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Winter 2012 Anime Thread of Roundcats Up in This

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Jex

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Jexhius is just down by 45 posts now, victory can be his! Cajun getting knocked out by allegations of steroid abuse for fifty games helped.

This has actually happened on two other occasions, two other posters who were once in the lead. Clearly it's a cursed position.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Approximately 3.5 pages left. At 50 ppp, Jehxius only needs to make one post for every 4 posts to beat cajun.

Re: Gundam protags being expert pilots out of the box

I think kids still more readily relate to kids. Batman, superman, kamen rider, etc, are role models. Luffy, Naruto, et al are more like surrogate/make-believe friends. That and Japan has some ubiquitous obsession with youth (pedos har har).
 
I don't really mean the OP/ED specifically-- I enjoy the more subtle, recurring tracks a good deal. I think it's so often that it's just white noise for me in other anime that finding one with music I enjoy gets me giddy.

I don't think the Lagrange OST, apart from the OP/ED, is worth listening to on its own. But it fits perfectly into the overall aesthetic of the show and the music direction is fantastic, transitioning between fast, pumping action and quieter asides perfectly.

This has actually happened on two other occasions, two other posters who were once in the lead. Clearly it's a cursed position.

The game is rigged!
 

Steroyd

Member
Well thank you AnimeGaf, I appreciate the replies. You all are one of the nicest group of folk that I've talked to on here so far
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(Long, long time lurker, ((finally)) new user.)

A fellow Liverpool supporter. :')

Wait, what?

We probably look like saints compared to the gaming side. lulz

Cardcaptors - 52

Sakura's new Fly card upgrade was one of the reasons for me flatlining last episode, this show has just gone to rediculous levels of cute, while shit is getting real at the same time as love triangles of interest are all over the place. @_@

How the hell is Cajun handling all of this I wonder.
 

Novid

Banned
Thanks, AnimeGaf! I'm glad you guys enjoyed the CC/Conan series as much as I did!



Hm...that's a very good question.

I was younger (obviously) at the time, and I think I ate up eating anything that Toonami gave me. I was introduced into the whole Anime scene through DBZ in fact, and I remember Gundam reaffirming my interest in the medium.

I loved everything about the shows though. I loved the action and drama from DBZ, DB, Gundam, and others. Then I loved the weirdness and sexual friction of something like Kenshin Muyo or Inuyasha. I loved the different style of Lupin the 3rd or Case Closed. Obviously there were more reasons to love each of these shows, but these were some hard points I remember. Shoot, I even would watch Sailor Moon even though it was fairly cheesy in most aspects.

Then, Toonami died out, and I got older. I remember one Anime....damn you guys are going to want to kill me for this...it was something about this wandering red haird swordsman....he was like ridiculously good with a sword. (You all are screaming the name at the screen at this point.)

That was the last Anime I remember ever thinking (Okay, it's on at 5pm, so I have to watch that shit then.) but slowly that faded away. I kind of slowly faded away from enjoying TV all together, and so my enjoyment of Anime followed.

So I think it was a mixture of things:

1.) Toonami was dying, and thus the only real connection I had with these shows was going along with it.

2.) I was getting to that phase where watching Anime/Cartoons wasn't cool...dude. (Not saying that was right; in fact, saying it was stupid to ever think that way.)

3.) Didn't have the free time I used to.

I think if a show was to come on at a decent time, I would give it a shot, but who am I to say? I don't watch that much TV anymore, but isn't that the beautiful thing about the internet? Even if you've missed a show's episode or entire series, you can find them online, whether it be through Youtube or what not.

Hell, I watch some of the most deplorable and boring content on TV nearly every week in wrestling. I've always loved wrestling because of some things it had in common with that Toonami anime. Big characters, big storylines, everything is overblown, usually to a stupid point, but you love it. You love that everything is settled honorable, or some crazy shenanigans go down and the bad guy wins/gets away.

Too be honest, if I were to ever start watching some Anime again, I would have no idea where to even start. I was thinking about buying some of the DBZ Blu-Rays, or possibly watch GT, since I never had in the past. I've also been contemplating getting back into Case Closed (thanks to a Gaffer, you know who you are [: ).

