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Mass Effect 3 PC will NOT have gamepad support

Jtrizzy

Member
I don't really see x padder recreating the analog movement properly. Last night, I tested the demo out with my G13 keyboard. I put wasd on the analog joystick, and was having problems with the cover system. I have no experience with the program but I don't see it being that good.
 

Ledsen

Member
I don't really see x padder recreating the analog movement properly. Last night, I tested the demo out with my G13 keyboard. I put wasd on the analog joystick, and was having problems with the cover system. I have no experience with the program but I don't see it being that good.

Of course it won't make digital inputs analog, and that's indeed one of the problems with that approach.
 

-COOLIO-

The Everyman
ugh, dissapointing. I think this was the difference between a day 1 $60 and day 365 on steam for $5 for me
 

Jtrizzy

Member
Trying to remember back to the last time I've been forced to skip a game like this. Definitely a PS3 port or two that I've passed on, but it's very rare.
 

SmokyDave

Member
I have a spare 'UseXInput=True' lying around on my clipboard. Maybe I should send it over to them and get credited as a programmer.
 

Jerykk

Banned
It's getting that way. I consider it the standard for PC now.

The standard controller(s) for PC is mouse and keyboard. Every PC game supports mouse and keyboard unless it's an absolutely horrible port like RE4 that didn't have mouse support. The 360 pad is standard for games that support gamepads because most of those games are X360 ports and MS decided to create a new API (xinput) that only supports the X360 controller and none of the hundreds of DirectInput devices that have been released over the years. As such, developers just stick with Xinput because supporting one API is much easier than supporting two.

As for ME3, I assume the reason they don't support gamepads is because they'd have to change the UI. Since they already have a UI designed for the X360/PS3, I'm not sure why they couldn't just switch to it if the player uses a gamepad. In any case, I'm not very broken up about it because M/KB is objectively superior (a mouse is undeniably faster and more precise than an analog stick) for shooters.
 

Wallach

Member
The standard controller(s) for PC is mouse and keyboard. Every PC game supports mouse and keyboard unless it's an absolutely horrible port like RE4 that didn't have mouse support. The 360 pad is standard for games that support gamepads because most of those games are X360 ports and MS decided to create a new API (xinput) that only supports the X360 controller and none of the hundreds of DirectInput devices that have been released over the years. As such, developers just stick with Xinput because supporting one API is much easier than supporting two.

As for ME3, I assume the reason they don't support gamepads is because they'd have to change the UI. Since they already have a UI designed for the X360/PS3, I'm not sure why they couldn't just switch to it if the player uses a gamepad. In any case, I'm not very broken up about it because M/KB is objectively superior (a mouse is undeniably faster and more precise than an analog stick) for shooters.

A mouse being objectively more accurate as a device does not make it an objectively superior user experience; it's pretty obvious why the audience at large wants more options.
 

Ledsen

Member
The standard controller(s) for PC is mouse and keyboard. Every PC game supports mouse and keyboard unless it's an absolutely horrible port like RE4 that didn't have mouse support. The 360 pad is standard for games that support gamepads because most of those games are X360 ports and MS decided to create a new API (xinput) that only supports the X360 controller and none of the hundreds of DirectInput devices that have been released over the years. As such, developers just stick with Xinput because supporting one API is much easier than supporting two.

As for ME3, I assume the reason they don't support gamepads is because they'd have to change the UI. Since they already have a UI designed for the X360/PS3, I'm not sure why they couldn't just switch to it if the player uses a gamepad. In any case, I'm not very broken up about it because M/KB is objectively superior (a mouse is undeniably faster and more precise than an analog stick) for shooters.

There is absolutely no need for the precision of a mouse in Mass Effect. The gamepad is more than enough no matter which difficulty setting you're playing at, and ergonomically it's objectively superior.
 

Snuggles

erotic butter maelstrom
There is absolutely no need for the precision of a mouse in Mass Effect. The gamepad is more than enough no matter which difficulty setting you're playing at, and ergonomically it's objectively superior.

Pretty much. This isn't Counter Strike or some shit, I play Mass Effect on normal. The KB/M hotkeys are nice, but I don't need them. I'd love to be able to just kick back with a controller, and the game wouldn't be the least bit compromised if I did.
 

smr00

Banned
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Doesn't seem like they care too much, either.
wow.. what a shitty response.

basically they might, might not work we dont give a fuck just give us money is the vibe i get from it.
 
