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The non-Pixar animated movie HATE thread
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It really isn't. It's not on par with Pixar's best, obviously, but it gets an unjustified amount of hate. It may be a fairly by-the-numbers Doc Hollywood retelling, but it does a good job with the themes of personal responsibility, seeing the importance of people unlike ourselves, and preserving and valuing the past for the good things it offered. I wouldn't call it great, but it certainly isn't anywhere close to terrible. Mildly above-average, maybe, which I suppose could qualify as "terrible" by Pixar standards, but not by film in general standards.
Cars 2, though, looked like such a ridiculous cash-in hack job that I still haven't bothered to watch it. So far I haven't run into anyone willing to contradict that impression. It remains the only Pixar film I haven't seen, and I honestly don't know if that will change any time soon.
The Iron Giant is better than anything Pixar has done. How to Train Your Dragon and Kung Fu Panda are as good as anything Pixar has done. Conveniently the gif in the OP makes no mention of Cars+2. Then we can get into the classic Disney films going back to Snow White, Pinocchio, etc... so don't be hatin'!!
jump_button
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Shrek 1 and 2 are ok but then no stop it now and all overs can burn in hell
MisterHero
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It really makes a difference when the production has custom music
How the Grinch Stole Christmas is a classic because of this
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
For me this movie is a Top Tier animated movie, right next to pixars best.
Soundtrack - Awesome
Animation - Awesome
BluRay - Awesome
Story - Awesome
3D - Awesome
! - Awesome
Tangled is pretty high up, Despicable Me while i enjoyed it wasnt quit up to snuff with top tier pixar and how to train your dragon:
Aaron Strife
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CGI films other than Pixar?
I agree with the OP's premise that most of them are terrible.
However I think Dreamworks is on a real upswing. Kung Fu Panda 2 and How to Train Your Dragon were fantastic. Also thought Megamind and Puss in Boots were decent, but in the same way that the original Shrek was good. Though maybe a bit more.
Madagascar needs to die in a fire. I know, what would Ben Stiller and Chris Rock do without getting millions of dollars for sitting in a recording booth for 3 hours.
I agree with the OP's premise that most of them are terrible.
However I think Dreamworks is on a real upswing. Kung Fu Panda 2 and How to Train Your Dragon were fantastic. Also thought Megamind and Puss in Boots were decent, but in the same way that the original Shrek was good. Though maybe a bit more.
Madagascar needs to die in a fire. I know, what would Ben Stiller and Chris Rock do without getting millions of dollars for sitting in a recording booth for 3 hours.
SCULLIBUNDO
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You're watching the wrong non-Pixar movies, bro.
There was only one thing that bothered me about Dragon and that was the vastly different accents between the two viking generations. The adults all had rough Braveheart Scottish accents while the kids all sounded like American high school students. It didn't ruin the movie at all but it was something that stuck with me after I watched it.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Hahaha, you know i never even thought about that until now.....you have completely ruined the movie for me.
Are you happy?!?
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Fixed.
Ratatouille is like Pixar's most mature movie. Swap it for Finding Nemo and I agree with that list, they've certainly made some crappy movies.
Non-Pixar are even worse, I can only think of Kung Fu Panda that wasn't ruined by an impromptu 'street dance' scene.
GhostWriter24
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That's dynamite. Now explain why "Pixar is terrible" or your declaration will be judged as hollow as the head from whence it came.
Wall-E is awesome, even with the second half not quite living up to the first half. Better then UP where it was 7 minutes of good and the rest bad.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Animation-Imp
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This is a gem, truly.
GhostWriter24
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The ignorance in this thread is truly staggering.
How is it mature? I have dreams. I have a passion for certain things. Cooking is not one of them but lets say I am intended to relate to it metaphorically.
It does not change that fact that I hate the main character, the supporting character, the love interest, the villian... The situation, and the way they treat those around them. Oh yeah and it is not funny, or heart warming, or in anyway relateable.
Fuck that movie. I love everything else Bird has done so I will stop being a dick right now. But that movie is shit. I am stopping being a dick now.
Agent Unknown
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Wall-E and Up are tied for my fave Pixar movies so I find your opinion 50% awesome and 50% repugnant.
