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Spring Anime 2012 | Welcome Home, Space Cowboy

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Thoraxes said:
An English (European English) accent that is horrible.

Also Houki is horrible, large-bust sensei is horrible, half the women have lisps, onee-san's is horrible.

Pika-tan is acceptable.
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I don't really want to watch this just to laugh at it, I've already got the dub for Glass Fleet on my TO LAUGH AT list.
 
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madp

The Light of El Cantare
firehawk12 said:
I'm not even talking about the ending, because the actual end of the show is probably the best they could have done given the material.

What I'm saying is whether or not a writer can come in and basically took the manga and make a real TV show as opposed to something that is faithful to the manga. Compress the tournament arcs, push the character development forward in directions not even anticipated by the mangaka - basically do what the original Fullmetal Alchemist anime did when they ran out of manga material to adapt the first time around.

Something about manga adaptations have to be safe and I assume it's because you don't want the anime to trample over the manga if at all possible. I just wonder who you blame at that point for a tepid adaptation? If anime producers are necessarily beholden to the source text, then it's the mangaka that's basically at fault here. But then again, in a manga context, maybe having volumes and volumes of karuta playing is perfectly fine because people reading manga are used to endless pages of battles and fighting anyway.
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I'll admit to being a little too hung up on the ending, which I do recognize to have been the only good way for the story to end after frittering away half the series on karuta. You've made the other point that I'd like to make about my problems with the second part of Chihayafuru, that being that it wasn't properly adapted into a television series but stayed in the realm of animated manga adaptation. There's a pretty important distinction between the two, with the former being willing to go beyond the existing source material in order to create a satisfying narrative. Your example of the original Fullmetal Alchemist anime is probably one of the best examples of an ongoing manga properly adapted for television, regardless of one's personal feelings on the quality of the anime-original portion.

Ultimately there's enough blame to go around for how Chihayafuru ended up. Bad source material is a factor in and of itself, and there's no denying that there was a failure to properly adapt the source material. Regardless of whether or not there was a valid justification for the poor adaptation (pressure from the mangaka not to alter the story, pressure from the manga publisher to promote the manga with an intentionally unsatisfying ending, etc.), the result remains the same. It's pretty safe to assume that there were multiple sources of mishandling--if it was only the source material to blame and there were no restrictions on the adaptation, we'd probably have more anime-original character development and resolution. If it was only the animation studio to blame, we'd have a good story that rushes through and arrives at some other non-end. Neither of these redeeming qualities were present, unfortunately.
 
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icecream

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jp_zer0

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I have a feeling that Shaft could make the Madoka movie severely good if they do it right. If they animate the Madoka movie even with a little bit of the quality seen in their regular openings, then it has potential to work really well. The studio has matured quite a bit beyond the Negima Movie, and their attention to quality has also grown.

If Shaft concentrates their efforts, then they are able to pull off great anime.

I suspect the third Madoka movie will get the most attention out of their projects and be the most awesome work Shaft has produced. Its a fair assumption that the first two movies will just be clips from the show.
 
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Risette

A Good Citizen
jp_zer0 said:
I have a feeling that Shaft could make the Madoka movie severely good if they do it right. If they animate the Madoka movie even with a little bit of the quality seen in their regular openings, then it has potential to work really well. The studio has matured quite a bit beyond the Negima Movie, and their attention to quality has also grown.
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I hope they can best their previous record of 28 animation directors for a movie. Go for 50!
 
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cajunator

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Mad Pierrot said:
I'll admit to being a little too hung up on the ending, which I do recognize to have been the only good way for the story to end after frittering away half the series on karuta. You've made the other point that I'd like to make about my problems with the second part of Chihayafuru, that being that it wasn't properly adapted into a television series but stayed in the realm of animated manga adaptation. There's a pretty important distinction between the two, with the former being willing to go beyond the existing source material in order to create a satisfying narrative. Your example of the original Fullmetal Alchemist anime is probably one of the best examples of an ongoing manga properly adapted for television, regardless of one's personal feelings on the quality of the anime-original portion.

