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[Haunted]

Nowadays, these things are discussed pretty early in development. This is what we're going to do - then it's divided into what's going in the main package, what goes to the retailers, what goes into the cross-promotion, and what's sold as DLC [and again subdivided into day 1/launch window/ +1 +3 +5 months after). It's important to develop these concepts early to make sure the implications for the "main" package are properly planned beforehand.

"Cutting out" DLC midway through development might have happened a couple years ago when the concept was fresh, but by now it's become standard procedure to plan these things from the start.

 

[StuBurns]

I don't see what difference it makes when the decision was made.

If they said "we need $45M for ME3" and EA said "no, you get $43M, anything else you need to make DLC", that's it.

If the standard package feels lackluster, maybe it'd be fair to expect it for free, but otherwise, I don't see the issue.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

cool i'm going to make a game where i plan the big finale ending first and then sell it separately for $15 at launch

sorry "we ran out of money" for this particular fraction of content for our huge AAA franchise. what, you think that's lame? entitled whiner nerd.

 

[StuBurns]

cool i'm going to make a game where i plan the big finale ending first and then sell it separately for $15 at launch

sorry "we ran out of money" for this particular fraction of content for our huge AAA franchise. what, you think that's lame? entitled whiner nerd.

That would never happen. Mass Effect as a brand is too valuable to make a slap dash rip off ending that'd curse the name.

Mass Effect 3 will be a full product without any DLC, it can't afford not to be.

 

[randomlyrossy]

Not really the place for this discussion folks.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

Not really the place for this discussion folks.

I agree, this thread should probably just stay silent while there's no Giant Bomb news to discuss.

 

[funkystudent]

I wish I had industry friends who would give me free stuff

 

[EmCeeGramr]

I'm just being reductionist and hyperbolic to make a point; that at some point, there are lines to be drawn about how far you can go with dividing up a game into individual content slices before this becomes slimy and money-grubbing to the point where no amount of "well they're a businessssss and it's their right to-" can make it seem acceptable from a consumer standpoint.

edit: they're right the me3 dlc thread is thisaway: www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=464045

 

[Chuck]

If the standard package feels lackluster, maybe it'd be fair to expect it for free, but otherwise, I don't see the issue.

This is kind of where I am with this. $60 is still a lot of money and if the game I spend it on requires me to pay $10 more to get the complete experience, then I don't feel happy about spending that $60 and feel more inclined to wait for a price drop or just not buy it at all.

EA just knows that they can get away with it because this is goddamn Mass Effect. People will buy it regardless. If they tired something similar with Syndicate it would be a total failure which is why Syndicate doesn't have an online pass.

 

[StuBurns]

I'm just being reductionist and hyperbolic to make a point; that at some point, there are lines to be drawn about how far you can go before this becomes slimy and money-grubbing to the point where no amount of "well they're a businessssss-" can make it seem justifiable from a consumer standpoint.

I fully agree. I just think that point is when everyone says the game doesn't feel complete at $60, and I'm saying I give them the benefit of the doubt until they show they're not worthy of it.

EDIT: Okay, lets leave this for another time.

 

[Chuck]

So that shirt Jeff got in the mailbag was pretty damn awesome.

 

[Deleted member 30609]

My issue is that they've essentially created a "Dedicated Fan Tax". Their game now costs $70 if you're committed to the series. I mean, milking money from the committed is solid business, but there are better ways of doing it. This feels so slimy.

 

[Zombie James]

gary's right people asking for free mass effect stuff is lame as he-

HA.

 

[vitaminwateryum]

Youch what? That's not even slightly hypocritical.



Learning more and more that people don't know what the word "force" means. I blame Lucas.

Yesterday Gary asked for a ME3 CE. Today he says that people wanting things for free is ridiculous. Unless I'm misunderstanding something, that's pretty much a textbook example of hypocrisy. Also, I never said it was hypocritical.

 

[sixghost]

Yesterday Gary asked for a ME3 CE. The next day he says that people wanting things for free is ridiculous. Unless I'm misunderstanding something, that's pretty much a textbook example of hypocrisy. Also, I never said it was hypocritical.

Who is just giving out free copies of the ME3 CE? Why do you immediately assume he got it for free, rather someone letting him buy an extra of theirs off them?

 

[Felix Lighter]

My issue is that they've essentially created a "Dedicated Fan Tax". Their game now costs $70 if you're committed to the series. I mean, milking money from the committed is solid business, but there are better ways of doing it. This feels so slimy.

Yeah, that was what I was getting at. I have no problem paying for Mass Effect content. I've bought Mass Effect twice and Mass Effect 2 and all of its DLC but I feel like this is crossing a line. I feel like I'm being taken advantage of, which, from a purely profit driven business point of view, might be a good idea. To me it seems short sighted when you are slowly burning out your most dedicated fans but EA knows better than me.

 

[Massa]

Yesterday Gary asked for a ME3 CE. Today he says that people wanting things for free is ridiculous. Unless I'm misunderstanding something, that's pretty much a textbook example of hypocrisy. Also, I never said it was hypocritical.

It's hilarious at the very least.

 

[Typographenia]

This thread runs on eucalyptus.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

it's just funny to put those two sets of words together guys, for all i know gary actually paid a million dollars to casey hudson's dog to get a copy

 

[vitaminwateryum]

Who is just giving out free copies of the ME3 CE? Why do you immediately assume he got it for free, rather someone letting him buy an extra of theirs off them?