College is busy, but I think the best thing to do is let go of some steam by yourself sometimes. I've always thought balance was a good motto for life. It's nice to go out and party with friends, but then it's nice to sit at home and play some games by yourself. Anyways, all I'm saying is that I've been contemplating watching some shows again, but I have no idea where to start, or with what.

Holy shit, I bet you didn't want a WALL-O-TEXT reply like that, haha. Sorry! Hope you get an answer out of that incoherent rambling I just did.

Its fine, your the first junior member that gets it truly. I pretty much have the same view of Toonami (and the Pro Entertaiment side of the business) as you.
 

DiGiKerot

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This sounds pretty close to firehawk12's view that because SHAFT are making fun of fanservice, it's okay for them to fill their shows full of smut. It seems like lots of people are willing to make strange, logic bending excuses for SHAFT. I'm not sure what they've done to achieve such trust from their fanbase.

Silly question, perhaps, but how many SHAFT shows are actually filled with service? I mean, there's Bake/Nise (and Bake was pretty tame in comparison), and Vampire Bund obviously, but otherwise a lot of their shows seem pretty tame in comparison.

I'm just saying, it isn't really so much "what has SHAFT done to achieve such trust" as it is Nisemonogatari that's getting a pass. To which the answer is that they made a first season that (a few exceptions aside) was way less obnoxious (or, perhaps, way more honest) about its service. Also a show that did way more in way less of it's run time. You can ride a long way on existing positive feelings and nostalgia.
 

Mature

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I don't think the Lagrange OST, apart from the OP/ED, is worth listening to on its own. But it fits perfectly into the overall aesthetic of the show and the music direction is fantastic, transitioning between fast, pumping action and quieter asides perfectly.
Yeah, this is what I was getting at.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
I don't understand where the phrase "exception that proves the rule" came from. If I was the first ever person to hear it, I would tell whoever said it that it is a dumb and nonsensical phrase.

You can't prove rules with exceptions. Contradictions, maybe, in certain formal logics, but not exceptions. No one, to my knowledge, has ever made a compelling argument by pointing out a specific case where their argument did not hold, or broke down, or was inconsistent.
 

Dresden

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That's assuming that the thread will lock, neatly, at 20,000. I have a feeling it'll stretch out due to *cough* unexplained reasons *cough* until his victory is assured.
 

Instro

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Nise 6

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See she is an adult inside, totally not a loli. "No" doesn't mean "no" so Araragi is in the clear with this one. Plus since Shinobu is hundreds of years old, she isn't a loli either. Araragi isn't a true pedo after all.

A legit good episode this week. As I originally thought, Shinobu is a great addition to the cast when she is clothed. She has a neat dynamic with Araragi, their interaction this week was fun. I particularly enjoyed the amount of quality head tilts this week, they really shined in the Senjougahara scenes.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Silly question, perhaps, but how many SHAFT shows are actually filled with service? I mean, there's Bake/Nise (and Bake was pretty tame in comparison), and Vampire Bund obviously, but otherwise a lot of their shows seem pretty tame in comparison.
There's zero service in HidaSketch and each half episode ends with a bath... and I'm pretty sure Natsu no Arashi and Soredemo had no service. Arakawa certainly did not and neither did Madoka. I want to say SZS had no service as well, but I honestly can't remember.

In fact, to say it's a SHAFT thing is to essentially ignore most of their work.
 

Jex

Member
Re: Gundam protags being expert pilots out of the box

I think kids still more readily relate to kids. Batman, superman, kamen rider, etc, are role models. Luffy, Naruto, et al are more like surrogate/make-believe friends. That and Japan has some ubiquitous obsession with youth (pedos har har).

I suppose that makes sense, but then the implication is somewhat disturbing because these kids are essentially child soldiers. Then again, I guess Gundam shows do talk about that aspect of the franchise from time to time, but with Tomino writing the scripts it's generally handled badly.
 

7Th

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Silly question, perhaps, but how many SHAFT shows are actually filled with service? I mean, there's Bake/Nise (and Bake was pretty tame in comparison), and Vampire Bund obviously, but otherwise a lot of their shows seem pretty tame in comparison.