Ultimately there's enough blame to go around for how Chihayafuru ended up. Bad source material is a factor in and of itself, and there's no denying that there was a failure to properly adapt the source material. Regardless of whether or not there was a valid justification for the poor adaptation (pressure from the mangaka not to alter the story, pressure from the manga publisher to promote the manga with an intentionally unsatisfying ending, etc.), the result remains the same. It's pretty safe to assume that there were multiple sources of mishandling--if it was only the source material to blame and there were no restrictions on the adaptation, we'd probably have more anime-original character development and resolution. If it was only the animation studio to blame, we'd have a good story that rushes through and arrives at some other non-end. Neither of these redeeming qualities were present, unfortunately.
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Honestly i enjoyed the karuta tournament parts the most. Frankly i didnt care much if the relationship stuff worked or not.
The show pretty much ended like i expected it to and i was more than satisfied with it.
I suppose i had different reasons to like the show and different expectations for the outcome so it worked for me.
 
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firehawk12

Subete no aware
Mad Pierrot said:
I'll admit to being a little too hung up on the ending, which I do recognize to have been the only good way for the story to end after frittering away half the series on karuta. You've made the other point that I'd like to make about my problems with the second part of Chihayafuru, that being that it wasn't properly adapted into a television series but stayed in the realm of animated manga adaptation. There's a pretty important distinction between the two, with the former being willing to go beyond the existing source material in order to create a satisfying narrative. Your example of the original Fullmetal Alchemist anime is probably one of the best examples of an ongoing manga properly adapted for television, regardless of one's personal feelings on the quality of the anime-original portion.

Ultimately there's enough blame to go around for how Chihayafuru ended up. Bad source material is a factor in and of itself, and there's no denying that there was a failure to properly adapt the source material. Regardless of whether or not there was a valid justification for the poor adaptation (pressure from the mangaka not to alter the story, pressure from the manga publisher to promote the manga with an intentionally unsatisfying ending, etc.), the result remains the same. It's pretty safe to assume that there were multiple sources of mishandling--if it was only the source material to blame and there were no restrictions on the adaptation, we'd probably have more anime-original character development and resolution. If it was only the animation studio to blame, we'd have a good story that rushes through and arrives at some other non-end. Neither of these redeeming qualities were present, unfortunately.
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I suppose one other factor is that if you treat the manga as a series of storyboards, you basically have half the work done already. :p

It's probably some kind of industry thing where people keep doing the same thing because it's the only thing they know how to do.

All of this is to say that I have no idea who to point the finger at, I suppose. Let's just blame Japan, as we always do!
 
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Fate/Stay Night 9:

Hey, they actually tried to animate this fight! Mostly. Quite a bit. Kinda. Well, somewhat. Sigh.

Looks like Ilya's going to be in the next episode.

Ultimadrago said:
Did the karuta come with special move names and accompanying crazy visuals?!

Of course not. I am cry...
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You should watch The Legend of Koizumi sometime.
 
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frostbyte

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Unknown Soldier said:
Fate/Stay Night 9:

Hey, they actually tried to animate this fight! Mostly. Quite a bit. Kinda. Well, somewhat. Sigh.

Looks like Ilya's going to be in the next episode.
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lol, your expectations are too high.

But, hey, you could think of it this way. It's at least got more and better animation than the VN right?
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Ice Lightning

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Hetalia: Axis Powers 49

Words cannot describe how funny that was, at least the dub that is. I went back and watched the sub to find some subtle differences. I really should start watching series sub first, then dub, to see how much has changed from the original.
 
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wonzo

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SPACE BROS 1

A pretty strong first episode. Hopefully they can keep it up for the next ~50 episodes.
The space pug riding the star in the op was cute as fuck.
 
