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NFL Off-Season |OT2| My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Draft

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Fox318

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Milchjon

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So, if I wanted to get tickets for a game:

Where's the best place to buy them?
How much are they usually?
Anything else I should/shouldn't do?
 
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Kave_Man

come in my shame circle
I honestly think the Browns will end up taking Richardson at #4. Only way I see them not doing that is if the Vikings don't take Kalil at #3. Then we will most likely pounce on him.

I was reading and a lot of people seem to believe Kalil can be moved to the right side. If we took him boners up, Joe Thomas and Matt Kalil holdin git down. McCoy would have all the time in the world to underthrow our receivers and throw a timely interception.

But really I've been convinced after all my reading the Browns are taking Richardson at #4 then a WR with the #22 pick. Anything after that I'm not educated enough in football to really know.
 
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Wes

venison crêpe
NFL Exec: 'Half of the teams in the top 10 are trying to trade out'

Kave_Man said:
I honestly think the Browns will end up taking Richardson at #4. Only way I see them not doing that is if the Vikings don't take Kalil at #3. Then we will most likely pounce on him.

I was reading and a lot of people seem to believe Kalil can be moved to the right side. If we took him boners up, Joe Thomas and Matt Kalil holdin git down. McCoy would have all the time in the world to underthrow our receivers and throw a timely interception.

But really I've been convinced after all my reading the Browns are taking Richardson at #4 then a WR with the #22 pick. Anything after that I'm not educated enough in football to really know.
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It does indeed seem like Richardson is the pick unless an incredibly tempting trade offer comes in. Whilst I think it's too high for a RB, McCoy played decent when he had a good running game to support him.

The problem comes at #22. If you take a WR there (Wright or Hill) then we have no RT as the talent drop in OTs from 1st round and beyond is quite large it seems. Ideally Martin falls to us there. The gulf in class between WRs in the late 1st/early 2nd is negligible compared to OTs. I'd be quite happy taking Randle, Jeffrey or Sanu at #37.

Then again, it's hard to say no to pulling the trigger on selecting Richardson/Wright.
 
Goro Majima

Goro Majima

Kitty Genovese Member
I'm not sure if the Browns would take Kalil at #3 if the Vikings trade out. I think Richardson is the better pick when you already have Joe Thomas. It hasn't been all that hard for other teams to find good RTs in the 2nd or even 3rd round (if not later!).

If Richardson really is the best thing since AP, then if you're the Browns with your horrible, horrible offense, you have to take him regardless of the current market value for running backs.

I definitely don't think you take Tannehill at 3 though. Next year you have Matt Barkley, Tyler Wilson (who outplayed Tannehill when they played against each other), and some others who might be just as good if not better.
 
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Kave_Man

come in my shame circle
See all of this is why I the draft is my Superbowl. Look at all this discussion about the Browns!

Once the season starts we won't even get half of this.
 
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Dutch Gronk

Banned
yankeehater said:
I disagree especially now that we dont even know if AP will ever come back like he was. AP was a better pure runner, but McCoy is a much better pass catcher.
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I really hope he is able to come back in full force, would be really sad if he can't. Seeing him dominate and running over people is so much fun.
 
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Slo

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I'm pretty doubtful that AP will ever be the same. He's not a patient runner, and it's 50/50 whether or not he'll actually run to the designed hole or not. He always got by with his ridiculous explosiveness, over the top aggression, and amazing lateral cuts.

He doesn't seem like a guy that's going to adapt his game into becoming a technician and a grinder.

Apparently he's ahead of schedule with his rehab, so who knows. Maybe he's enough of a genetic freak to recover 100%. Who knows.

RIP AP - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTPQUKwqeWY
 
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BlackGhost

Banned
wienke said:
I'm not sure if the Browns would take Kalil at #3 if the Vikings trade out. I think Richardson is the better pick when you already have Joe Thomas. It hasn't been all that hard for other teams to find good RTs in the 2nd or even 3rd round (if not later!).

If Richardson really is the best thing since AP, then if you're the Browns with your horrible, horrible offense, you have to take him regardless of the current market value for running backs.

I definitely don't think you take Tannehill at 3 though. Next year you have Matt Barkley, Tyler Wilson (who outplayed Tannehill when they played against each other), and some others who might be just as good if not better.
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Yeah I think if Vikings pass on kalil it'll give the browns a Lot of trade options, we can trade a couple spots and still get a Floyd or Richardson
 
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Wellington

BAAAALLLINNN'
LJ11 said:
Some people think Richardson is the best player in the draft, respected ones at that.

