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Winter 2012 Anime Thread of Roundcats Up in This

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Jex

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With Jason seemingly dead to the world I suppose its up to ghostlightning to blaze the trail in blogging about Nisemonogatari - When Inauthenticity is Fanservice, It’s a NICE MONOGATARI BRO (Nisemonogatari 06)

Choice extracts:

ghostlightning said:
Here’s the manipulation: There are two value propositions in Nisemonogatari that on the surface at least, work at cross-purposes with each other: Smut, vs. the core story about bakemono and love, etc. The kimoi love the former, and the elitists love the latter. While there are those who genuinely love both without privilege or distinction, let’s leave those weirdos out of this.
If there’s anything that really intrigues me is this
Hanekawa bullying Senjougahara angle. I don’t even
… but oh my goodness this is delicious. Anyway, best episode yet. To love this and to deny all the spectacular smut I’d rather not have seen would be inauthentic. But to say that I’d rather have more pedophiliac smut in my Nisemonogatari would by lying and stupid. I hate this show. Tsundere service.Well, at least he's honest.
 
I see... if you go to one tell us, O.K.?



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One of the untitled old analog-digital mixes by JNT (JNTHED). Sorry, think I can't post his blogs directly because it has, along that base image, some pretty questionable content I suppose I'm not allowed to link to in here, but with the information you have now it will be pretty easy to find them.

I commenced this as a way of showing TEAM FULLMECHA's works because of this post (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=34979460&postcount=105), which reminds me I should be cycling through the avatars I made, and change to another one... right... NOW.

It looks pretty awesome

But he has a PivX account:

http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=4395
 

/XX/

Member
It looks pretty awesome

But he has a PivX account:

http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=4395
Yeah, his pixiv as well! He is even one of the resident gallery artists from pixiv's collaborator Kaikai Kiki Co., Ltd. (http://en.gallery-kaikaikiki.com/category/artists/jnthed/). His account also includes pretty useful technique guides in the vein of his JNTV's channel videos, although it has mostly submissions from his GADGADGET digital era and lacks some of the previous ones from RAKGADGET; very early drawings, 'comic-strip' doodles and some more like the base image of the avatar I've posted, for example.
 

BluWacky

Member
If there’s anything that really intrigues me is this
Hanekawa bullying Senjougahara angle. I don’t even
… but oh my goodness this is delicious. Anyway, best episode yet. To love this and to deny all the spectacular smut I’d rather not have seen would be inauthentic. But to say that I’d rather have more pedophiliac smut in my Nisemonogatari would by lying and stupid. I hate this show. Tsundere service.
Well, at least he's honest.

ghostlightning seems to be focusing on the linguistic smut rather than the visual smut. But then the dialogue has always been a strength of the Monogatari series, hasn't it? I don't care for the show (I actually loathe the dialogue - I can't stand the way Nisioisin writes) but that's what the "non-kimoi" people watch it for.

If you took out the visual smut - the Shinobu bath scenes or whatever, I dunno, I don't watch it - but left in the insinuations via the dialogue, wouldn't that make it a better show, by ghostlightning's assessment?

Also to class a viewer's relationship with a frustrating show as "tsundere" is an excessive reduction IMO. It seems to me that a tsundere is mean to hide their affection for their loved one as they are. Is criticising a show that you want to be better the same thing?
 
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Mirai Nikki 17

I rooted for the "bad" guys here. Probably says a lot about the "heroes" :/
 
Dirty Pair 26

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Wise words from Kei.

This was a great ending to the TV series, focusing on the best part of the show: Yuri and Kei's relationship. It was just another mission, albeit with a more personal angle
in rescuing the Chief
, but in the process there were lots of nice moments which brought out the importance and strength of that relationship.

Overall, this was a consistently well-made, fun show with a good amount of variety among its stories. I look forward to the OVAs.
 
