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[Vermillion]

In my eyes, no. Not really.

What is keeping Orayn, marrec, Stet, and Foxy Fox from saying the same thing that Lothar and Paradoxial_Utopia are saying?

Just knowledge of social standards and legal stuff.

There are people on here who've had sex at younger ages with someone older.

They don't feel bad about it at all. Some remain proud of it towards the future.

Actually, based on the legal definitions they're giving, what if a 17 year old had sex with a 35 year old? We could also call that wrong. But let's say that they had sex late at night (10:00pm), and so an hour after they were done, the 17 year old was now 18. What is the difference, mentally between a 17 year old and an 18 year old wherein the 18yo could have sex with someone that much older yet the 17yo could not and the person would be arrested...?

 

[Maleficence]

Just knowledge of social standards and legal stuff.

There are people on here who've had sex at younger ages with someone older.

They don't feel bad about it at all. Some remain proud of it towards the future.

Actually, based on the legal definitions they're giving, what if a 17 year old had sex with a 35 year old? We could also call that wrong. But let's say that they had sex late at night (10:00pm), and so an hour after they were done, the 17 year old was now 18. What is the difference, mentally between a 17 year old and an 18 year old wherein the 18yo could have sex with someone that much older yet the 17yo could not and the person would be arrested...?

Any sort of age limited law has these issues, not just age of consent so it's a bit silly to bring up, cause the only solution to that particular problem would be to eliminate age limited laws completely. That is ridiculous, age laws are in place for good reason and for the vast majority of cases serve to protect kids and do a good job.

For particular cases like yours I doubt that kind of thing would even go to court, but if it did it would probably be dismissed unless there were other circumstances. Basically each case would be treated individually (as they are anyway)

 

[Dicer]

When I was in middle school, we had this really attractive assistant principal that I probably would have said yes to if he had asked.

But I'm older now and know that me wanting to have sex with my attractive principal would not and should not be any sort of justification for him getting a lesser sentence just because I wanted it and "wasn't a victim."


my mom actually met him (long after he left the school) while she was at a friend's party, and she said he hit on her the whole time. this changed everything from a "yes please" to a "good lord no"

Wait wait hold the phone, you would have banged this guy....but because he tries to score with you mom and he either had the sense or lack of desire to hit your jailbaity self all of a sudden he is un-hittable?

Makes total sense to me.

 

[Satch]

Wait wait hold the phone, you would have banged this guy....but because he tries to score with you mom and he either had the sense or lack of desire to hit your jailbaity self all of a sudden he is un-hittable?

Makes total sense to me.

it's not just about that

she said he was an asshole

image ruined

 

[Orayn]

In my eyes, no. Not really.

What is keeping Orayn, marrec, Stet, and Foxy Fox from saying the same thing that Lothar and Paradoxial_Utopia are saying?

I credit my astounding ability to make moral judgements with my brain instead of my junk.

 

[BakedPigeon]

Teacher is in position of trust. She has access to the children in a way that other adults may not. She allegedly abused that position for sexual gratification. Whether the boy wanted it or not doesn't even factor into this.

If that is indeed the case, then lock her up. She's not fit to be around children.

But that still does not make the fact that the kid wanted to fuck go away. Although I agree.

 

[Maleficence]

But that still does not make the fact that the kid wanted to fuck go away. Although I agree.

It doesn't matter, he was a child.

I would not say the majority of 15 year olds are emotionally or sexually mature despite perhaps being physically mature. Many 18 year olds aren't but the line needs to be drawn somewhere.

 

[Dicer]

it's not just about that

she said he was an asshole

image ruined

Satchwar redeemed, carry on.

 

[Stet]

In my eyes, no. Not really.

What is keeping Orayn, marrec, Stet, and Foxy Fox from saying the same thing that Lothar and Paradoxial_Utopia are saying?

My keen sense of punctuation.

 

[Stet]

Oh, I'm also not an abhorrent sex-offender apologist.

 

[Kinyou]

Teacher is in position of trust. She has access to the children in a way that other adults may not. She allegedly abused that position for sexual gratification. Whether the boy wanted it or not doesn't even factor into this.

If that is indeed the case, then lock her up. She's not fit to be around children.