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Dedication Through Light

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petethepanda said:
Never followed along with any anime seasons as they're airing. I have to look into it. Been looking for some stuff to watch.
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I was looking back at charts, I think this is only my fourth season following anime as they are airing (season with angel beats was my first time), its pretty different watching stuff as they air.

This season seems to have a lot of potentially compelling anime.
 
Ultimadrago

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cosmicblizzard said:
Yes.

Also read the manga afterwards because it's longer.
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Unknown Soldier said:
You have no idea, do you? Go watch it now before you get spoiled.
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Hmm, duly noted. I'll add it to the list.


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Requiem from the Darkness 11

Nooow, the overarching plot is meaning a tad more. Alas, with only two episodes left, it is too late. I wish it would have delved into this sooner rather than stay episodic. Enjoyable episode where Mr.Author meets
The Boss
and is further told to not go into matters not concerning him and why.
 
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Space Bros 1

My comparison of Ayumu Watanabe to Isao Takahata was not off base. I was getting Only Yesterday vibes with how this episode approached storytelling: interior monologue, going back and forth between the present day and childhood flashbacks, imaginative enlivening of a realistic world with fantasy (
see the scene when the astronaut and the two young brothers went into space
). The tone is different - more quirky and humorous - but the effect in making us sympathize with the main character's position is similar. Very promising beginning.

I love the OP.
 
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madp

The Light of El Cantare
Rurouni Kenshin: Shin Kyoto-hen Pt. 1

I fail to see why this even exists. It's the absolute bare shell of Kenshin's fantastic Kyoto arc and, apart from a couple of unimportant plot alterations, doesn't take the story in a particularly different direction. Was this made to celebrate some milestone anniversary for the manga? Because if it isn't, the rationale for bringing the Kenshin franchise back from the dead solely for this lifeless one-off production escapes me.

Can I say anything at all about this? It had lush backgrounds, the animation was solid, and, uhh...that's pretty much it. The modernized, homogenized overhauls of Watsuki's character designs are pretty off-putting. Kenshin is more bishounen than ever. Misao's role was oddly prominent. Apparently her stock has risen in the past decade thanks to her being an adolescent girl. For real this time, I'm out of things to say. Don't bother watching it.
 
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cosmicblizzard

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Ultimadrago said:
Will they be terribly confusing for me if I have no clue how to play mahjong?
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I don't know ANYTHING about mahjong and I still enjoyed it. In fact, it's pretty much the only mahjong related series I was able to get into without reading the rules. Kaiji? Nope. Saki? Nope. Akagi? Nope. Just Koizumi.
 
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Brazil

Living in the shadow of Amaz
Mad Pierrot said:
Rurouni Kenshin: Shin Kyoto-hen Pt. 1

I fail to see why this even exists. It's the absolute bare shell of Kenshin's fantastic Kyoto arc and, apart from a couple of unimportant plot alterations, doesn't take the story in a particularly different direction. Was this made to celebrate some milestone anniversary for the manga? Because if it isn't, the rationale for bringing the Kenshin franchise back from the dead solely for this lifeless one-off production escapes me.

Can I say anything at all about this? It had lush backgrounds, the animation was solid, and, uhh...that's pretty much it. The modernized, homogenized overhauls of Watsuki's character designs are pretty off-putting. Kenshin is more bishounen than ever. Misao's role was oddly prominent. Apparently her stock has risen in the past decade thanks to her being an adolescent girl. For real this time, I'm out of things to say. Don't bother watching it.
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Well, the OVA's supposed to be the retelling of that arc through Misao's perspective, so that's not odd at all.

But I can't add anything to this post. The OVA was severely lackluster.
 
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Ryuukan said:
Seitokai Yakuindomo
Sekirei S2
Sengoku Basara S2
Occult Academy
Highschool of the Dead

Great season, unless you live in a nursing home. No offense Jex.
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Of those only SYD was any good at all. Of those other ones Occult Academy initially had promise, but that quickly proved illusory, and I dropped it by the third or fourth episode. SYD's really the only show from that season that's worth watching at all.

