 
Nice OT!

If the Fig Mag's interview is any indication, we're in for another Buisson-inspired, far-right leaning campaign on Sarkozy's side. Subtle xenophobia and obvious poor-bashing.I have virtually no hope of seeing him lose.
It's in Sarkozy's interest to make his program stand out from Hollande's. Sarkozy can't beat Hollande on the socio-democratic side of the debate but he can (and needs to) steal votes from the FN, just as he did in 2007.

Sarkozy still has chances to be re-elected but I think Hollande will win. All Hollande needs is for Mélenchon not to steal too many of his votes, so he can be qualified for the second round.
 
Socialists claim Sarkozy illegally uses public money to fund campaign

Created 2012-02-13 11:25

France's Socialist Party is to file a complaint accusing President Nicolas Sarkozy of using public funds to finance his re-election campaign, party spokesman Manuel Valls told the Europe 1 radio station on Monday.

Sarkozy "is not respecting the law. He is organising real (campaign) rallies with public funds," Valls said, pointing to a visit last week to the Fessenheim nuclear power plant where Sarkozy met with workers.

"Enough is enough," said Valls, adding that the party would file the complaint with the national committee on campaign accounts.

The Socialists have repeatedly accused Sarkozy, who is expected to officially declare his candidacy this week, of violating campaign financing rules with a series of official visits throughout the country.

The Socialists filed a similar complaint in December, after which the committee said that Sarkozy would have to include the cost of the meetings in his campaign if they were used to promote his electoral programme.

France will vote in the first round of a presidential election on 22 April, followed by an expected second-round run-off on May 6.

Opinion polls have shown Socialist candidate François Hollande with a strong lead over Sarkozy.
http://www.english.rfi.fr/france/20...ozy-illegally-uses-public-money-fund-campaign
 

slmkay

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As a German I hope Sarkozy will not be re-elected.

What are the chances that Hollande will change the energy system of France? Sarkozy still believes nuclear power is the way to go and this position is the exact opposite of the elimination of nuclear energy by the year 2021 in Germany (there are many nuclear reactors at the border between Germany and France).

Shutting down nuclear power plants will backfire big time for Germany, just wait a couple of years.

Truth is, France's problem go deeper than simple politics. Electing Hollande over Sarkozy won't change anything.
 
As a German I hope Sarkozy will not be re-elected.

What are the chances that Hollande will change the energy system of France? Sarkozy still believes nuclear power is the way to go and this position is the exact opposite of the elimination of nuclear energy by the year 2021 in Germany (there are many nuclear reactors at the border between Germany and France).

Here's point 41 of Hollande's 60-point program:

I will preserve the independence of France while diversifying our sources of energy. I will reduce the share of nuclear energy in the national production of electricity from 75% to 50% by the year 2025, while guaranteeing maximum safety for the plants and pursuing the modernization of our nuclear industry. I will support the growth of renewable energy by supporting the creation and development of its (particular) industry. France will respect its international commitment towards the reduction of greenhouse gas. In this context, I will shut down the Fessenheim (near the German border) plant and will pursue the completion of the Flamanville EPR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Pressurized_Reactor)
Source: http://francoishollande.fr/le-projet/
 

Sotha Sil

Member
Also, I'd like to know why people see Sarkozy winning (real question, knowing that the right didn't win anything those past five years, that Sarkozy probably won't find again his 2007 aura and that the UMP is in danger of exploding if they don't win this time).

He's got the charm and the muscle. Let's face it, Hollande has made a lot of progress, but his rhetoric skills still pale in comparison to Sarkozy's - and his campaign staff sucks. Sarko's clearly got the best team (Buisson alone is an incredible spin doctor), and I really think mastering communication is half the battle.

More worrying are Hollande's lack of bold ideas. All compromising and reactionary measures. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but I really think his "normal" persona won't help him as much as he thinks against Sarkozy's signature subersive-yet-popular ideas.
 

G.O.O.

Member
Overall, what we need to know is that whether or not this will save him from where he is right now. I agree about his rhetorics and his team, but right now it seems a bit late for them to start working now that they've managed to lose even the senate.

Also, people are tired of him - we all know that, and that's OK as long as he can pretend he's a necessary evil. Now that we've lost the AAA, he has everything to prove, and the left will drag him here. Which means technical debates no one will win - he won't be able to pretend he did everything he could, because he didn't.