But how can we know that she abused her status? Maybe the boy hit on her and not the other way around. I'm not saying that it's always ok, I just think that every case in which a teenager and an adult get involved should be judged individually. (btw. I'm talking about moral judgment here; the legal situation is pretty clear)

Maybe the boy will be traumatized by this. Maybe it will never affect him. Without really knowing the case and the individuals one can hardly know what's true.

 

[cutmeamango]

15? She'd be free to fly here!

Spoiler

If she was not his teacher and his parents permitted, that is!

 

[Vermillion]

I credit my astounding ability to make moral judgements with my brain instead of my junk.

And now, if you were like (sadly) many other guys, and you made your decision with your penis...

Would you have felt bad? Would it have negatively affected you in the future? Etc.

So it's a moral issue based on current societal values, rather than... well, whatever the hell "standard" morality is. It isn't wrong per-se.

Especially if we were to live life to maximize our own pleasures and ignoring whatever our brain says.

 

[besiktas1]

Nice.

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

I credit my astounding ability to make moral judgements with my brain instead of my junk.

I'm pretty sure that there are very few, if any, people in this thread who are basing their stance on the fact that it gives them a stiffy. It's a matter of people thinking "if I was in the student's shoes, I would have enjoyed it and not been harmed by it mentally/emotionally/physically."

You're welcome to disagree with that stance, but it'd help if you'd remove your dick from your mouth while doing so.

 

[Omegasquash]

Hm. Still going eh? It's OK, there's no end of 18 year olds that wish they were "cool enough" to "fuck" their teacher, and will applaud whatever kid indeed gets screwed by an adult.

There are lines, and they were created not to be crossed. If you want to change those laws or regulations, lobby for that change. See how far it gets you.

 

[Schweinehund]

What's outrageous is that a middle school is able to afford imacs and my school doesn't go past IE6.

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

Hm. Still going eh? It's OK, there's no end of 18 year olds that wish they were "cool enough" to "fuck" their teacher, and will applaud whatever kid indeed gets screwed by an adult.

There are lines, and they were created not to be crossed. If you want to change those laws or regulations, lobby for that change. See how far it gets you.

That's pretty cool that they have a computer at your nursing home. Good on you for learning how to use the internet at your age.

 

[Kinyou]

There are lines, and they were created not to be crossed. If you want to change those laws or regulations, lobby for that change. See how far it gets you.

The age of consent varies heavily between different countries. What makes you think that this line is the right one?

 

[Vermillion]

What's outrageous is that a middle school is able to afford imacs and my school doesn't go past IE6.

Only the journalism class had macs in my HS.

 

[Broder Salsa]

The age of consent varies heavily between different countries. What makes you think that this line is the right one?

Well it's 15 here but this would still be illegal and rightly so for obvious reasons.

 

[Orayn]

I'm pretty sure that there are very few, if any, people in this thread who are basing their stance on the fact that it gives them a stiffy. It's a matter of people thinking "if I was in the student's shoes, I would have enjoyed it and not been harmed by it mentally/emotionally/physically."

The bolded is something I find incredibly annoying because it seemingly dismisses that sex with an older authority figure at a young age could have negative effects on a kid. I'll accept that many of the "NICE!" crowd still think it's wrong, but it kind of pisses me off when that's only being implied instead of stated outright.

 

[Kinyou]

Well it's 15 here but this would still be illegal and rightly so for obvious reasons.

If he was directing his "line" statement at the teacher-student relation and not the general age of consent I'd take my comment back.

 

[Snakeyes]

Missed opportunity for a threesome.

Best post in this thread.

Can't wait to see what kind of replies we'll get in a thread where the same thing happens with a "willing" girl.

 

[rvy]

What's outrageous is that a middle school is able to afford imacs and my school doesn't go past IE6.

Creepy smile. Would have let her had her way with me at 15. No doubt. Makes me wonder how good her blowjobs are. Must ask kid.

 

[Lothar]

Um, 15 year old girls are just as curious and have sexual have desires just like 15 year old boys, and do not necessarily just want to have sex "for social acceptance". They are not born as pure, innocent sheep that get tainted once they reach a certain age.

A girl can "want it" just as much as a boy, but that "want" is judged differently, that's what I mean with double standard. If a teacher exploits these desires they're abusing a minor, be it male or female, it's the same thing.