The standard controller(s) for PC is mouse and keyboard. Every PC game supports mouse and keyboard unless it's an absolutely horrible port like RE4 that didn't have mouse support. The 360 pad is standard for games that support gamepads because most of those games are X360 ports and MS decided to create a new API (xinput) that only supports the X360 controller and none of the hundreds of DirectInput devices that have been released over the years. As such, developers just stick with Xinput because supporting one API is much easier than supporting two..

Well of course KB/M is THE standard for PC.

I was talking about joypads, where the 360 pad is definitely the standard.
 
You know what's worst about this? I just loaded up the demo and I can't bind the Delete key to reload. I use it as reload in every game.

So not only are they excluding joypads, they can't even let you customise the controls the way you want.

Pathetic.
 

Keasar

Member
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Doesn't seem like they care too much, either.

That was their response to all this? Not even at least give a little "Sorry for the dissapointment"?

Seriously Bioware, what the fuck is up with you? Those Vidya Game Awards wins are starting to be deserved.
 

zombieshavebrains

I have not used cocaine
I could kinda understand the reasoning behind no controller support for DA:O. The camera was different than on the consoles. For ME1 the interface was a bit different as well. But ME2 and from what i've seen/heard of ME3 it is the exact. same. thing. as the console. I like playing games with a controller so it frustrates me when devs don't add it in. It frustrates me even more when no reason is given as to why.
 

lotrfan

Neo Member
I'm assuming that is some sort of speed toggle? So you're saying that pushing W + D with your index + middle finger while simultaneously holding shift with your pinky is preferable to pushing an analog stick 2 cm with your thumb? That's a fine example of the point I've been trying to make this whole time.
Honest question. Why would I want to press W + D? To move diagonally? I can’t think of any reason to do this be it sneaking, walking or running. Sometimes I do for the sake of it (while not in combat or doing anything special) but not because I have to.
 

closnyc

Banned
is this thread serious? why do you need pad support when it plays so much better on keyboard and mouse and the interface is perfect for pc? my god, people need to stop whining about the wrong things when it comes to pc gaming. WHat you should be complaining about is the FOV, the animations, the no holstering animation because consoles ram coudlnt handle it so they took out the animation in order to give us roll animation, yet they dont bother to use the pcs memory to add holstering. No high res textures again on the armor. If youre going to complain about something, do it about something that is worthwhile. If you play with a pad, go play on console. This game runs amazing on keyboard and mouse. I seriously question how many of you complainign about this are actually buying the game and how many of you are actually pc gamers. Pad support on ME, my god. Then you complain it suffers from consolitis, yet you are asking for it.
 

Ledsen

Member
is this thread serious? why do you need pad support when it plays so much better on keyboard and mouse and the interface is perfect for pc? my god, people need to stop whining about the wrong things when it comes to pc gaming. WHat you should be complaining about is the FOV, the animations, the no holstering animation because consoles ram coudlnt handle it so they took out the animation in order to give us roll animation, yet they dont bother to use the pcs memory to add holstering. No high res textures again on the armor. If youre going to complain about something, do it about something that is worthwhile. If you play with a pad, go play on console. This game runs amazing on keyboard and mouse. I seriously question how many of you complainign about this are actually buying the game and how many of you are actually pc gamers. Pad support on ME, my god. Then you complain it suffers from consolitis, yet you are asking for it.

So guys, here is the mythical brainless PC elitist you've been asking for. I hope you're happy.

closnyc: A great tip to enhance your future GAF experience: please learn to read the OP before posting in a thread.
 

catabarez

Member
is this thread serious? why do you need pad support when it plays so much better on keyboard and mouse and the interface is perfect for pc? my god, people need to stop whining about the wrong things when it comes to pc gaming. WHat you should be complaining about is the FOV, the animations, the no holstering animation because consoles ram coudlnt handle it so they took out the animation in order to give us roll animation, yet they dont bother to use the pcs memory to add holstering. No high res textures again on the armor. If youre going to complain about something, do it about something that is worthwhile. If you play with a pad, go play on console. This game runs amazing on keyboard and mouse. I seriously question how many of you complainign about this are actually buying the game and how many of you are actually pc gamers. Pad support on ME, my god. Then you complain it suffers from consolitis, yet you are asking for it.
Because the greatest thing about PC gaming is options. Get out of here with your nonsense.
 

closnyc

Banned
haha, my god. So sad to see these kind of things. Options. Yes, you want options, but when we get pad support you all complain that it is dumbed down and there are not even proper pc controls. You are all hypocrites. Go play on consoles if you want pad. For pc, stick with your MAIN controls. Oh, and before i forget. The options are there. Xpadder, joy2key, etc. So options are there, just because the developer doesnt put them, doesnt mean you should all whine about it, specially for being such a small niche like this. Complain about the real stuff. Graphics, FOV, console mp mode, no enogh hotkeys, etc.
 