Makoto said:
Gunslinger Girl -II Teatrino- 1-2

What have you done, Artland? What have you done? Madhouse established a beautiful, calculated world with the first Gunslinger Girl and now it's become this bright and moe cartoon that feels more like a low-budget Saturday morning special.

I'm sure this has already been mentioned before in past threads but I just have to post it. Season 1 (Madhouse) left, compared to 2 (Artland) right. The picture itself doesn't even do the disparity justice because season 2 looks worse in motion.
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And this is why I have never watched this, despite how great the first season was. :(

firehawk12 said:
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Fuck yeah.
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Lasted about two episodes or something because the world was not ready for such things, unfortunately.

Mad Pierrot said:
But in the 22nd century, mankind has completely abandoned sexual taboos and as such has eradicated the power of clothing to titillate, so sadly this is not a counterexample :(
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I don't know if Star Trek really goes quite that far, it has to appeal to the modern-day audience after all...

Ultimadrago said:
If a high schooler ever existed as awesome as Karasawa, high school students globally would get a less infamous rap. That's the only male representation that matters.

Also, no high school girl's as awesome in their primal nature as Ringo. At least, not without adding drrrrrr-amaaaa in the mix. /generalization101

As for Funky High School Girls...that's probably pretty accurate in some areas.
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Yeah, no way is that show an accurate depiction of high schoolers.

Oh, I didn't know if you were expecting replies since you seemed to just answer my questions and reaffirm a few of my thoughts. I'll go reply to some.
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It's kind of boring to have lots of posts that never get replies, but I see you did reply to some of them, that's nice.

Ultimadrago said:
Yeah man, they are something else when it comes to grub!
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But as anyone who has watched the show should know, when your food is as limited as it is for them, that reaction sort of makes sense... it's both funny and works, a good combination!

I like her a lot! Though for some reason like green hair the best of "Genius 4" which is strange as she isn't that "forward" a character in her personality, so I could see her being last in other people's rankings. The Beach one is the only one so far where she has really shined for me.
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Kokoro is probably the funnies one of them, but that's not really a fair comparison, given that almost all of their humor is centered on how ridiculous Kokoro is... as for ranking those four though, I don't know. Pink hair there might be in first, not sure.

In one season 2 episode
she goes to a "candyholics anonymous" meeting... :lol

Yeah, I appreciate the explanation. After watching 10, it's coming together for me much more clearly now.
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Her reasoning isn't one that's going to lead to as much thievery, but it does make sense from a "wanting competition" standpoint.

Apart from that, that episode -- the beach episode -- is one of the more fanservicey ones, but it's not too overdone, and the episode is pretty funny; it maintains that Milky Holmes humor in good form. :)
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Yeah, agreed, that's true. The second half of the episode in particular made it a bit more interesting than just your average beach episode, once they started exploring that cave... (though yes, they were still in their bathing suits through that part, it was more of an adventure certainly).

I asked you before, but you may have missed it. What is your Milky Holmes ranking(just the gang)?
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Among the main four? Hmm, I'd probably say Hercule is first, Sherlock second, Nero third, and Cordelia fourth.

Ultimadrago said:
The whipping part had my stomach hurting in laughter.

NYA! NYA! NYA! NYA!

Can't get enough, "LOOK AT MEEEEE~!"
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Yeah, it's definitely a very funny show.

Ha! Let me guess, she keeps it for season 2! :D
I noticed the numbers thing too, at one point she said "13 billion I.Q." or something like that. Oh Kokoro, may you hit the trillions!
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Yeah, those IQ numbers ...
they keep increasing. Go back to the first time and you'll see that she just keeps increasing that number just about every episode she mentions it. It's funny stuff.

Oh, and on the first point, yup.

Yeah, it wasn't the best. It was okay though.
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Following the plot was one of the harder things about the dream episode, from what I remember.
 