Rinne no Lagrange is so super, it's like watching Nadesico again. I feel the same spirit and it makes me happy. And the mecha fight in the second half... great

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iavi

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ghostlightning seems to be focusing on the linguistic smut rather than the visual smut. But then the dialogue has always been a strength of the Monogatari series, hasn't it? I don't care for the show (I actually loathe the dialogue - I can't stand the way Nisioisin writes) but that's what the "non-kimoi" people watch it for.

If you took out the visual smut - the Shinobu bath scenes or whatever, I dunno, I don't watch it - but left in the insinuations via the dialogue, wouldn't that make it a better show, by ghostlightning's assessment?

Also to class a viewer's relationship with a frustrating show as "tsundere" is an excessive reduction IMO. It seems to me that a tsundere is mean to hide their affection for their loved one as they are. Is criticising a show that you want to be better the same thing?

Personally, I don't think they even know what they're focusing on:

ghostlightning said:
But going back to the GOLD in this episode, her statements about she wouldn’t be showing up if she really didn’t intend to help Koyomi and how she needed to be ordered as if she didn’t want to do anything for him naturally is there for her to save face is both touching and brilliant. It’s the show deconstructing the inauthenticity as it is delivered as tsundere service is one of the best things about this anime franchise. This is a crowning example.

Linguistic, visual, they do no separation of the sort. It's stated as nondescript (narrative?) vs nondescript(smut/narrative?), which is silly because to remove the smut from but one small part of the picture is basically them saying, "I love Senjo, her parts in particular are 'love,' therefore 'deep;' The rest is for creeps;" It's a false-dichtomy, (and also makes the quote on the 'kimoi' rationalizing their interests kind of ironic as that what the whole thing was written to do), as Senjougahara herself is, at the roots, but a trope devised to capitalize on the self-loathing of a viewer. It can't really be separated in the sense that they do. (And in the case of Bakemono, I can't think of a way to really separate it at all)

This trope abuse, with the sheer amount of it pervading anime, and particularly Nise, is neither 'touching' nor 'brilliant', and hardly does anything that deserves the phrasing 'deconstructing the authenticity.' Unless they literally mean it in the sense that it's 'obliterating the legitimacy,' which then I could agree with. The whole thing reads like the obfuscation of shallow idea, imo.

As for the tsundere bit they break it down here,

It’s inauthentic to keep hating on a show one truly cares for.

It’s also very authentic to keep criticizing a show because one truly cares for it.

Which doesn't actually reduce the viewer in the end, and reads fine, but I hardly see the need to further define the simple 'tsundere,' which itself is a reductionist term, true, but is apt enough as anime characters rarely ever move outside of its long defined one-note, imo.
 

Narag

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Melody of Oblivion 12

Global Bobcat was a disappointed. Finally to the monsters which supposedly outclass Bocca so I'm looking forward to that. Ep ended with a fine wtf moment too.

Black★Rock Shooter OVA

Huh, now I understand why folk are upset with the tv series. We go from a touching tale of friendship and what it means to maintain it to batshit characters and various flavors of weapons-grade macaroons. I was concerned the Otherworld would feel too far out of place but that wasn't so. All in all, a great watch.

Texnolyze 7

Amazing how tenuous the peace between Organo ahd the Union was. All it took was one man to rock the boat.

Super Robot Wars OG The Inspector 14-15
Alfimi finally introduced in 14. Finally got my Sanger/Elzam ep out of 15 too which ended up all sorts of awesome. <3

Colossal Blade living up to it's name.
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Also glad this joke was left in from the games.
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Jex

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If you took out the visual smut - the Shinobu bath scenes or whatever, I dunno, I don't watch it - but left in the insinuations via the dialogue, wouldn't that make it a better show, by ghostlightning's assessment?
Well, it would certainly be less awkward.
Also to class a viewer's relationship with a frustrating show as "tsundere" is an excessive reduction IMO. It seems to me that a tsundere is mean to hide their affection for their loved one as they are. Is criticising a show that you want to be better the same thing?
Not really, no. I can see why it's tempting to say that though, because it would 'fit' nicely. The temptation to make things 'fit' nicely is always a dangerous one because you draw conclusions out of thin air like that.
 