Saty

Member
Were these Twitter comments posted?
"There is a development cost in terms of time/effort to get all the graphical user interfaces so 360 buttons show up on PC," senior designer Manveer Heir explained to Eurogamer reader j0hn385 on Twitter.
"It may seem minor, but our GUI team was already stretched thin, and things were coming in at the last minute, so we couldn't add more work."
"Definitely not 'we don't give a damn'," Manveer Heir riposted. "It's unfortunate and I understand why people are upset, but there are dev realities, sadly."
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-why-pc-mass-effect-3-doesnt-support-gamepads
 

catabarez

Member
haha, my god. So sad to see these kind of things. Options. Yes, you want options, but when we get pad support you all complain that it is dumbed down and there are not even proper pc controls. You are all hypocrites. Go play on consoles if you want pad. For pc, stick with your MAIN controls. Oh, and before i forget. The options are there. Xpadder, joy2key, etc. So options are there, just because the developer doesnt put them, doesnt mean you should all whine about it, specially for being such a small niche like this. Complain about the real stuff. Graphics, FOV, console mp mode, no enogh hotkeys, etc.
As far as I am aware the kb&m controls are gimped BECAUSE it was on consoles, so those controls aren't even implemented correctly. Joy2key and xpadder are some options but that does not mean it will be as easy as straight gamepad support. We are not being hypocrites, this game is a PORT, there was no point in taking out gamepad support.
 

SmokyDave

Member
haha, my god. So sad to see these kind of things. Options. Yes, you want options, but when we get pad support you all complain that it is dumbed down and there are not even proper pc controls. You are all hypocrites. Go play on consoles if you want pad. For pc, stick with your MAIN controls. Oh, and before i forget. The options are there. Xpadder, joy2key, etc. So options are there, just because the developer doesnt put them, doesnt mean you should all whine about it, specially for being such a small niche like this. Complain about the real stuff. Graphics, FOV, console mp mode, no enogh hotkeys, etc.

Stop addressing the forum as though it was a monolithic entity and stop making passionate posts in topics you haven't bothered to read first. These two tips will help your discourse immensely.

First though, I want you to go and put a few laps in on rFactor. Using a keyboard.
 

FoolsRun

Member
ugh, dissapointing. I think this was the difference between a day 1 $60 and day 365 on steam for $5 for me

That could be difficult, considering this is only being released on Origin.

You should be able to get a good deal on a retail copy through Amazon, though probably not for $5.
 

Volcynika

Member
Stop addressing the forum as though it was a monolithic entity and stop making passionate posts in topics you haven't bothered to read first. These two tips will help your discourse immensely.

First though, I want you to go and put a few laps in on rFactor. Using a keyboard.

I should try out some fighting games with keyboard. Sounds easy, right?
 

SoulClap

Member
haha, my god. So sad to see these kind of things. Options. Yes, you want options, but when we get pad support you all complain that it is dumbed down and there are not even proper pc controls. You are all hypocrites. Go play on consoles if you want pad. For pc, stick with your MAIN controls. Oh, and before i forget. The options are there. Xpadder, joy2key, etc. So options are there, just because the developer doesnt put them, doesnt mean you should all whine about it, specially for being such a small niche like this. Complain about the real stuff. Graphics, FOV, console mp mode, no enogh hotkeys, etc.

Not whining it just seems odd for a multi-platform game this high profile to not include gamepad support. I'm not alone in giving up a superior control method to game in comfort on a couch and nice big HDTV rather than hunched over a desk in front of some shitty LCD monitor. Never heard of joy2key though so thanks for the heads up. Hopefully that works well.
 

SmokyDave

Member
I should try out some fighting games with keyboard. Sounds easy, right?

I'm jumping straight into SF4 as soon as I've finished my KB & M playthroughs of Beat Hazard Ultra, Jamestown, Renegade Ops, LEGO Batman, Sonic Generations & Super Meat Boy.

That list would be a LOT longer if I didn't have work to do ;)
 

mxgt

Banned
haha, my god. So sad to see these kind of things. Options. Yes, you want options, but when we get pad support you all complain that it is dumbed down and there are not even proper pc controls. You are all hypocrites. Go play on consoles if you want pad. For pc, stick with your MAIN controls. Oh, and before i forget. The options are there. Xpadder, joy2key, etc. So options are there, just because the developer doesnt put them, doesnt mean you should all whine about it, specially for being such a small niche like this. Complain about the real stuff. Graphics, FOV, console mp mode, no enogh hotkeys, etc.