Are backs like F.Jackson, Foster, Forte, Rice not first round talents, are they not premier players that will handle the ball 30 times a game (run/pass) and contribute about 75 to 100 plays in pass pro? They were drafted later or undrafted, chalk it up to evaluation and late development, whatever the fuck, these guys are valuable players.

Keep the myth going, running backs aren't worth shit, blah blah blah. The position has evovled and so are the needed skills. Run, catch, pass pro, not just grind it out on the ground. An all purpose back is worth plenty in this league especially with the proliferation of four wide and single back sets.

Everyone is too good for the Browns, team is fine as it is, fuck adding talent, trade down perpetually. Trade out of the league.
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I'm late but I wanted to comment on this as well while bringing up something I said earlier this offseason - the whole Mario Williams/Arian Foster debate was a joke IMO. people saying that Foster's production was already on the team via Ben Tate are also a joke. A guy like Foster (or Forte, or Rice, or Jackson) does so much for a team on the offense via their abilities to catch the ball and run protect it's hard to measure in just pure rushing yardage and receptions.

I'll always refer back to Bradshaw's game against the Bills this past season.

And of course, the catch:

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That shit doesn't show up on a stat-line.
 
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Lonestar

I joined for Erin Brockovich discussion
darkside31337 said:
Richardson top 5 pick makes no sense. At all.

Running backs are almost never ever worth that kind of pick. He's not even a true monster talent at the position either. I really don't get it but some team is going to do it. If you're drafting in the top 5 you have some other actual pressing needs to address.
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Grover Cleveland

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Bowser said:
Panthers and Steve Smif agree to 3-year extension, no terms yet.
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Well-deserved. He's on the tail end of his career now, but he's still got something left in the tank (as last year showed). Hopefully, he can take on an elder statesman role and start mentoring the young guys a little more. (Instead of, you know, hitting them over the head with helmets)

Plus, he's one of the few that can say "I had a bounty put on me by the Saints, and I survived."
 
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darkside31337

Tomodachi wa Mahou
Lonestar said:
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Sorry the value of running backs has historically been overvalued, and with the way the game is played today it's more true than ever. It's hilarious people keep mentioning backs in here who were late round draft picks or completely undrafted, it's a horrible argument at justifying spending a top 5 pick on the most expendable position in the NFL.

Running the football in most scenarios is a net negative. The best offenses in football have replaceable scrubs at RB for a reason, because running on a down that isn't short yardage or goal line is playing sub-optimal football in today's NFL.

The Browns have a lot of holes to fill. If you really think your team can afford to burn a top 5 pick on a running back instead of addressing a more pressing need then you're drinking way too much kool-aid.

The best justification to taking a back early on is if you are getting one that helps the team in the passing game. I don't know what scouts think of his pass catching skills, I was never blown away by that part of his game watching it in college. If it's not there then it's not worth taking him that early.
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Wrayfield

Member
Milchjon said:
So, if I wanted to get tickets for a game:

Where's the best place to buy them?
How much are they usually?
Anything else I should/shouldn't do?
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My personal experience, if you don't know anyone with a season ticket, official ticket booth (as unlikely as it seems) or StubHub (try to wait as long as you can before the game, some people bail early when they have lots of tickets and just want face value or at least not the outrageous amount they begin with).

That's the experience I made with NBA games just a few weeks ago. Not sure if it works equally well for NFL stuff. It sure as hell depends on the matchup.
 
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FrenchMovieTheme

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Wellington said:
I'm late but I wanted to comment on this as well while bringing up something I said earlier this offseason - the whole Mario Williams/Arian Foster debate was a joke IMO. people saying that Foster's production was already on the team via Ben Tate are also a joke. A guy like Foster (or Forte, or Rice, or Jackson) does so much for a team on the offense via their abilities to catch the ball and run protect it's hard to measure in just pure rushing yardage and receptions.

I'll always refer back to Bradshaw's game against the Bills this past season.

And of course, the catch:

foster.gif


That shit doesn't show up on a stat-line.
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There is only one franchise that can have "the catch" and it isn't the sorry ass texans
 
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Wrayfield

Member
darkside31337 said:
Sorry the value of running backs has historically been overvalued, and with the way the game is played today it's more true than ever. It's hilarious people keep mentioning backs in here who were late round draft picks or completely undrafted, it's a horrible argument at justifying spending a top 5 pick on the most expendable position in the NFL.