Envelope

sealed with a kiss
Bodacious Miniskirt Pirates 5
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Eyebrow moe~

So far, I've been enjoying this show significantly more than Lagrange. I'm guessing
Chiaki's pirate ship will join up with the Bentenmaru, the beginnings of Marika's very own pirate fleet?


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Why couldn't we get a show about her? :(
 

Jex

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This trope abuse, with the sheer amount of it pervading anime, and particularly Nise, is neither 'touching' nor 'brilliant', and hardly does anything that deserves the phrasing 'deconstructing the authenticity.' Unless they literally mean it in the sense that it's 'obliterating the legitimacy,' which then I could agree with. The whole thing reads like the obfuscation of shallow idea, imo.

Right, this isn't an uncommon trait in anime blogging. You see a wide variety of writers over-analyze and dissect their source material 'finding' meaning that isn't there (*cough* Evangelion *cough*). I'm not sure if this is an attempt to legitimise the show they're watching or their position as anime 'critics'.
 

jman2050

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Right, this isn't an uncommon trait in anime blogging. You see a wide variety of writers over-analyze and dissect their source material 'finding' meaning that isn't there (*cough* Evangelion *cough*). I'm not sure if this is an attempt to legitimise the show they're watching or their position as anime 'critics'.

That's probably why I enjoy Jason's blog so much, since he's less on the analytical side and more on the "Possibly insane. Also possibly not human, can't tell" side.
 

Jex

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Speaking of anime blogging, I find this post on Madoka to be interesting (SPOILERS for Madoka and Steins;Gate) - http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2012/02/madoka-of-temporal-recursions-and-noble-hearts/

I don't think this is a particularly great post or anything, I just find the way he approaches writing about the text interesting. This is because he starts his analysis like this -
I have been almost three years removed from any meaningful study of philosophy or literature that I cannot write intelligently about literary theories any longer. I have also never properly tackled the concept of deconstruction so I cannot give any rational comment on Derrida and Foucault. As much as I would like to analyze the series in those lenses, I have been inundated with only medicine these past few years.
He draws attention to his own ignorance on these subjects, which he then uses an excuse (rightly or wrongly) not to get involved with that part of the discussion. However, he then immediately goes on to say-
Despite being contrary to the series that I usually watch, Madoka wasn’t the first ‘magical girl’ series I have seen. Although I cannot speak of deconstruction intelligently, I think I’m versed enough to be able to speak of the series as a sort of subversion to what is commonly seen in such series. Little is common with Madoka and a series like Akazukin Chacha; even the hue of Pretear was incomparably lighter than Madoka’s. As far as the samples of ‘magical girl’ series go, Madoka is by far the darkest I have seen, in that it doesn’t really designate good from evil.
Okay, so once again he's drawing attention to his ignorance, but this time rather than shying away from a discussion he engages with it anyway. I have no idea how well versed he is in the magical girl genre, but even though he doesn't cite many example he still feels that he can draw a comparison between Madoka and the genre as a whole. This seems like a dangerous move from someone without a grounding in the magical girl genre. I mean, genre theory isn't quite that simple.

Why doesn't he treat discussions about 'Madoka vs The Magical Girl Genre' along the same lines as 'Madoka as a Deconstruction' - admit that he's ignorant about both fields. Then again, he's hardly alone in talking at length about Madoka vs The Magical Girl Genre without any real experience.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team
THIS SHOW WAS ABOUT TO TROLL ME. BUT IT DIDN"T.