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madp

The Light of El Cantare
cajunator said:
Honestly i enjoyed the karuta tournament parts the most. Frankly i didnt care much if the relationship stuff worked or not.
The show pretty much ended like i expected it to and i was more than satisfied with it.
I suppose i had different reasons to like the show and different expectations for the outcome so it worked for me.
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You're a sports guy, I can see how you might find the karuta to be your primary point of interest. Oddly, even though I have as big a disinterest in sports and sports anime as it gets, I still found the competitive karuta aspect to be interesting in the beginning because the competitors reminded me of the assortment of nerds and freaks that I did things like competitive quiz bowl and mock trial with in high school. It was really only when karuta took over the whole show that I started having a problem with it.

It looks like we were watching for different reasons so yeah, we'll leave it at that.

firehawk12 said:
I suppose one other factor is that if you treat the manga as a series of storyboards, you basically have half the work done already. :p

It's probably some kind of industry thing where people keep doing the same thing because it's the only thing they know how to do.

All of this is to say that I have no idea who to point the finger at, I suppose. Let's just blame Japan, as we always do!
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Hey Japan, you hear that? You ruined Chihayafuru. You should be ashamed.

P.S. buy more Nichibros BDs, you bastards!

petethepanda said:
Never followed along with any anime seasons as they're airing. I have to look into it. Been looking for some stuff to watch.
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Congrats, you picked the absolute best season possible to start following anime weekly.
 
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Unknown Soldier

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Fate/Stay Night 10:

10 years have passed, but Ilya's still super-moe. Super-duper-mega-moe. I'm okay with this.

I'm trying to figure out if the fact that hardly any of the Masters being proper mages in this go around of the Holy Grail War is supposed to be ironic or not. Only Rin and Assassin's Master seem to actually be mages. Shirou, Shinji, and Ilya are all not mages. As mage wars go, this one seems kind of crappy, especially compared to the previous one being covered in F/Z where everybody is busy spamming their magecrafts at each other.
 
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madp

The Light of El Cantare
Brazil said:
Well, the OVA's supposed to be the retelling of that arc through Misao's perspective, so that's not odd at all.

But I can't add anything to this post. The OVA was severely lackluster.
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And yet, it didn't really feel like Misao's perspective as much as it did a retelling that turns her into a sidekick for Kenshin.
It's fine either way, Misao is <3 <3 <3
 
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Ultimadrago said:
Will they be terribly confusing for me if I have no clue how to play mahjong?
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The only thing you really need to know about mahjong for that show is that Koizumi's signature move is actually really hard to accomplish is the real game and yet he spams it during like every single match he plays. That's how GAR Koizumi is.
 
Ultimadrago

Ultimadrago

Member
A Black Falcon said:
Among the main four? Hmm, I'd probably say Hercule is first, Sherlock second, Nero third, and Cordelia fourth.
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Sweet. I think mine is probably Nero, Sherlock, Hercule, Cordelia.

A Black Falcon said:
Yeah, those IQ numbers ...
they keep increasing. Go back to the first time and you'll see that she just keeps increasing that number just about every episode she mentions it. It's funny stuff.
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Yeah, they
even increase it in the Special episode after the season.
It was a nice touch.


A Black Falcon said:
Following the plot was one of the harder things about the dream episode, from what I remember.
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Yeah, it was
just Resplendence gone mad.

Articalys said:
The fourth season of Hidamari Sketch has been named and dated: Hidamari Sketch x Honeycomb will be airing this October.
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And I've only watched the first episode...I will not survive the sugar!
 
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KuwabaraTheMan

Banned
Space Brothers 1:
Strong first episode. Muta is set up really well, and there's very good direction and pacing here. The narration worked great, and the story seems pretty interesting. The setup is definitely different from just about everything else, and I'm really looking forward to seeing where things go. The flashbacks to the brothers as kids were well used, too.
 
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