This is what I'm asking. Maybe they had terrible history teachers.
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Assassin's Creed III: American Revolution setting confirmed [Game Informer/Box Art]
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I'd recommend Brotherhood, but you can just look up Revelations on the Wiki page or just YT videos of it.
Hey wow, you almost made it the whole way through that without sounding like a total asshole! Maybe next time.
Yes, I have a serious problem with taking "artistic license" to wrongfully disparage people. When I saw the main character may be Native American, I was like "well, obviously there is a lot of ugliness there to be explored," so it's not like I want the American colonists painted as Saints.
But yeah, if they were to make a game where Gandhi was just using the Apple to control the people of India and make them sacrifice themselves for his will, I'd be pissed off at that too. If they paint Tesla as a bumbling idiot who then found the Apple in a garbage bin and then kapow, Flowers for Algernon, yep, I don't like that either.
The Antitype
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I doubt it will be as black and white as fighting for or against the American Revolution. I think there will be Templars involved with the formation of America that will need to be taken out, but I doubt this is going to be like The Patriot, where the formation of the US is the cure for all the world's ills.
I don't really see how I was an asshole in my phrasing, but fine.
And we'll have to agree to disagree.
It's call historical FICTION for a reason. I actually think that Ghandi idea was pretty cool. You should send that shit in and make an ipad game out of it or something.
But then I have to spend $60 on a game when I can do it right now for free!
There were all kinds of things wrong with Gandhi, believe me. And, like I said, are you familiar with some of the less than reputable things Washington did?
XANDER CAGE
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You, on the other hand, barely made it through one sentence with that post.
pretty sure they did imply that in AC2 hee hee hee
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh, that character design doesn't work. They should've gone for something in the vein of Brotherhood of the Wolf.
Exactly what I was thinking for a hypothetical French assassin. Since he's Native American though I can understand where they went.
A visible monarchy creates dissent and unhappiness from the people over a long period of time. On the other hand, the illusion of democracy keeps people satisfied with the presumption of freedom. This illusion is then stirred in the direction the power brokers want it to go, by influencing the people through consumerism, religion, and charismatic leadership. The trick is to make people think they are voting for their own benefit, while they are not.
Disclaimer: I am talking about the silly AC storyline, I am NOT a conspiracy nut!
Of All Trades
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Can you give North American examples in the last 20 years aside from spiritualism issues?
benjipwns
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There were a number of tribes who sided with and fought alongside the colonists, not as many who went the other way, but it's not "way out there" especially if he's "half-colonist" like that one rumor.
Fair. I'm not jumping to a boycott... yet... Just expressing my concerns from what other people are saying.
What really doesn't make sense though is the religious angle; the Templars had always been using religion as a tool to manipulate, and so much of the US founding was so the opposite of that. Jefferson, Franklin, Paine... I dunno if what people are saying is the story will be the actual story. We'll see.
But I've got my protest-signs awaitin'...
They were assholes. In particular, Edison.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gOR91oentQ
What an asshole.
XANDER CAGE
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"Aside from spiritualism issues"? That's, like, one of the biggest issues.
No. Maybe Brotherhood, but doubtful. Definitely not revelations.
A visible monarchy creates dissent and unhappiness from the people over a long period of time. On the other hand, the illusion of democracy keeps people satisfied with the presumption of freedom. This illusion is then stirred in the direction the power brokers want it to go, by influencing the people through consumerism, religion, and charismatic leadership. The trick is to make people think they are voting for their own benefit, while they are not.
Disclaimer: I am talking about the silly AC storyline, I am NOT a conspiracy nut!
Yeah, I see where you're going. And I hate it.
"Oh no, you thought that man was feeding a starving child but really he knew it had a radioactive peanut allergy and now it is an invincible monster for him to control muahahaha!"
Ten bucks says this game features the English being asshole, the Americans being stupid, and the French being so totally awesome. Guys, did you know how great France was?
The Antitype
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Not at all.
The monarchies you describe were also influenced and infested by Templar's, they probably aren't going to be positioned as better or worse. Only the OLDER tool of control, versus the NEW order - capitalism and democracy - which establishes a culture and working order that allows them to spread influence in new, sneakier ways.
Gordon0Freeman
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What a co-ink-ah-dinky. Due to the fact I'm learning about this specific time period in my History class. Fucking stoked.
Are there any awesome fan sites where I can read the back story to all the games? Since I am still an Ass virgin.
Are there any awesome fan sites where I can read the back story to all the games? Since I am still an Ass virgin.
The religiosity of the Founding Fathers varied greatly. Washington was most definitely an Episcopalian; whereas, Paine, Jefferson, and Franklin were most definitely deists and to a degree, highly anti-clerical. I can't wait to see what angle they take there.