THE BEST.
 

jman2050

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Speaking of anime blogging, I find this post on Madoka to be interesting (SPOILERS for Madoka and Steins;Gate) - http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2012/02/madoka-of-temporal-recursions-and-noble-hearts/

I don't think this is a particularly great post or anything, I just find the way he approaches writing about the text interesting. This is because he starts his analysis like this -

He draws attention to his own ignorance on these subjects, which he then uses an excuse (rightly or wrongly) not to get involved with that part of the discussion. However, he then immediately goes on to say-

Okay, so once again he's drawing attention to his ignorance, but this time rather than shying away from a discussion he engages with it anyway. I have no idea how well versed he is in the magical girl genre, but even though he doesn't cite many example he still feels that he can draw a comparison between Madoka and the genre as a whole. This seems like a dangerous move from someone without a grounding in the magical girl genre. I mean, genre theory isn't quite that simple.

Why doesn't he treat discussions about 'Madoka vs The Magical Girl Genre' along the same lines as 'Madoka as a Deconstruction' - admit that he's ignorant about both fields. Then again, he's hardly alone in talking at length about Madoka vs The Magical Girl Genre without any real experience.

You should start an anime blog deriding anime blogs.

Wait, sorry, that already exists :p

Mobile Suit Gundam: The 08th MS Team
TOMINO WAS ABOUT TO TROLL ME. BUT HE DIDN"T.

THE BEST.

Best non-G Gundam
 

dimb

Bjergsen is the greatest midlane in the world
Speaking of anime blogging, I find this post on Madoka to be interesting (SPOILERS for Madoka and Steins;Gate) - http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2012/02/madoka-of-temporal-recursions-and-noble-hearts/
...
Why doesn't he treat discussions about 'Madoka vs The Magical Girl Genre' along the same lines as 'Madoka as a Deconstruction' - admit that he's ignorant about both fields. Then again, he's hardly alone in talking at length about Madoka vs The Magical Girl Genre without any real experience.
Did you ever consider that in the same way anime blogs can over-analyze the material at hand, one could over-analyze the blog itself? His thesis about moral ambiguity existing in Madoka is fundamentally flawed. Guy is probably just pretty inept as a writer/critical thinker.
 

Jex

Member
Dirty Pair 26
Wise words from Kei.

This was a great ending to the TV series, focusing on the best part of the show: Yuri and Kei's relationship.
It was just another mission, albeit with a more personal angle
in rescuing the Chief
, but in the process there were lots of nice moments which brought out the importance and strength of that relationship.

That's certainly the most impressive thing about Dirty Pair - the main characters aren't ciphers, and I actually want to see more of the show just to watch their interactions and banter. I suppose that chemistry is essential for an episodic show after all, why else would you come back if you didn't like seeing the characters do what they do best? I suppose The Dirty Pairis more memorable because many other shows of that type completely fail to deliver in that regard.
 

BluWacky

Member
Speaking of anime blogging, I find this post on Madoka to be interesting (SPOILERS for Madoka and Steins;Gate) - http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2012/02/madoka-of-temporal-recursions-and-noble-hearts/

*post compares The King's Speech and Inception in terms of "non-linear storytelling"*
*head asplodes*

(is Inception really non-linear? I only saw it the one time but certainly didn't think so.)

I don't think Madoka is any more insightful into what "love" means than any number of magical girl anime. To use the Pretear example that Michael uses in that post, Takako's story arc isn't that different from Sayaka's - it's just a bit less melodramatic. And Madoka's sacrifice isn't really that different from, say, SPOILERS FOR A MAGICAL GIRL ANIME WITH A SIMILAR SACRIFICE AT THE END SO THIS WILL SPOIL THE ENDING IF YOU HIGHLIGHT IT
Nurse Angel Ririka SOS, where Ririka sacrifices herself at the end to heal the Earth from the Dark Vaccine
.

Not to take anything away from Madoka's achievements in being compelling entertainment with an entertaining aesthetic, but as I've probably said before although it's a grimdark take on magical girl themes the genre has never been afraid to go to dark places.
 

