Come on, we're talking about a game series where the final stage in one of the games is to basically break into the Vatican as a one man army, kill a bunch of people, and then fight the Pope in a one on one battle with magic alien powers.
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Assassin's Creed III: American Revolution setting confirmed [Game Informer/Box Art]
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Come on, we're talking about a game series where the final stage in one of the games is to basically break into the Vatican as a one man army, kill a bunch of people, and then fight the Pope in a one on one battle with magic alien powers.
Palette Swap
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I'm kind of worried from an architectural standpoint honestly.
But that might just be a lack of american architecture knowledge on my part.
I wouldn't be surprised if they saved Paris/London for standalone expansions though.
But that might just be a lack of american architecture knowledge on my part.
I wouldn't be surprised if they saved Paris/London for standalone expansions though.
The Antitype
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How would they tackle slavery other than to say that yes, the people founding America had lots and lots of slaves and treated them poorly?
onlyindreams
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Dude, they're story focused games. If you're not going to play them to completion in order please don't even bother.
You're onto me, shit.
MrCookiepants
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I was really hoping for Asia. :/ Lame setting.
3-story houses = Viewpoints. (lol)
Of All Trades
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Eh, it's not hard to see a "Templars were controlling Washington et al but AMERICA CRYING EAGLE came through with Ezekiel Adider freeing them from the apple's influence, blah blah they were innocent of the nefarious plot all hail AMERICA LAND O THE FREE".
If there's a AC3 Revelations I could see maybe (mayyyyyybe) doing something with Nat Turner. Followed by a Harriet Tubman Facebook game with lots of sliding bars.
Did I feel the same way? Noo... but I'm not a Christian. I certainly understand why people did feel that way, though even if I were a Christian I wouldn't be offended by the idea of Jesus having kids.
But regardless, I'm not saying the game shouldn't be made. I'm saying that I would be bothered if it is handled in certain ways that I feel are shitty, and if that does happen I won't support it and hope others will feel the same way.
If you don't like the Gandhi example, what about if it were Martin Luther King? He was actually a Nazi who used the Apple to turn his skin black and then brain-wash people into blahblahblah, CIA, yadayada? Ooo! Or Barack Obama got it and used it to fake his birth certificate! I mean, they CAN make anything they want (and in this country, sell it without much obstruction, thanks to some pretty important people some couple hundred years ago).
And I CAN say I think it sucks, again, thanks to some pretty cool dudes... who are clearly just using me like a cog in their sick web!!!!
jakonovski
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I have this sinking feeling Ubi is going to retcon the Founding Fathers into good guys just to appease the market segment that can't handle bad guy Americans in a fictional story.
We are not going to be assassinating Washington. Oh my.
The AC series has, for better or worse, usually followed the real history of those people it's characters are based on. At least when it comes to life and death. See: the end of ACII.
The problem with these examples are not that the stories are offensive in any way, but rather that they are just... bad stories. If there is a more compelling development of the story behind those claims, it could be more interesting, but as you present them, they wouldn't be very appealing.
Well, in the context of war, there is a bit of nuance to that. Slaves fought on both sides and were actively recruited by both sides. iirc, some slaves received freedom after the fighting. The British even tried to incite riots, hoping the slaves would turn against their masters.
The problem with these examples are not that the stories are offensive in any way, but rather that they are just... bad stories. If there is a more compelling development of the story behind those claims, it could be more interesting, but as you present them, they wouldn't be very appealing.
So you agree with me completely and want a subscription to my newsletter? Perfect.
nckillthegrimace
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Or you could climb a tree. This takes place before the Templars cut them all down.
Some of them could be bad and some could be good. If only there was some convenient way to divide the founding fathers into two opposing groups...
Yes, I do. And please, with that art in the OP, it's definitely about saving America.
The Dutch Slayer
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AWESOME !!!!!
AranhaHunter
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First thing I noticed. Setting is great, character design for this setting is not.
If this really is the character design, it might be a deal breaker for me...
I agree but many people hold these men to a level that they think probably should not be touched, history can be an emotional thing for people. Also let's not kids ourselves the moment places like fox news find out that there is a game in which washingtton is a villian and you get to assassinate him, they and those like them will have a field day with the "video games" are evil stuff.
