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Winter 2012 Anime Thread 2.22: You Can (Not) Outpost Cajunator

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Branduil

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Fate/Zero 2

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What's wrong with your face?

Much better than the first episode.
 

Steroyd

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It's nice to see you all enjoyed Guilty Crown so much. Can't wait to start watching it myself!

Wait, where did you get that impression?

Inu x Boku SS - 11

Ma Hnng, wer da fuk did it go!?

That was yet another boring episode, more boring than the last one if you comprehend that being possible.
 

Ryuukan

Member
I would be ok with this. Even though I didn't enjoy the original anime series particularly much, it is still a fun concept. It definitely looks like it got better in subsequent games, and characters like Erica would be soooo HNNNNNNNG. I know several OVA's were released as well as a movie, which I haven't fully seen so someone correct me if Erica is indeed in some animated form.

Both the Paris and New York troupes got OVAs
 

Lafiel

と呼ぶがよい
- The DYRL blu-ray contains both the theatrical version and the complete edition.
- The soundtrack is available in the original stereo as well as a new 5.1 track.
- DYRL itself is a HD remaster using the original 35mm negatives. But for the complete edition ending using elements of Flashback 2012, those ending portions are upscales from the best master they could find, because the original master film no longer exists.

HNNGGGGGGGGGGG x10 i want that set so bad!
 

Jex

Member
HNNGGGGGGGGGGG x10 i want that set so bad!

Well it's not really that expensive.

Oh, god, what am I saying? Ridiculous anime pricing has clearly skewed my sense of what's a 'good price' so badly that I think paying that much money for just one movie isn't that bad.

It's actually pretty expensive.
 

Risette

A Good Citizen
Well it's not really that expensive.

Oh, god, what am I saying? Ridiculous anime pricing has clearly skewed my sense of what's a 'good price' so badly that I think paying that much money for just one movie isn't that bad.

It's actually pretty expensive.
Not really. More like dirt cheap other territory prices have skewed your sense of what's a good price. It's no coincidence that Japan has top notch packaging along with their prices.
 

Jex

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Not really. More like dirt cheap other territory prices have skewed your sense of what's a good price. It's no coincidence that Japan has top notch packaging along with their prices.

That seems like a backwards way of looking at it.

A good price, presumably, is a reflection of what must people are willing to pay for their entertainment.

The dirt cheap pricing is a reflection of how much normal consumers are willing to pay for the entertainment they possess e.g. not a lot. Companies in the West have responded to his buy lowering their prices time and time again because that's how the market works.

I certainly can't currently come up with a situation where I'd spend that much on a single release because there's far more important things that I could be doing what the money.
 

Risette

A Good Citizen
That seems like a backwards way of looking at it.

A good price, presumably, is a reflection of what must people are willing to pay for their entertainment.

The dirt cheap pricing is a reflection of how much normal consumers are willing to pay for the entertainment they possess e.g. not a lot.
So is Japan somehow exempt from this rule?

I certainly can't currently come up with a situation where I'd spend that much on a single release because there's far more important things that I could be doing what the money.
Seems like you really don't want it that bad then.
 

Jex

Member
So is Japan somehow exempt from this rule?

Clearly, yes, because their pricing for movies and games is fucking terrible. As consumers, they've clearly been screwed. I mean, they can't even rent games.
Seems like you really don't want it that bad then.

Isn't that precisely the point, though? Like, I would certainly like to purchase that set quite badly but I'd never purchase it at that price, even though I have the disposable income to do so.

Therefore I consider that to be too expensive.
 

cajunator

Banned
US Anime pricing is still not THAT expensive.
I'm still able to afford even the aniplex stuff, although it is a bit of a steep price to pay for a series I didn't completely love. I did enjoy it though. and the box is so PRETTY *_*
 

Lafiel

と呼ぶがよい
Kimi Ni Todoke 1-5 - Giving this show a another chance, and it's really growing on me somewhat, it's SLOW as fuck, but the sense of mood it gives out is interesting.. I can see myself getting really hooked on the series from now on.:D can't wait to watch more.
 

Risette

A Good Citizen
Clearly, yes, because their pricing for movies and games is fucking terrible. As consumers, they've clearly been screwed. I mean, they can't even rent games.
Seems to work out fine. The "official import" model for Aniplex USA also seems to be working fine, too. Dirt cheap prices are a bad thing, and I welcome the switch to a premium market.


Isn't that precisely the point, though? Like, I would certainly like to purchase that set quite badly but I'd never purchase it at that price, even though I have the disposable income to do so.

Therefore I consider that to be too expensive.
You aren't a true fan. :(
 

madp

The Light of El Cantare
US Anime pricing is still not THAT expensive.
I'm still able to afford even the aniplex stuff, although it is a bit of a steep price to pay for a series I didn't completely love. I did enjoy it though. and the box is so PRETTY *_*

I think that has significantly more to do with your level of income than the price!
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Kimi Ni Todoke 1-5 - Giving this show a another chance, and it's really growing on me somewhat, it's SLOW as fuck, but the sense of mood it gives out is interesting.. I can see myself getting really hooked on the series from now on.:D can't wait to watch more.
By slow you mean it properly develops mood and tone over a good amount of episodes!
 

cajunator

Banned
Seems to work out fine. The "official import" model for Aniplex USA also seems to be working fine, too. Dirt cheap prices are a bad thing, and I welcome the switch to a premium market.