Jex

Member
Best non-G Gundam

I think it's the best non-&#8704; Gundam Gudam. Oh wait, no, there's still War in the Pocket. Hmm. I guess it's third place then, but that still puts it ahead of about 20 other shows, OVA's and movies.

It still offers the best (and I suppose one of the only) grunt-level perspectives of any Gundam show, which I really appreciate. Far too many shows end up focusing on nothing but Aces on Side A vs Aces on Side B which tends to get boring after a while both in terms of the story and the combat. The best parts of Gundam Unicorn involve grunts battling grunts. Of course, O8th MS Team eventually becomes
lone Gundam vs crazy giant robot, but then again the original director died early on in the project.
 

7Th

Member
Speaking of anime blogging, I find this post on Madoka to be interesting (SPOILERS for Madoka and Steins;Gate) - http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2012/02/madoka-of-temporal-recursions-and-noble-hearts/

I don't think this is a particularly great post or anything, I just find the way he approaches writing about the text interesting. This is because he starts his analysis like this -

He draws attention to his own ignorance on these subjects, which he then uses an excuse (rightly or wrongly) not to get involved with that part of the discussion. However, he then immediately goes on to say-

Okay, so once again he's drawing attention to his ignorance, but this time rather than shying away from a discussion he engages with it anyway. I have no idea how well versed he is in the magical girl genre, but even though he doesn't cite many example he still feels that he can draw a comparison between Madoka and the genre as a whole. This seems like a dangerous move from someone without a grounding in the magical girl genre. I mean, genre theory isn't quite that simple.

Why doesn't he treat discussions about 'Madoka vs The Magical Girl Genre' along the same lines as 'Madoka as a Deconstruction' - admit that he's ignorant about both fields. Then again, he's hardly alone in talking at length about Madoka vs The Magical Girl Genre without any real experience.

http://animeotaku.animeblogger.net/2011/11/ano-hanas-end-flirting-with-bathos/

Meanwhile on Anipages Daily...
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
MARUMARUMARUMARU 06:

Kamogawa Red Bull gives you wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiings.

Great episode. Exciting
mech fight
, lots of tension and dramatic infighting, Madoka really channeling that Jersey Club spirit in everything she does, and
Bodacious Space Tiger
cementing himself as a really entertaining antagonist
and pimp. If his mech has GOOD LUCK MODE everyone's gonna die
.

And that
cliffhanger twist
at the end.
Smiley
is up to no good, that's certain.

Why doesn't he treat discussions about 'Madoka vs The Magical Girl Genre' along the same lines as 'Madoka as a Deconstruction' - admit that he's ignorant about both fields. Then again, he's hardly alone in talking at length about Madoka vs The Magical Girl Genre without any real experience.

The extent of most people's knowledge of mahou shoujo is a couple of episodes of Sailor Moon or a parody transformation sequence/anime-within-an-anime on television in any number of non-mahou shoujo anime. The general assumption seems to be that the genre = ridiculous transformations, little girls, frilly clothing, bright colors, general sugarcoating. I've only seen some Sailor Moon and Precure, but I know that the history of mahou shoujo extends back decades and has undergone several evolutions, so I don't know if the current hallmarks of the genre are actually integral to the definition of the genre or if they're merely byproducts of the fact that popular mahou shoujo series are heavily marketed toward young girls. I know that I can't make that call having only seen a few popular and relatively modern examples of the genre.

I think that Madoka is a valid deconstruction of the mahou shoujo genre from my limited experience, but not merely because it's dark as some seem to think.
 

Izick

Member
Hello, AnimeGaf.

So, I'm not a huge anime fan, my interest basically lived and died with Toonami/Adult Swim.

For some reason, I decided to use the new Xbox 360 Youtube App, and decided to search Case Closed, one of my favorite memories from the CN days. I watched the first CC movie, and thought it was pretty awesome. Lot of great things I remembered from the show were in there.