You're going to do well here
 

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
I posted in the demo thread briefly after it was noted and I was disgusted. The game does play well with kb/m but that's not the point.
 

Haunted

Member
is this thread serious? why do you need pad support when it plays so much better on keyboard and mouse and the interface is perfect for pc? my god, people need to stop whining about the wrong things when it comes to pc gaming. WHat you should be complaining about is the FOV, the animations, the no holstering animation because consoles ram coudlnt handle it so they took out the animation in order to give us roll animation, yet they dont bother to use the pcs memory to add holstering. No high res textures again on the armor. If youre going to complain about something, do it about something that is worthwhile. If you play with a pad, go play on console. This game runs amazing on keyboard and mouse. I seriously question how many of you complainign about this are actually buying the game and how many of you are actually pc gamers. Pad support on ME, my god. Then you complain it suffers from consolitis, yet you are asking for it.
haha, my god. So sad to see these kind of things. Options. Yes, you want options, but when we get pad support you all complain that it is dumbed down and there are not even proper pc controls. You are all hypocrites. Go play on consoles if you want pad. For pc, stick with your MAIN controls. Oh, and before i forget. The options are there. Xpadder, joy2key, etc. So options are there, just because the developer doesnt put them, doesnt mean you should all whine about it, specially for being such a small niche like this. Complain about the real stuff. Graphics, FOV, console mp mode, no enogh hotkeys, etc.
Where are these juniors coming from? What is going on here?
 

closnyc

Banned
I should try out some fighting games with keyboard. Sounds easy, right?

right? i mean considering i play against a 10k abel on super street fighter arcade edition and he plays with a keyboard...and hes top 10. I see. So hard to master right? maybe for noobs with a pad.

Edit: Oh, and to all of you "members" get off your high horse. This is a forum and you act like you are jesus christ compared to newcomers. I LOL so hard every time you guys refer to junior members as the lowest common denominators. LOL, talk about being nerds, my god.
 

Volcynika

Member
right? i mean considering i play against a 10k abel on super street fighter arcade edition and he plays with a keyboard...and hes top 10. I see. So hard to master right? maybe for noobs with a pad.

Edit: Oh, and to all of you "members" get off your high horse. This is a forum and you act like you are jesus christ compared to newcomers. I LOL so hard every time you guys refer to junior members as the lowest common denominators. LOL, talk about being nerds, my god.

Good for him. I don't find a keyboard fun in the least to use for something like that genre.

People can do awesome at Super Meat Boy with a keyboard. Doesn't mean tons of people have interest to play with that instead of a pad.
 

SmokyDave

Member
right? i mean considering i play against a 10k abel on super street fighter arcade edition and he plays with a keyboard...and hes top 10. I see. So hard to master right? maybe for noobs with a pad.

Edit: Oh, and to all of you "members" get off your high horse. This is a forum and you act like you are jesus christ compared to newcomers. I LOL so hard every time you guys refer to junior members as the lowest common denominators. LOL, talk about being nerds, my god.

Did you just put 'noobs' and 'nerds' in the same post?

Shouldn't you be busy playing an FPS on Xbox Live?
 

closnyc

Banned
Did you just put 'noobs' and 'nerds' in the same post?

Shouldn't you be busy playing an FPS on Xbox Live?

hahaha, fps please. You mean the dumbed down COD clones that is every fps out there? go play tribes ascend and then come talk to me about FPS.
 

catabarez

Member
right? i mean considering i play against a 10k abel on super street fighter arcade edition and he plays with a keyboard...and hes top 10. I see. So hard to master right? maybe for noobs with a pad.

Edit: Oh, and to all of you "members" get off your high horse. This is a forum and you act like you are jesus christ compared to newcomers. I LOL so hard every time you guys refer to junior members as the lowest common denominators. LOL, talk about being nerds, my god.
Son, you're going places.
 

dino1980

Member
It is just staggering how Bioware are treating this day the very people who have sticked with this company for over 15 years.
 

mxgt

Banned
Edit: Oh, and to all of you "members" get off your high horse. This is a forum and you act like you are jesus christ compared to newcomers. I LOL so hard every time you guys refer to junior members as the lowest common denominators. LOL, talk about being nerds, my god.

Did you even lurk this forum before joining?
 
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