David Incorporated Esq.
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I'm actually going to be building one up for 944 spec the end of this year, maybe a little earlier. I'm super excited.
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I'm actually going to be building one up for 944 spec the end of this year, maybe a little earlier. I'm super excited.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Lots of people do that and it works really well. Personally I wouldn't want to because I'm a bit of a purist and the American V8 rumble just doesn't sound right coming out of a 944.
944 listing in my extended area.
Wish I had any kind of income right now. wtf at the Apple logo though.
Also, weird thing happened earlier. A friend of mine offered to straight up swap me his 03 RSX for my 92 Civic Si. I was seriously considering it until I noticed the word that kills my boner every single time. Automatic.
edit: But then again I could make the trade, flip the RSX, and get something else with the money. Hmm.
Wish I had any kind of income right now. wtf at the Apple logo though.
Also, weird thing happened earlier. A friend of mine offered to straight up swap me his 03 RSX for my 92 Civic Si. I was seriously considering it until I noticed the word that kills my boner every single time. Automatic.
edit: But then again I could make the trade, flip the RSX, and get something else with the money. Hmm.
PjotrStroganov
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Aston Martin design, the English equivalent of Porsche.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
I like how the license plate is blanked out in every picture but this one. TT ORION!!
WTF indeed at the Apple logo.
Car looks scratched all to hell too.
Get rid of those blue accents and I might start to like it. A bit too avant garde for my taste but I'll probably come around to it in a few years.
WTF indeed at the Apple logo.
Well the posting is in San Francisco Craigslist.
Agreed, the accents are gaudy. Hopefully thats just conceptcaritis and not an indication of what they want to do with the production models
I really like the shape and overall look to it though.
Did I post about what happened to my bumper skirt?
I already replaced it a month ago because the old one was falling apart. The new one, however, decided to split in half, and do this:
And it took the fender line with it. I think the vibrations somehow made the fender screws pop off, heh. Thankfully the fender liner is still intact and I just need new screws (ordered) to put it back on -- otherwise it would have been $75 ouch. I'm gonna wait a little bit to put another bumper skirt on, because I don't feel like spending another $75-100 to replace it (I did the install myself).
Although, some other good news. I put the OEM wheels back on. My car came with some ugly ass Enkei LS-5s which I hate from day one. I have been waiting to get the OEMs back on (which I quite like) for three years after buying a set in great condition from a buddy of mine for cheap:
Much better. My wheel alignment is hopefully fixed, too now, so it will stop chewing through tires like crazy. It was completely toed out.
I already replaced it a month ago because the old one was falling apart. The new one, however, decided to split in half, and do this:
And it took the fender line with it. I think the vibrations somehow made the fender screws pop off, heh. Thankfully the fender liner is still intact and I just need new screws (ordered) to put it back on -- otherwise it would have been $75 ouch. I'm gonna wait a little bit to put another bumper skirt on, because I don't feel like spending another $75-100 to replace it (I did the install myself).
Although, some other good news. I put the OEM wheels back on. My car came with some ugly ass Enkei LS-5s which I hate from day one. I have been waiting to get the OEMs back on (which I quite like) for three years after buying a set in great condition from a buddy of mine for cheap:
Much better. My wheel alignment is hopefully fixed, too now, so it will stop chewing through tires like crazy. It was completely toed out.
No, black. You can see them in the first picture. If they were chrome I wouldn't have bought the car. I'm not even being facetious.
The silver studs made them so bad. At least it was a 5 spoke design and the dirtier the rims got the less visible the studs were... which is why I never cleaned the wheels hahaha.
BoobPhysics101
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False. LSx V8 rumble sounds good coming out of ANY car.
ClassyPenguin
Banned
I just don't like it when rotary's are swapped for the LS engines. I mean, that's the soul of the car.
brap brap brap
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BoobPhysics101
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Rotaries are garbage. If that's the soul, it should go straight to hell. Who wants an unreliable piece of shit engine for a car that you want to drive hard? It's all novelty factor.
LSx is reliable, makes far more power and torque, sounds better, and is just plain BETTER.
/rotary hate
ClassyPenguin
Banned
But it hurts so good!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO1DUZUUBEs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO1DUZUUBEs
Considering that being the only company to put faith in the rotary engine has given up on it. I'd say good riddance. Also I'm no purist, I don't believe in keep things the way they came for the hell of it. Doesn't mean I don't appreciate a well kept classic FD that is beautifully modded. Just means I don't have feelings about putting American motors in my Japanese cars.
If I were to get a FD RX7 it'd be for the platform and the sexy looks of it.
BoobPhysics101
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Agreed 100% on everything. An FD with an LSx swap is one of the greatest cars ever made. Puts the rotary to shame.
shinshoryuken
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The rebuttal wankel people have is that "rotary have less displacement compare to piston blah blah blah" then you remind them how crappy there MPG is....then you laugh.