The shows they produced with Gainax were filled with fanservice: Mahoromatic, He is My Master and KonoMimi.
 

Envelope

sealed with a kiss
This was a great episode. After the atrocious animation in episode 7 and only decent animation in episode 8, it was nice to have a really well drawn episode. the monster design was pretty boring though.

While it was business as usual for the plot, a standard "do what you love, rather than being a mindless wage-slave", the part that really stood out for me was the
description of Tsubomi's past. Travelling/overseas parents is one of the most overused tropes in anime by far, so the more realistic portrayal here of the lonely girl and oblivious parents who finally caught on was an excellent touch, and gave the main conflict in this episode a lot more depth than usual.

and it looks like the
Enemy Precure
finally makes another appearance next episode!
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
That's assuming that the thread will lock, neatly, at 20,000. I have a feeling it'll stretch out due to *cough* unexplained reasons *cough* until his victory is assured.
But that's also assuming someone who was feeling particularly vindictive for no reason at all closes the thread early.

Or when they tie just to fuck with him.
I suppose that makes sense, but then the implication is somewhat disturbing because these kids are essentially child soldiers. Then again, I guess Gundam shows do talk about that aspect of the franchise from time to time, but with Tomino writing the scripts it's generally handled badly.
Gundam, I feel, is a bag of contradictions, inconsistencies and strange ironies.
 

jman2050

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There's zero service in HidaSketch and each half episode ends with a bath... and I'm pretty sure Natsu no Arashi and Soredemo had no service. Arakawa certainly did not and neither did Madoka. I want to say SZS had no service as well, but I honestly can't remember.

In fact, to say it's a SHAFT thing is to essentially ignore most of their work.

Depends on what qualifies as "service"
 

Jex

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Silly question, perhaps, but how many SHAFT shows are actually filled with service? I mean, there's Bake/Nise (and Bake was pretty tame in comparison), and Vampire Bund obviously, but otherwise a lot of their shows seem pretty tame in comparison.

I'm just saying, it isn't really so much "what has SHAFT done to achieve such trust" as it is Nisemonogatari that's getting a pass. To which the answer is that they made a first season that (a few exceptions aside) was way less obnoxious (or, perhaps, way more honest) about its service. Also a show that did way more in way less of it's run time. You can ride a long way on existing positive feelings and nostalgia.

The fanservice in Bakemonogatari was somewhat 'classy' from time to time, by which I mean it wasn't excessively gratuitous, but then the BD version of the Snake-arc came out and it's pretty hard to explain or defend what they did there.

I think Nisemonogatari gets rightfully attacked for having too much fanservice that serves no purpose other than titillation and time wasting.
 

Verelios

Member
I don't want to be that guy, but just by the synopsis I'm thinking that Rinne is some heaping trash. This doesn't even count the fact that Anime-GAF wanted to watch most of the fall anime.
 

Dresden

Member
I don't want to be that guy, but just by the synopsis I'm thinking that Rinne is some heaping trash. This doesn't even count the fact that Anime-GAF wanted to watch most of the fall anime.

If you really wanted to make a splash you'd insult Natsume or Chihayafuru.
 

Jex

Member
Gundam, I feel, is a bag of contradictions, inconsistencies and strange ironies.

I suppose that's half the fun of watching the 'bad' Gundams - revelling in all those problems can be amusing from time to time (but not for 50 episodes).
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
There's zero service in HidaSketch and each half episode ends with a bath... and I'm pretty sure Natsu no Arashi and Soredemo had no service. Arakawa certainly did not and neither did Madoka. I want to say SZS had no service as well, but I honestly can't remember.

In fact, to say it's a SHAFT thing is to essentially ignore most of their work.

Did you forget the massive amounts of
belly button porn
in Arashi and the fact that the main characters in Soredemo are dressed as meidos half of the time? Sometimes SHAFT's copious service goes under the radar by by pandering to a particular niche fetish in a given show. You just have to have the (rather perverted) eyes for picking up on these details.
 