I obviously can't know that for sure, but when people in the gaming industry are "doing you solids", the first thing that comes to mind isn't that they sold him a copy.

Either way, I don't think that anyone really cares about whether or not he got a copy for free.

 

[Haunted]

Gary is obviously going to pay for his CE copy of ME3 you guys, it was just a funny image to juxtapose.


Let's go back to finding out GB staff catchphrases. After Patrick's "I don't like that at all" I've heard Jeff saying "roll credits" a whole lot lately.

Discuss.

 

[Jintor]

It doesn't say anywhere that he got it for free so I might give him the benefit of the doubt here.

 

[Duffyside]

It doesn't say anywhere that he got it for free so I might give him the benefit of the doubt here.

Even if he did, he's not acting entitled about it. In fact, isn't excitement over his good fortune the exact opposite of that?

 

[Arlecchino]

Jeff says "Great" with a semi-sarcastic inflection a lot. I definitely remember noticing reoccurring themes in their parlance when it happens, but I can't recall anything else at the moment.

Brad used to say "Take it" quite a bit, but it hasn't happened in a long while.

 

[vitaminwateryum]

Even if he did, he's not acting entitled about it. In fact, isn't excitement over his good fortune the exact opposite of that?

The tweet about people acting entitled came after he came across a copy.

 

[Felix Lighter]

Who was involved in the "load our last save" video they recorded earlier? Standard Vinny and Drew?

 

[vitaminwateryum]

Who was involved in the "load our last save" video they recorded earlier? Standard Vinny and Drew?

Yep.

 

[Chuck]

Who was involved in the "load our last save" video they recorded earlier? Standard Vinny and Drew?

It was Drew and Vinny.

 

[shadyspace]

If I hear Brad say, "m'lady?" one more time I'm going to stop listening to the bombcast altogether.

 

[Arlecchino]

Don't forget the trusty, helpful chat.

 

[firehawk12]

After watching more of floe's boshy stream, I am more than convinced that Brad has to play this game for whenever they make a "Breaking Brad" video.

Come on rudds, don't run away from the best game ever!

 

[Aaron]

Nah. He admitted to never finishing Ninja Gaiden. That must be resolved. To make it more interesting, he can choose the original NES game or the Xbox one.

 

[vitaminwateryum]

After watching more of floe's boshy stream, I am more than convinced that Brad has to play this game for whenever they make a "Breaking Brad" video.

Come on rudds, don't run away from the best game ever!

Boshy would leave Brad in a corner crying. I know he liked Meatboy and all, but man. Boshy is on a different level.

 

[shadyspace]

Christ, Ryan's twitter tonight. Whenever he starts playing armchair sociologist I get just the *slightest* sensation of vomit in the back of my throat.

 

[Rufus]

Christ, Ryan's twitter tonight. Whenever he starts playing armchair sociologist I get just the *slightest* sensation of vomit in the back of my throat.

Give us some choice quotes at least.

 

[Nihilistic Monk]

gary's right people asking for free mass effect stuff is lame as he-

Reminds me of when he was so angry at Fox/Newscorp for the phone hacking scandal he called for a full scale boycott & listed the wikipedia page for Fox owned properties.

Spoiler

Then a few weeks later he starts a new podcast. For IGN. A fox owned property.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

gary's right people asking for free mass effect stuff is lame as he-

Hahahahaaa. Brilliant sir.

 

[Spookie]

Thanks for the reminder to remove him from my twitter feed. He doesn't half say somethings that boil my piss.

 

[Myomoto]

My Gary Whitta runs on eucalyptus.

 

[Mahonay]

Gave in and bought Syndicate on Amazon after watching both TNT and the Quick Look. That game just seems to have some ridiculously fun co-op. Super polished on top of all that. Can't wait to give it a spin.

 

[Mahonay]

Crusader Kings 2: http://www.giantbomb.com/quick-look-crusader-kings-ii/17-5721/

I actually fell asleep during this one.


Shit, double post. I need to stop doing that.

 

[DaBuddaDa]

Are the Whiskey sites loading slow as molasses today for anyone else?

 

[Mahonay]

Are the Whiskey sites loading slow as molasses today for anyone else?

It was just a bit ago but it seems to have improved now.

EDIT:
Never mind, still really slow.

 

[Shatner's Bassoon]

It's because Dave has gone away. This is what happens.

 

[DaBuddaDa]

OK, I'm glad it's not entirely me then. All Whiskey sites are pretty much unnavigable at the moment and pinging at around 800ms or timing out. I'm not having trouble with any other website (GAF is fine).

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

GB is fine for me. Downloading at full speed from them, too.

 

[Dragon]

OK, I'm glad it's not entirely me then. All Whiskey sites are pretty much unnavigable at the moment and pinging at around 800ms or timing out. I'm not having trouble with any other website (GAF is fine).

The Whiskey sites seem to load incredibly slow in general. It's funny because reading up on their architecture it seems like they know what they're doing.

 

[DaBuddaDa]

The traceroutes start to timeout once they hit Amazon's servers. I hope they can get that fixed soon.

 

[BlazeHedgehog]

it's just funny to put those two sets of words together guys, for all i know gary actually paid a million dollars to casey hudson's dog to get a copy

Just like all those times Ryan says on Twitter, "Boy I sure wish I had [DLC code for this game]!", and magically gets it. That's just his funny way of saying that he's buying it.

 

[randomlyrossy]

Yeah GB isn't loading at all for me right now.