You aren't a true fan. :(

Dirt cheap pricing leaves absolutely no overhead for the seller. I would be ok with, at bare minimum, a move back to the 30$ per volume release price point if that would help us companies to afford to keep their lights on. If I must pay a bit more to help the industry out, then so be it. Granted I think the aniplex price model isn't very viable for the US market. It works differently here than it does in Japan.
 

Risette

A Good Citizen
Dirt cheap pricing leaves absolutely no overhead for the seller. I would be ok with, at bare minimum, a move back to the 30$ per volume release price point if that would help us companies to afford to keep their lights on. If I must pay a bit more to help the industry out, then so be it. Granted I think the aniplex price model isn't very viable for the US market. It works differently here than it does in Japan.
My main problem with the volume releasing is that it takes too long. I'd be good with ~$100+ premium-packaging boxes for things.
 

Solune

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Kimi Ni Todoke 1-5 - Giving this show a another chance, and it's really growing on me somewhat, it's SLOW as fuck, but the sense of mood it gives out is interesting.. I can see myself getting really hooked on the series from now on.:D can't wait to watch more.

I affectionately call it Kimi ni Slowdoke.
 

Jex

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Seems to work out fine. The "official import" model for Aniplex USA also seems to be working fine, too. Dirt cheap prices are a bad thing, and I welcome the switch to a premium market.
I absolutely cannot endorse this. Without a cheap, 'barebones's edition of some of movies and shows I will never, ever own them.

Broadly speaking, I agree that the devaluation of entertainment products is a bad thing in the long run. However, it has already happened. 99cent games, music tracks, incredibly effective Steam Sales and so on have successfully driven down the prices of what the average consumer is willing to shell out for anything. This doesn't seem sustainable in the long run.

Still, only catering to the super-hard core seems problematic. If the industry doesn't have releases for 'casual fans' then the industry is dooming itself by targeting the limited niche audience. Of course, this is why streaming exists, but that business model isn't really finalized yet.

High price, boutique anime releases didn't work out for everyone, either. Just look at Honneamise and their gorgeous editions of the Patlabor movies. I purchased them - at a quarter of the price they retailed at. As they never sold and just sat in warehouses forever the prices eventually had to come down to a price when they would actually sell.
 

ZetaEpyon

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I actually think Honneamise was just a little too early with their strategy.
Also, trying that with older titles to start with instead of a hot property (Madoka, Fate/Zero, etc) probably didn't help.
 

Risette

A Good Citizen
High price, boutique anime releases didn't work out for everyone, either. Just look at Honneamise and their gorgeous editions of the Patlabor movies. I purchased them - at a quarter of the price they retailed at. As they never sold and just sat in warehouses forever the prices eventually had to come down to a price when they would actually sell.
That's because Honneamise ran their business poorly and suffered the consequences. A few of Aniplex USA's releases have completely sold out.
Still, only catering to the super-hard core seems problematic. If the industry doesn't have releases for 'casual fans' then the industry is dooming itself by targeting the limited niche audience. Of course, this is why streaming exists, but that business model isn't really finalized yet.
There are few casual fans in anime, tbh. The people who actually buy anime will likely pay whatever price.
 

Jex

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Kimi Ni Todoke 1-5 - Giving this show a another chance, and it's really growing on me somewhat, it's SLOW as fuck, but the sense of mood it gives out is interesting.. I can see myself getting really hooked on the series from now on.:D can't wait to watch more.

Kimi Ni Todoke is pretty much the poster child for a Slowjou anime series but that didn't bother me too much in the first season. It became a big problem for me later on, but there's still plenty to enjoy in the first season.
 

cajunator

Banned
My main problem with the volume releasing is that it takes too long. I'd be good with ~$100+ premium-packaging boxes for things.

I agree with that. the wait was the bad part about it. Do you know how unbearable it was waiting for each release of Last Exile or Kiddy Grade?
(yes I'm a big fan of both of these shows)
Sometimes I would wait for several volumes to release before snatching them up. I was actually pretty excited when they started releasing complete sets. World of Narue seems to have been one of the first to adopt the model and I quickly bought it. But the current pricing model just doesnt seem to make much sense from a company standpoint.
 

Envelope

sealed with a kiss
Kimi Ni Todoke is pretty much the poster child for a Slowjou anime series but that didn't bother me too much in the first season. It became a big problem for me later on, but there's still plenty to enjoy in the first season.

I enjoyed what I watched of KnT (admittedly not very much), Sawako is pretty damn moe.
 

Branduil

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Kimi Ni Todoke is pretty much the poster child for a Slowjou anime series but that didn't bother me too much in the first season. It became a big problem for me later on, but there's still plenty to enjoy in the first season.

The first season sustains itself because there are some other things besides romance involved, and it's just unrealistically slow, as opposed to the second season where things are actively sabotaged by unbelievable and infuriating misunderstandings.
 
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