I can't think of any pros that a rotary have compare to a piston motor, especially an LSx engine.....
Agreed!
Never driven a car with a rotary engine, so just playing devil's advocate here, but isn't the appeal in that the engine revs freely and has a high redline?
David Incorporated Esq.
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Counterpoint: Crossplane V8s are just kind of boring. They're loud and fun but it's a blue collar on steroids kind of sound. I think my main gripe is that they're far too common to be exciting.
Edit: I realize my opinion may offend; have this classic video of pure testosterone to make amends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Thomd4BQg&feature=related
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
WOOD
33-Hit-Combo
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It uses fewer parts (making it lighter, smaller etc. easier to package) and there are less parts that move as it doesn't need to translate linear motion making it easier to rev (it is still inefficient though due to low bhp/actual displacement).
shinshoryuken
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It revs but no torque.
Yes it has less moving parts and actual parts but its less reliable..that doesn't benefit the owners, just the manufactures.
The thing also burns oil a lot, so you will always need to check oil levels. The engine is just like the time bomb, its not really worth the effort vs a piston engine.
WOOD
Stunning.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Fisker deserves mad props for bringing straight up concept car-like design to the streets. I'd totally buy one if:
a) Actually needed a new car (doh)
b) Fisker weren't a novice car maker fiddling around with the latest tech. They already had to recall some battery packs and God knows what else is going to pop during the next few years.
a) Actually needed a new car (doh)
b) Fisker weren't a novice car maker fiddling around with the latest tech. They already had to recall some battery packs and God knows what else is going to pop during the next few years.
DonasaurusRex
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i like the lines but the front...ugh i keep seeing the monopoly man....
33-Hit-Combo
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Doesn't the reliability issue (and oil consumption) just boil down to apex seals? Which they still haven't overcome.
There was an article the other day that they did indeed find a solution for the apex seals.
Mazdas still working on a new rotary engine, and rumblings are that they might be overcoming the oil consumption, bad gas mileage and low torque.
The power output can easily be fixed with a turbo. I am curious to see if that ever pans out.
BoobPhysics101
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S2000's engine does that. 458 Italia's does that. E46 M3/E92 M3's engines do that. Tons of other Honda motors do that. Rotary is completely unnecessary.
Mattlikewhoa
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Why was the Supra a very un-Japanese car? It's as un-Japanese as the GT-R then, because while the Supra wasn't light, it had good power from a 6 (not to mention a disgusting bottom-end), TT, and it actually handled incredibly well in it's time and even by today's standards.
You can make lots of HP while handling well and at a respectable price. Look at the Mustang Boss. I'd like a Supra equivalent with good styling, Targa, and a nicer interior plz.
I'll wait on the "86" to see what aftermarket support is there for what I want. I'm going to suspect to make some bigger numbers that there's going to be a need for better internals, considering it has an absurd CR at 12.5:1. Sure, you can throw some low single digit turbo or SC on it, but is it going to handle that? Also, they did a pretty good job limiting tire sizes despite "rolling the fenders". You'll be forced into a stagger, and even then it'll be limited.
As far as I've read and seen in my Japanese car magazines, the Japanese aftermarket is rather excited over it. For the last few issues, there's been some type of article about it, or news that some developers are working on producing parts.
ClassyPenguin
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It depends on the car. 2006+ RX8's solved a lot of the reliability issues. NA rx7 FC's and the first gen RX7 were pretty reliable. My bro had on with 200,000 miles before he sold it.
Pretty cool, how a professional photographer used Forza to prep his photoshoot for a Lamborghini Aventador:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8w638djAPyA#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8w638djAPyA#!
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Hey guys, did I miss anything?
So, I hear that pics of the new Viper are already on the net.
So, I hear that pics of the new Viper are already on the net.
Spaceman Spiff
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Some are saying those leaked shots are from Forza 4. Sure looks like it.
In any case, I'm kinda underwhelmed. The GTS coupe still remains the pinnacle of Viper design; they ought to just bring that back. Maybe this new one will look better when we get a proper look tomorrow.
In any case, I'm kinda underwhelmed. The GTS coupe still remains the pinnacle of Viper design; they ought to just bring that back. Maybe this new one will look better when we get a proper look tomorrow.
twinturbo2
butthurt Heat fan
Jalopnik seems convinced that the new Viper will be added to Forza Motorsport 4, since it looks like game footage.
I, for one, won't complain about this Italian American in my video game.
EDIT: there's a rumor going on that the new Viper will be a free download for Forza 4. Just putting that out there.
I, for one, won't complain about this Italian American in my video game.