Branduil

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That's assuming that the thread will lock, neatly, at 20,000. I have a feeling it'll stretch out due to *cough* unexplained reasons *cough* until his victory is assured.

First they ban cajunator, then they fail to make a new thread in a timely fashion. Jexhius has some powerful friends.
 
The fanservice in Bakemonogatari was somewhat 'classy' from time to time, by which I mean it wasn't excessively gratuitous, but then the BD version of the Snake-arc came out and it's pretty hard to explain or defend what they did there.

I stopped watching Bakemonogatari at that point for pretty much that exact reason. Mind you, I found the show itself somewhat underwhelming. Not the best of 2009, from what I saw at least (a year that gave us Cross Game and Eden of the East).

From the comments on here, I'm somewhat glad I decided to give Nise a miss.
 

Jex

Member
I don't want to be that guy, but just by the synopsis I'm thinking that Rinne is some heaping trash. This doesn't even count the fact that Anime-GAF wanted to watch most of the fall anime.

Well, to be fair, the first episode is filled with lots of unnecessary fanservice of the protagonist, but it gets toned down as the show progesses. It's light hearted and silly, which is fine because that was what they were going for.
 

jman2050

Member
I think Nisemonogatari gets rightfully attacked for having too much fanservice that serves no purpose other than titillation and time wasting.

The pacing of the show in general is slow (not that I mind at all, but YMMV of course) but I don't think the fanservice is "time-wasting" so much as it is a seemingly unnecessary 'distraction' to some scenes.

Or to put it another way, I don't think the perceived pacing problems with Nise would be solved in any way whatsoever just by removing the fanservice.
 

Jex

Member
Did you forget the massive amounts of
belly button porn
in Arashi and the fact that the main characters in Soredemo are dressed as meidos half of the time? Sometimes SHAFT's copious service goes under the radar by by pandering to a particular niche fetish in a given show. You just have to have the (rather perverted) eyes for picking up on these details.

Those are some of the most respectable maid uniforms in anime!
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
I see no problem at all with the fanservice in Nise and I think I'm pretty well adjusted.
 

Jex

Member
The pacing of the show in general is slow (not that I mind at all, but YMMV of course) but I don't think the fanservice is "time-wasting" so much as it is a seemingly unnecessary 'distraction' to some scenes.

Or to put it another way, I don't think the perceived pacing problems with Nise would be solved in any way whatsoever just by removing the fanservice.

You're right, in that the fanservice is more emblematic of a wider problem with the shows overall pacing, but I still think you can complain about fanservice on the grounds that most fanservice is objectionable by its very nature.

Also, for some reason people aren't really fans of lolis, it makes them feel bad about watching the show.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with your avatar at all.
It's not my fault if people look at it and immediately start concocting perverted and deranged sexual scenarios in their head.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Did you forget the massive amounts of
belly button porn
in Arashi and the fact that the main characters in Soredemo are dressed as meidos half of the time? Sometimes SHAFT's copious service goes under the radar by by pandering to a particular niche fetish in a given show. You just have to have the (rather perverted) eyes for picking up on these details.
Meidos aren't service! Besides, given the number of "camera on floor" shots that they do, they happily avoid the creepy upskirt shots.

Why do you think I'm posting right now?
We have to post faster!
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
Those are some of the most respectable maid uniforms in anime!

I didn't know that "respectable" could describe any maid costume. Soredemo didn't have a particularly high bar to overcome in that regard. I have incredibly low standards, but I still find the concept of maid cafes fairly unsettling!
 

/XX/

Member
SHAFT fans? No offense but, I would have reservations... I'd be wary of relying on a particular studio in the first place. The people in charge are the important part, those come, go or change given the circumstances, and SHAFT isn't what could be called a young studio either... they have worked on many different things on that time.

Many studios work in tasks simply handed to them, for externally pitched and viable concepts that production companies think those can accomplish.

But I'm not saying that is the only thing studios do, of course... mainly self-financed projects, ideas originated from boards of directors, the personal aim of certain (respected enough on the industry) individuals... all those things are obviously there. I'm only trying to say that those entities on such a industry are what seems to simply be extremely dependent actors on all this.
 
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