It's not the same kind of abuse precisely because society judges the want differently. Women are far more likely to regret and be traumatized by being a 15 year old having sex with a 28 year old than a guy is. They are viewed as more pure and innocent and likely to be looked down upon if they aren't. Those are just the facts whether you like them or not. It's also considerably more difficult for a guy to be forced/over-powered into sex. It's not the same thing. Just like a wife hitting a husband isn't the same thing as a husband hitting a wife.

Almost no straight single 15 year old guy would turn down sex from an attractive 28 year old woman or would regret doing so. If he got it, that 15 year old would seem like a hero to other 15 year old guys in every high school. Chances are it would be something he brags about later in life. The girl would be looked down upon, pitied, be seen as a abuse victim, or called a slut. The guy would get a positive reputation from it, the girl a negative. That's horrible that's the way it is but the 15 year old guy is still in no way a victim. You're kidding yourself if you believe it's the same thing.

 

[windowlurker]

I didn't jack off until I was 16.

FUCKING LUCKY CUNT.

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

The bolded is something I find incredibly annoying because it seemingly dismisses that something like this could have negative effects on the kid. I'll accept that many of the "NICE!" crowd still think it's wrong, but it kind of pisses me off when that's only being implied instead of stated outright.

I don't think the possibility of negative effects is being dismissed. Like, I can imagine a hundred different ways that it could go horribly wrong, but the majority are either avoidable or highly unlikely.

To put it another way: it's more a matter of optimism/naivete than twisted morality, I think.

 

[Odrion]

I never understand these stories.
That woman is attractive. Im not saying she's ridiculously hot but she is at least average and im sure there is not a shortage of willing men her own age.

What compels her to risk her job to sleep with a teenage boy?
Is she lonely, teaching hours are too long, doesn't have time to find a 'man' outside work?
Does she simply like younger guys?
Is it really love?
Or is this 15 year old ridiculously good looking? Like maybe if she was fucking men shed be fucking guys that were equally average looking, but once she starts banging teenagers she can score a much better looking individual?....

Wonder how many of us would be banging 'hot' 15 or 16 year olds if we were teachers and our students were willing...
Obviously I wouldn't because its WRONG lol, oh and I wouldn't want to lose my job.

I don't know, why did women want to fuck Justin Bieber when he was 16?

edit: and looked like a 10 year old

double edit: because women can be creepy pedophiles too

 

[Orayn]

It's not the same kind of abuse precisely because society judges the want differently.

I'm gonna blow your fuckin' mind here. Are you ready? Are you adequately prepared? Society's standards are wrong.

Women are far more likely to regret and be traumatized by being a 15 year old having sex with a 28 year old than a guy is. They are viewed as more pure and innocent and likely to be looked down upon if they aren't. Those are just the facts whether you like them or not. It's also considerably more difficult for a guy to be forced/over-powered into sex. It's not the same thing. Just like a wife hitting a husband isn't the same thing as a husband hitting a wife.

I reiterate: SOCIETY'S STANDARDS ARE WRONG!

Almost no straight single 15 year old guy would turn down sex from an attractive 28 year old woman or would regret doing so. If he got it, that 15 year old would seem like a hero to other 15 year old guys in every high school. Chances are it would be something he brags about later in life. The girl would be looked down upon, pitied, be seen as a abuse victim, or called a slut. The guy would get a positive reputation from it, the girl a negative. That's horrible that's the way it is but the 15 year old guy is still in no way a victim. You're kidding yourself if you believe it's the same thing.

Might this have something to do with society's standards? I seem to recall having said something about those...

 

[Maleficence]

It's not the same kind of abuse precisely because society judges the want differently. Women are far more likely to regret and be traumatized by being a 15 year old having sex with a 28 year old than a guy is. They are viewed as more pure and innocent and likely to be looked down upon if they aren't. Those are just the facts whether you like them or not. It's also considerably more difficult for a guy to be forced/over-powered into sex. It's not the same thing. Just like a wife hitting a husband isn't the same thing as a husband hitting a wife.