Running the football in most scenarios is a net negative. The best offenses in football have replaceable scrubs at RB for a reason, because running on a down that isn't short yardage or goal line is playing sub-optimal football in today's NFL.

The Browns have a lot of holes to fill. If you really think your team can afford to burn a top 5 pick on a running back instead of addressing a more pressing need then you're drinking way too much kool-aid.

The best justification to taking a back early on is if you are getting one that helps the team in the passing game. I don't know what scouts think of his pass catching skills, I was never blown away by that part of his game watching it in college. If it's not there then it's not worth taking him that early.
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If your RB is involved in your passing game heavily a la Forte and your 2nd stringer's can't catch shit, there is some value in an allrounder kinda guy. Not sure it's 1st round though. You could argue you need better pass protection and better actual receivers, but that's depending on the scheme, really. And a lot of that stuff you can do with TE packages, so there are ways around it, I guess.

That said, it's only logical to suggest Dolphins will draft Richardson, right before trading up to 3rd... :(
 
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BannedEpisode

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Im not trying to be a homer but the only back I can think of in recent memory that was worth a high pick was AP. Even then, there are a number of players that can put similar results despite being a level or two below him in talent.

There are too many backs of great value in later rounds.
 
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BlackGhost

Banned
darkside31337 said:
Sorry the value of running backs has historically been overvalued, and with the way the game is played today it's more true than ever. It's hilarious people keep mentioning backs in here who were late round draft picks or completely undrafted, it's a horrible argument at justifying spending a top 5 pick on the most expendable position in the NFL.

Running the football in most scenarios is a net negative. The best offenses in football have replaceable scrubs at RB for a reason, because running on a down that isn't short yardage or goal line is playing sub-optimal football in today's NFL.

The Browns have a lot of holes to fill. If you really think your team can afford to burn a top 5 pick on a running back instead of addressing a more pressing need then you're drinking way too much kool-aid.

The best justification to taking a back early on is if you are getting one that helps the team in the passing game. I don't know what scouts think of his pass catching skills, I was never blown away by that part of his game watching it in college. If it's not there then it's not worth taking him that early.
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http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/03/20/cosell-talks-the-running-back-conundrum/#more-7925. This pretty much sums up what I want to say, but at the same time if we pass on Richardson I'll be happy as long as we take a rb in the first 2 -3 rounds I'm pretty high on Martin
 
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jakncoke

Banned
Bored, So i decided to look at how top 15 drafted rb's have faired. Will go back until i am bored of doing this.

2010; CJ Spiller 9th 844 rushing yards 4td / 426 receiving 3tds
2010; Ryan Mathews 12th 1769 rushing yards 13td/ 600 receiving 0 tds
2009; Knowshon Moreno 12th 1905 rushing yards 12 tds / 686 receiving 6tds
2008; Johnathan Stewart 13th 3500 rushing yards 35 tds/ 702 receiving 3tds
2008; Darren McFadden 4th 2627 rushing yards 16tds / 1191 4tds
2007; Marshawn Lynch 12th 4542 rushing yards 35 tds / 1020 2 tds
2007; Adrian Peterson 7th 6752 rushing yards 64 tds / 1309 3 tds
2006; Reggie Bush 2nd 3176 rushing yards 23 tds / 2438 13 tds
2005; Caddilac Williams 5th 4038 rushing yards 21 tds / 1002 4tds
2005; Cedric Benson 4th 5769 rushing yards 31 tds / 736 4tds
2005; Ronnie Brown 2nd 4951 rushing yards 37 tds / 1491 4tds
2001; LaDainian Tomlinson 5th 13684 rushing yards 145 tds/ 4772 17tds
2000; Ron Dayne 11th 3722 rushing yards 28 tds / 340 0 tds
2000; Thomas Jones 7th 10591 rushing yards 68 tds / 2023 3tds
2000; Jamal Lewis 5th 10607 rushing yards 58 tds/ 1879 4 tds
1999; Ricky Williams 5th 10009 rushing yards 66 tds / 2606 8tds
1999; Edgerrin James 4th 12246 rushing yards 80 tds / 3364 11 tds
1998; Fred Taylor 9th 11695 rushing yards 66 tds / 2384 8 tds
1998; Curtis Enis 5th 1497 rushing yards 4 tds / 428 2 tds
1997; Warrick Dunn 12th 10967 rushing yards 49 tds / 4349 15 tds
 
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