EDIT: there's a rumor going on that the new Viper will be a free download for Forza 4. Just putting that out there.
ClassyPenguin
Banned
Man the only reason I want a 360 is for Forza.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RXNtTvM-_lE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RXNtTvM-_lE
Spoken like a true nub.
-Rotaries are just as reliable as long as you don't do stupid ricey shit to them and grenade them. Yes, they're not very strong against detonation, but enough detonation will wreck any engine.
-Has an LSx ever won LeMans?
-20B rotary put out 300hp and 300 torques from the factory. Not bad for 2.0L.
Better? HAHAHAHAPUSHRODS.
Reports of them giving up are sketchy and conflicting. If they do give up, it'll only be because they don't have the money to be the *only* company funding rotary development.
How far were piston engines 40 or 50 years into their development? Right, a V8 was making a healthy 65hp out of 3.6L. The piston engine has had orders of magnitude more development dollars flung at it, of course it'll be more advanced, but in some ways, even it can't rival a rotary.
The only piston engines you'll find that are as smooth are Inline 6s and V12s. How many people make I-6s on affordable cars anymore?
No doubt the LS engine is a nice one, but it doesn't belong everywhere. This LS fanboyism reminds me of the Honda B Engine fanboys around the turn of the century.
Has plenty of torque when you add a turbo, side port exhaust helps. For a long time, the exhaust ports were peripheral, and while this gave it a lot of exhaust flow, that can hurt torque. The 13B renesis improved on that somewhat.
Having less parts doesn't hurt the owners, either. What went on my RX-7 was nothing to do with the engine, but the ignition system. Never had a single engine problem.
The rotary engine burns oil by design. Since it doesn't have piston skirts or a semi-closed oiling system like a piston engine, the engine injects oil into the combustion chambers to cool and lubricate things. Yes, it will burn oil, but nothing that you wouldn't regain during oil changes anyway. And seriously? You should be checking oil levels on ANY car regularly.
Circle T
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I don't know about you, but I think the Corvette team has done pretty well in the last ~10 years. They may not have won LeMans outright, but they have a lot of class victories in all the big races. Plus, the engines in their class have MUCH more in common with a road engine than anything used in the GT1/LMP1 class. Not knocking the rotary, as the 787 was a monster of a machine, but the small block Chevy V8 is probably the most storied family of engines in motor racing history.
Pretty much - but again, not a reliability issue. I'll explain.
the 13B engine has pretty much always had 2mm apex seals. In a piston engine, when you get detonation, this force is absorbed by the piston face, and into the connecting rods and crank because there's really nowhere else to go. Also the heads, I guess.
In a rotary, since everything is so free-spinning, as a way to put it, the only place for the force of detonation is to hit the rotor faces, down to the ends, which are the apex seals, and the weak points. It's like breaking a pencil at the tip of the lead, not in the middle.
Anyway, there have been services to mill the rotors to accept 3mm seals for over a decade now, and while this doesn't solve the problem, all racing engines did this because it WAS a big improvement in detonation resistance.
If Mazda has solved this problem, I don't know how, if this was part of it or not, but it is good news.
I should note that really the ONLY people that have ever had seals go are those who were coaxing crazy amounts of boost on their turbos, or putting intake/exhaust/etc on their engines without tuning the ECU for the extra airflow.
On older computers, they couldn't account for the extra airflow, so the a/f mixture in the chambers would go lean, and bam - detonation and broken seals.
No, you're completely right. I really have no gripes with the engine, but I will bring up pushrods whenever someone slams a rotary using is as an example.
I gotta say again though, how much development money has gone to either? I'd bet much more for the V8. This doesn't necessarily excuse any of the rotary's faults (many of which are user error), but it certainly is a factor. It's like, of course a 14 year old will beat up an 8 year old in a fight.
I just think there's A LOT of misinformation and misunderstanding of the rotary, and fanboys certainly don't help things.
2014 Chevy Impala debut:
Autoblog
Better than expected! Though it looks like they pinched the (hideous) Mercedes steering wheel from the current C/E class.
EDIT: Just thought I'd add, Chevy's new corporate face is much much better than the previous one. Here's a better link from GMIN with more pictures
Autoblog
Better than expected! Though it looks like they pinched the (hideous) Mercedes steering wheel from the current C/E class.
EDIT: Just thought I'd add, Chevy's new corporate face is much much better than the previous one. Here's a better link from GMIN with more pictures
2014 Chevy Impala debut:
Autoblog
Better than expected! Though it looks like they pinched the (hideous) Mercedes steering wheel from the current C/E class.
EDIT: Just thought I'd add, Chevy's new corporate face is much much better than the previous one. Here's a better link from GMIN with more pictures
Man that interior is goddamn hideous
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