You'd be surprised how sensistive topics like this can be for many people. One wrong move could turn into a backlash with topics like this. I'm not saying they should not be explored but should they be, they need to do it carefully.
Depending on where exactly this takes place in the colonies, the infrastucture could vary wildly. I wonder if we'll be doing more off road type traversal. More woods and backroads, rivers and streams. Something different to accomdate for the lack of constructed architecture.
Of All Trades
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It turns out Franklin's kites were actually big enough to hold a person. Find them all!
It wasn't just Jefferson/Washington/Adams/etc, there were plenty of other people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States
I mean, there's gotta be more than a few forgotten shitheels on that list that could get stabbed without anyone caring. I mean, this guy may sound nice:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Whipple
but dying atop a horse with a heart attack? Dude got the poison blade.
harriet the spy
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Weird, I thought France was a lock. So many hints in that direction.
I hope at least the founding fathers will be bad guys, just to see all the whining.
I don't really think it will be multi-setting. It sounds really expensive to do different cities for which there will be very little texture re-use.
I hope at least the founding fathers will be bad guys, just to see all the whining.
I don't really think it will be multi-setting. It sounds really expensive to do different cities for which there will be very little texture re-use.
The Antitype
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No, you can say you think it sucks because of a system that gives them the opportunity to use you like a cog in their sick web... just as it provides us all with the opportunity to seek the greatest degree of freedom human society has known.
I see your point, I just don't see why certain historical figures are supposedly off limits. If you wanted to say that Martin Luther King was an alien that came to earth and used his heightened wisdom and powers of influence to better humanity... sure, why not. Cute story.
If you want to write fiction that says Barack Obama is actually a Templar operative, go for it. As a liberal, I don't care. There were lots of presidents called out as Templar operatives in the AC2 secret files if I remember correctly. So why not Obama? As far as a character in historical fiction, he's no more off limits than Truman, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagen, etc. They are/were public figures, and they are/were historical figures, which makes them fair game for historical FICTION.
Of All Trades
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You aren't going to assassinate Washington because that's not what happened in history.
You may get to groin-punch him, though.
Boooooooooo. I got to beat up the pope, now I want to beat up George Washington.
XANDER CAGE
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If we get to fist fight him the way we got to go toe to toe with
the pope
nckillthegrimace
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Goddamn that walrus-toothed son of a bitch.
"though they were blossomed with silver and had leaves of the purest gold!''"
TEMPLARS
Hobbestetrician
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I really like the AC series and would be on board for III regardless but this news has me even more hyped. Really presents the developers with the opportunity to reinvent the gameplay to fit with a time period that may not be as conducive to the established gameplay as the periods already explored. The Native American angle has a lot of great possibilities as well. I am on board the hype train like I have never been with the series.
All right, dude. Agree to disagree. I think it's horribly fucked up to paint someone as something they weren't. I mean, I can keep ratcheting up the examples, to the dumbest degree imaginable to make my point; "Hitler was an alien who was killing the Jews because he had a crystal ball which showed one of them being the devil incarnate! He was actually the best human being ever! What a wonderful guy!" But it wouldn't serve any purpose any more.
The Antitype
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I take it you haven't played the AC games, or at the very least, haven't explored the Subject 16 documents in AC2 and Brotherhood...
Honestly, for all the talk about being offended by historical fiction, I'd be more offended if Ubisoft pulled a 'Tea Party' and just removed all reference to slaves because it might make some people uncomfortable that their heroes were also racists that treated some people as less-than-human.
They don't have to explore it or make it a major part of the story, all I want to see is some reference to the fact that yes, these people had slaves waiting on their ever need and order.
harriet the spy
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Oh come on, drop the silly founding fathers adoration and the unbelievably shitty analogies. 'Horribly fucked up'.. jesus. The game does not even paint templars as bloodthirsty maniacs, more as manipulators who think humanity should not be left to its own devices (yes, they also murder and assassinate, but it's not like the assassins are particularly doing well on that front either..)