So, I've come to learn that somehow the show is still going on today, but I was more curious to know what Gaf's take on the show is, and how did you all feel about the first movie?
 

Jex

Member
Did you ever consider that in the same way anime blogs can over-analyze the material at hand, one could over-analyze the blog itself? His thesis about moral ambiguity existing in Madoka is fundamentally flawed. Guy is probably just pretty inept as a writer/critical thinker.

I just found it funny that on one hand he very clearly identifies a flaw in his experience that prevents him from talking about subject X, but then immediately ignores this wise approach with an unrelated subject and falls into the very same pitfall that he so carefully avoided earlier.
 

jman2050

Member
Hello, AnimeGaf.

So, I'm not a huge anime fan, my interest basically lived and died with Toonami/Adult Swim.

For some reason, I decided to use the new Xbox 360 Youtube App, and decided to search Case Closed, one of my favorite memories from the CN days. I watched the first CC movie, and thought it was pretty awesome. Lot of great things I remembered from the show were in there.

So, I've come to learn that somehow the show is still going on today, but I was more curious to know what Gaf's take on the show is, and how did you all feel about the first movie?

I loved most of what I saw of Case Closed/Detective Conan, it just falls into my personal problem of being very overwhelming to someone who hasn't followed it from the start. It's very good though regardless.
 

Thoraxes

Member
Hello, AnimeGaf.

So, I'm not a huge anime fan, my interest basically lived and died with Toonami/Adult Swim.

For some reason, I decided to use the new Xbox 360 Youtube App, and decided to search Case Closed, one of my favorite memories from the CN days. I watched the first CC movie, and thought it was pretty awesome. Lot of great things I remembered from the show were in there.

So, I've come to learn that somehow the show is still going on today, but I was more curious to know what Gaf's take on the show is, and how did you all feel about the first movie?

I just think it's plain fun, and I have an undying love for mystery shows like Detective Conan, no matter what the presentation is. As someone who's watched up to episode 641, i'm still enjoying it. It's just kinda like that rock in my life that I return to no matter how I feel about some episodes.
 
Hunter x hunter 19

Pretty dark stuff for such an upbeat show. Maybe I should read the manga. Really liking all the mind game stuff vs the usual dbz punching for a few eps.
 

Branduil

Member
Jexhius working hard to get that Shamewall victory. But he still has 73 posts to go, and only 300 posts in which to do it. I'm excited to see how this turns out. I'm expecting that we'll reach the end of the thread sometime tonight.
 

Jex

Member
Dat Gouf Custom.
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That Gundam vs. Gouf Custom battle is my favourite in the whole of the Gundam franchise. I mean, there's lots of neat battles in Gundam Unicorn and Stardust Memory but I don't really care about any of the characters engaged in those battles, so for me it's just visually pleasing but ultimately pointless. Kind of like the action in Redline.
 

Thoraxes

Member
Jexhius working hard to get that Shamewall victory. But he still has 73 posts to go, and only 300 posts in which to do it. I'm excited to see how this turns out. I'm expecting that we'll reach the end of the thread sometime tonight.

Today is Maru Sunday. It may happen sooner than expected.
 

Dresden

Member
Jexhius working hard to get that Shamewall victory. But he still has 73 posts to go, and only 300 posts in which to do it. I'm excited to see how this turns out. I'm expecting that we'll reach the end of the thread sometime tonight.

I wonder if anyone will cockblock him by posting more, thus hastening the end of the thread.
 

hellclerk

Everything is tsundere to me
High School DxD 6

This show is so terrible, but the side characters are SOOOOOOO hilarious. The MANhaou Shoujo, the
TWO blokes in armor
I could not stop laughing. The failed deal with the devil, pretty much wrapped up the best episode yet. However, I know, I KNOW it can't last. This show just has to go back to being the trashiest thing this season with blatant panty and boob shots and unabashed pandering.

If it doesn't... well... how will I hate myself anymore? ;____;
 
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