Almost no straight single 15 year old guy would turn down sex from an attractive 28 year old woman or would regret doing so. If he got it, that 15 year old would seem like a hero to other 15 year old guys in every high school. Chances are it would be something he brags about later in life. The girl would be looked down upon, pitied, be seen as a abuse victim, or called a slut. The guy would get a positive reputation from it, the girl a negative. That's horrible that's the way it is but the 15 year old guy is still in no way a victim. You're kidding yourself if you believe it's the same thing.

Can you use any sort of actual evidence to prove what you're saying? Seen as you are calling them facts.

Also, societies perception of the difference is exactly what people are arguing needs to change to be more balanced and fair, all you're really doing there is saying that society perceives there to be a difference, not that that perception has any concrete basis.

 

[OddSpoon]

i'm saying that the reasoning of "yeah but the boy wanted sex because DUH" is not really that good of a blanket justification for cases of this type

Your posts are so terrible, Satchwar.

 

[Satch]

Your posts are so terrible, Satchwar.

 

[Redux]

Can you use any sort of actual evidence to prove what you're saying? Seen as you are calling them facts..

If it helps, just showed my 13 year old brother this thread/teacher. He said he'd, and I quote:

Id cherry pick her vagina and disable every limb in that teachers lower body

 

[Maleficence]

If it helps, just showed my 13 year old brother this thread/teacher. He said he'd, and I quote:

Clearly your 13 year old brother should be having sex with older women in a position of authority, he sounds so mature!

 

[Odrion]

Also we have this same thread every couple of weeks, can we just make a "Official Creepy Thread of Teachers Banging Students?"

 

[rvy]

If it helps, just showed my 13 year old brother this thread/teacher. He said he'd, and I quote:

Good kid. Learns fast.

 

[windowlurker]

Your posts are so terrible, Satchwar.

She has to be a teenager, so of course she'd fuck a guy who's 28. (According to the logic in here.)

Satchywar I like you.

 

[Satch]

She has to be a teenager, so of course she'd fuck a guy who's 28. (According to the logic in here.)

Satchywar I like you.

<3

 

[Redux]

Clearly your 13 year old brother should be having sex with older women in a position of authority, he sounds so mature!

He'll be a freshman in HS next school year. I'm certainly not putting a leash on my kid brother. And if he bangs that hot Algebra 2 teacher, id give him a high five and create a thread on GAF.

 

[BamYouHaveAids]

I don't think the possibility of negative effects is being dismissed. Like, I can imagine a hundred different ways that it could go horribly wrong, but the majority are either avoidable or highly unlikely.

To put it another way: it's more a matter of optimism/naivete than twisted morality, I think.

Based off what evidence?

 

[Maleficence]

He'll be a freshman in HS next school year. I'm certainly not putting a leash on my kid brother. And if he bangs that hot Algebra 2 teacher, id give him a high five and create a thread on GAF.

Yeah, fuck rules and controls man! Who needs rules and restrictions? FREEDOM!

Spoiler

I'm kinda glad he's your brother and not your son.

 

[Foxy Fox 39]

If it helps, just showed my 13 year old brother this thread/teacher. He said he'd, and I quote:

Sounds like he plays on xbox live.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

She has brought shame upon her family.

 

[ryūkotsusei]

Sounds like he plays on xbox live.

Sounds like a 13 year old kid to me.

 

[KO Traveling Hobo]

Based off what evidence?

Which part are you referring to?

 

[Satch]

Sounds like a 13 year old kid to me.

don't be redundant

 

[Kinyou]

Sounds like a 13 year old kid to me.

"what's happening to our youth? I was never like this when i was young... blah blah blah"

 

[Stet]

"what's happening to our youth? I was never like this when i was young... blah blah blah"

Err, no. More like "I was exactly like this when I was young, and that's why I wasn't fit to make proper adult decisions."

 

[Lothar]

I'm gonna blow your fuckin' mind here. Are you ready? Are you adequately prepared? Society's standards are wrong.



I reiterate: SOCIETY'S STANDARDS ARE WRONG!



Might this have something to do with society's standards? I seem to recall having said something about those...

So you're an idiot who doesn't read posts is what you're saying?

From the post you responded to:
"That's horrible that's the way it is but the 15 year old guy is still in no way a victim."

Me: Society's standards are wrong but it doesn't change the fact that the 15 year old guy is not a victim.
You: Society's standards are wrong.
Me: You're not really worth my time, are you?