That's why he started about the values, which is where he could make the smooth-talking work. But that may be his last chance, and he'll have to make people believe that his values weren't those of the past five years. Which may be a bit tricky - he can do it, but really not sure that'll pay off.
 
Overall, what we need to know is that whether or not this will save him from where he is right now. I agree about his rhetorics and his team, but right now it seems a bit late for them to start working now that they've managed to lose even the senate.

Also, people are tired of him - we all know that, and that's OK as long as he can pretend he's a necessary evil. Now that we've lost the AAA, he has everything to prove, and the left will drag him here. Which means technical debates no one will win - he won't be able to pretend he did everything he could, because he didn't.

That's why he started about the values, which is where he could make the smooth-talking work. But that may be his last chance, and he'll have to make people believe that his values weren't those of the past five years. Which may be a bit tricky - he can do it, but really not sure that'll pay off.
I like your posts.


Sarkozy to announce candidacy ‘this week’
By Tony Todd the 13/02/2012 - 15:28

Experts anticipate that French President Nicolas Sarkozy will this week announce his candidacy to run in this spring’s presidential election. Why has he held off until now?

French leader Nicolas Sarkozy is widely expected to announce his candidature for May’s presidential election in the coming days.

On the surface, things are not looking good for incumbent president, with opinion polls showing Sarkozy trailing some ten points behind 57-year-old Socialist rival Francois Hollande.

Hollande was nominated as the Socialist Party’s candidate in a new US-style primary back in October 2011. The primary proved popular in France and fixed him in the mind of the French electorate as the main opposition candidate.

Not so Sarkozy, who has resolutely avoided all mention of his own candidacy to the frustration of his opponents, keen to let battle begin.

Some have accused him of holding off until the last minute so that he could make maximum use of his presidential exposure as an unofficial platform to promote himself.

Once he declares himself candidate, however, Sarkozy will have to separate his official line as president from that of presidential hopeful. Candidates are given strictly equal air time during the official campaigning period which ends on April 20.

Rallying the conservatives

With less than three months to go before the election, Sarkozy needs to begin getting his house in order now if he is to have any chance of winning, according to Mathieu Doiret, head of research at French pollster IPSOS.

“Sarkozy doesn’t really have any choice,” he told FRANCE 24. “He’s been holding out because he wanted and needed to be the president, rather than a presidential candidate, for as long as possible.

“But he is trailing behind Hollande in the polls and you can’t catch up a lead like that in a few weeks - he needs three months to do it. He has no choice than to put his candidacy forward now.”

Sarkozy certainly has much to achieve in the next three months. Doiret anticipates that the centre-right leader’s only hope for success will be to rally the country’s conservative voters behind him, something he achieved before the 2007 election.

But over the past five years, Sarkozy has been losing that critical support. Rising prices and concerns over immigration have turned many of his supporters to other conservative candidates, particularly Marine Le Pen’s far-right National Front.

Referendums on foreigners and the unemployed

The last year has seen the government harden its stance on conservative issues including immigration.

To drive this home, Sarkozy told right-leaning daily Le Figaro Saturday that he wanted to hold referendums on unemployment rules and the status of foreigners living in France – inviting accusations from the left of populism.

“Sarkozy absolutely needs to get a critical mass of conservative support,” said Doiret. “If he can get 25% of the population intending to vote for him, then he will be in a position to fight Hollande effectively in the second round of the election.

“He has everything to fight for, and despite Hollande’s current poll lead, he is still in with a chance.”

This view was shared by Prime Minister and Sarkozy ally Francois Fillon, who told left-leaning daily Le Monde on Monday that the game was wide open.

“Nothing is a foregone conclusion,” he said. “The polls and the commentaries will change completely in the three weeks before the election once the public has seen the candidates go head to head.

“Nicolas Sarkozy has a very good understanding of the feeling in the country. He has a direct connection with the French people and in the course of the campaign he will find the right words and the right way to address the people directly.”

Fillon also rejected the charge that the campaign was drifting ever more to the right following Sarkozy’s promise to hold referendums on contentious issues like unemployment and the status of foreigners.

“If politicians fail to address these issues, the president has every right to circumvent the deadlock by asking the people what they think,” he said.
http://www.france24.com/en/20120213...ance-paris-hollande-ump-socialists-right-wing
 
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