XANDER CAGE
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That was adopted in the 1950s, duder.
Actually, I kind of get where you're coming from here. I'm kind of sick of stupid uses of artistic license like this.
I don't really think this series has presented the templars as anything but oppressive antagonists. They may be well-intentioned, but the road to hell has been paved by those...
keltickennedy
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I bet the Freemasons will be Templars.
Side note.... American revolution....what the fuck are you going to climb?
I actually think Brotherhood is better than AC II, but the "Ezio trilogy" games are all pretty similar overall as far as their basic gameplay and structure. So. to answer your question, probably not.
Revelations was actually my least favourite of the three =[ really hoping the series can step it up again with III.
The funniest thing about AC is how every single person and organization in history is probably a "bad guy" in the game's lore. It's really hard to get offended when they're going all out for the over-the-top THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF HUMANITY IS A CONSPIRACY angle. At least, I find it really hard for any of it to be offensive. It's like a crazy TV series with plot twists every week. Just popcorn entertainment.
Of All Trades
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The only reason I separated that out is that I can think of a couple movies that touch on it briefly and expected them to be trotted out as poorly thought out trump cards. I really can't think of anything from the last decade; if there's any criticism it's that NA's have been back-burner'ed in visual media (dunno about written) because the topic is such a minefield.
Vulcano's assistant
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Pfft, next you'll tell me "under God" in the Pledge was added in the 50s too! Yeah right...
The Antitype
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It definitely skewed that way in AC2 and Brotherhood, which is unfortunate, cause those are the games that a lot of people hold up.
All of the targets in the original AC, and even the revealed bad guy in Revelations had positive character traits. I won't go through them here, you can check the assassins creed wikia for a break down of their personal motivations. There was really only one psychopath, who just fell in love with the power of life and death over other human beings.
By the end of Revelations, the non-templar guy who takes over control of the country from the major villain almost seems a worse, more dangerous leader than the templar he replaced.
There exists enough conflict amongst the Founding Fathers, and really, between general organizations during that time period for there to be discernible dissent. They won't be able to take the entire founding and make it a Templar scheme, there has to be an internal struggle, even if both groups want the same outcome.
The Antitype
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A visible monarchy creates dissent and unhappiness from the people over a long period of time. On the other hand, the illusion of democracy keeps people satisfied with the presumption of freedom. This illusion is then stirred in the direction the power brokers want it to go, by influencing the people through consumerism, religion, and charismatic leadership. The trick is to make people think they are voting for their own benefit, while they are not.
Disclaimer: I am talking about the silly AC storyline, I am NOT a conspiracy nut!
Exactly, it's not as though America and it's systems are being positioned as good or evil. They are a tool-set that can be used more effectively than monarchies by both sides of the conflict - the Templars who wish to control, and the Assassin's who value free will.
Duffy - Did you also hate The Da Vinci code for daring to suggest that Jesus Christ was an actual man who had sex and children? Cause by the same token that you feel AC is slandering the founding fathers, others felt the same way about that book and Jesus Christ.
Personally, I don't care about either. It's historical fiction, a fun look at real events with made-up elements. Nobody is going to present AC as fact.
thetrin
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Russia was covered in the comic.
Yeah this could turn into a pr nightmare for ubi if they are not careful with how they handel some aspects of the setting and figures of the time. I don't think turning the founding fathers especially washington into a villian , then instructing players to assassinate them will go over very well. Washington, nor any of them were perfect men by any strecth but they are considered heroes by a great many people and for a lot of good reasons. I'm also curious to see if ubi will try to tackle anything related to slavery, as that could be a disaster for them aswell if not handle correctly. Love the concept but its going to be interesting to see where they go with it.
hmm..
Why did you quote his avatar?
benjipwns
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Or that the Pledge didn't exist before 1892 and took another 50 years for Congress to adopt!
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Except you're being told that he paves the way for Suleiman.
And I thought the doctor from AC1 was a shithell, although it's been so long that I could be misremembering.
LyleLanley
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So I've been told.
Pretty much.
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thetrin
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You should check it out. Cameron Stewart's art is top notch in it.
This might be Desmond's conclusion; since the whole reason he has been rushing around in the previous games is because of the "2012 events" which his why he ends..where he ended in Revelations.
Then again, who knows what curveball they'll throw in this one.
It'd be a Lemmings game where you swipe and send hordes of Indians towards the English. In between rounds you have to shake the iPad for Gandhi to eat his meatball sub in the corner, building up his Alien-attack-super-power.
Oh, come on. You really think the premise is trite? There is no America yet to save.
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