I just think there is too much going for it be about 'merica and that excessive jingoism that often accompanies it. And as I said before, if Washington is actively a Templar, there must be some substantive internal conflict in the upper echelons of the political sphere during this time period (not to mention the divides at the pedestrian level). It may be saving America -- but from itself, with a focus how and and on what values the country should be founded, rather than the establishment as simply an end-goal. It's up to Ubisoft and its developers to make sure the history is utilized properly. And, I don't know how familiar you are with the games, but those overarching themes (even the ones you would find in Italy) are often passive entities, with the meat of the game focusing on self-sustaining, isolated, fictional events. Plus, this setting for an open-world action game?
Sorry if this sounds too 'Murrican for everybody, but what prompts comments like this? I almost find the strawman mockery of blind patriotism to be as obnoxious as blind patriotism.
Yes.
No to the first, cuz (some of them) deserve it. And clearly I already said I was giving up the second: no need to keep making those analogies. Don't think I'll top that Hitler-Alien-Savior thing anyway.
Blast Processing
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I want Paul Giamatti in as John Adams for this.
Sevket-Erhat
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I'm ready
LizardKing
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i don't understand how people can think that the period in history which set the foundation for the modern day way of life is boring or uninteresting.
The Antitype
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In so far as the AC universe is concerned, America is nothing more than a system through which the Templars can attempt to influence and control the masses, and through which the Assassin's can try to protect free will.
All of the emotional connotations and meaning people place on the idea of 'America' are meaningless. They have no stake in 'saving' or 'destroying' America. If they can get their hooks in and use the systems to spread their influence, so be it. If not, they will attempt to overthrow it.
Neither group has any political affiliations or ideals. They have acted across monarchies, communist governments, and eventually democracies, and any members of those governments were simply using their positions to pursue the agenda of their group. The country could burn down along with everybody in their political party if that what was deemed best for the cause.
This game is going to be AMAZING.
Good thing, the change of setting and era was more than needed.
Now, there is ONE disapointment : the architecture. I do not think that we would have the opportunity to have interesting urban setting in Colonial America (compared to the previous cities found in the game, especially during Ezio's times). That might reduce the climbing aspect by some degree.
BUT
They might also take this opportunity to shift the focus of the gameplay to a more wide-open world with a richer "countryside" (which have been pretty bland in the serie thus far) to explore...yeah, à là RDR I would say (as long as we avoid dry lands to skip redundancy).
It's a great time in History that has not really been exploited by the Videogame industry yet, and I honestly think that the AssCreed teams are the perfect fit to start with (they already did a fantastic job to transcribe the Crusade time and the Renaissance).
An for those who are a bit suspicious about a native american in the main role : well, past games have shown that you become an Assassin's by endorsment of their values, I can easily see a native fighting for their cause if he is pushed toward it. Besides, It does not have to be the same Lineage as Ezio or Altaïr, as long as the new character lineage goes to Desmond. I would have enjoyed a female character for a change though.
Now, there is ONE disapointment : the architecture. I do not think that we would have the opportunity to have interesting urban setting in Colonial America (compared to the previous cities found in the game, especially during Ezio's times). That might reduce the climbing aspect by some degree.
BUT
They might also take this opportunity to shift the focus of the gameplay to a more wide-open world with a richer "countryside" (which have been pretty bland in the serie thus far) to explore...yeah, à là RDR I would say (as long as we avoid dry lands to skip redundancy).
It's a great time in History that has not really been exploited by the Videogame industry yet, and I honestly think that the AssCreed teams are the perfect fit to start with (they already did a fantastic job to transcribe the Crusade time and the Renaissance).
An for those who are a bit suspicious about a native american in the main role : well, past games have shown that you become an Assassin's by endorsment of their values, I can easily see a native fighting for their cause if he is pushed toward it. Besides, It does not have to be the same Lineage as Ezio or Altaïr, as long as the new character lineage goes to Desmond. I would have enjoyed a female character for a change though.
Yes. Yes it is.
onlyindreams
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believe me, there would be people finding reasons to shit on any setting Ubisoft could announce.
UnluckyKate
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Never under estimate the predictable caracter of human stupidity. Especially with american people.
LyleLanley
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...ok then.
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