And speaking of my OP, to quote one of Carl's best lines from UP: 'Now we're going to cross this valley and we're going to do it without breaking out into any rap songs.'
GhostWriter24
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This argument toward UP is also pretty asinine. I've heard it before on these boards and it's absolutely ludicrous.
Positive or negative?
GhostWriter24
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The "Up sucks after the first seven minutes" argument has about as much validity as a Peter Molyneaux promise.
On the topic of Disney's past sins, I will never really forgive them for so completely mangling The Black Cauldron. That movie can rot in the Disney vaults for all I care. Nobody who read could possibly have been involved in that movie, I'm convinced.
The thing that bothered me is that nobody ever bothers to make Vikings sound like Vikings. Why did they have Scottish accents if they were Norsemen? Why do Thor and Loki have old-timey-englishy accents if they're Norse Gods?
The thing that bothered me is that nobody ever bothers to make Vikings sound like Vikings. Why did they have Scottish accents if they were Norsemen? Why do Thor and Loki have old-timey-englishy accents if they're Norse Gods?
I didn't relate to the hero or the job, but I liked how it made its point about passion and artistic appreciation. There's very little corny dialogue, no obvious joke-bait comic relief sidekick, no pop culture references. It's a very solid film that happens to be about a rat that can cook. If you've ever criticised something before, you should be able to relate to it.
There's also no villain in it, which automatically puts it above almost anything else from Pixar. It's my favourite movie from them without a doubt.
UP descended into typical-adventure-time with a comedy fat kid and comedy dog and tacked-on villain for the cute old protagonist to fight and win against. It's pure gouda executed with polish.
Not sucks, but it really falls off. It puts you at an emotional high, where this guy has lost the love of his life and his dream, and then a cub scout shows up and they chase a bird.
I found the character design of Lou pretty bland though. Beautiful hair, but boring face.
Pixar became pretty 'stuck' with their character design model after The Incredibles, if you ask me. Both The Incredibles and Ratatouille have character design that are very memorable. Definitely thanks to the influence of Brad Bird though. Heck, some characters of The Incredibles look like they came straight out of The Iron Giant (The Warner Bros. animation by Brad Bird)
GraveRobberX
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Do not watch Cloudy with an empty stomach
Oh the grumbles in my tummy of delicious foods shown =/
Oh the grumbles in my tummy of delicious foods shown =/
I sort of understand the passion for this film. I think it is one of those that you have to connect with based on your own experiences or it does not quite have enough fantasy to entertain you. Like many things, I just cannot connect with it. I actually do not hate the film, I just hate that so many people can love it while I am left in the dark.
GhostWriter24
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That's an extremely crude way of describing the storyline, and I don't know why I'm going to even try to instill any wisdom since it will likely be brushed off like most other things on the internet, but here goes.
The story is about a man keeping a promise to his deceased wife and a lonely, nature-obsessed child who enters his life by way of happenstance -- a child that he and his wife never got the chance to have. They share an adventure and Carl comes to the realization that life is worth living even once the ones you loved have left you.
If you're describing this film in the rudimentary terms you said above, I'd really hate to see your viewpoint of some of the other greatest animated films of our time.
I was reducing it to its lowest level for the sake of a joke. I get the intent. The ride was not worthy of the idea though. The movie is deserving of a huge amount of praise because of that opening, just as Toy Story 2 which I really think is very bad film should get some props for having one of the most emotional segments I have ever seen in any film.
The journey was not as compelling as the idea or the theme.
Animation-Imp
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There's more to animation than pixar though.
I still feel 2d has a flair that has never been surpassed by current 3d animated movies.
Rango and a couple of Pixar's films come close though.
Some of my absolute favourites:
Pinnochio (Disney's clssic masterpiece)
The Lion King of course,
The emperor's new groove,
Les triplettes de Belville,
L'illusionist,
Persepolis,
Roger Rabbit (the last animated movie without computer graphics)
just to name a few.
Also don't forget the amazing range of independant shorts and movies:
Phill Mulloy,
Don Hertzfeld,
Raoul Servais,
Jan Svankmayer,
etc...
I still feel 2d has a flair that has never been surpassed by current 3d animated movies.
Rango and a couple of Pixar's films come close though.
Some of my absolute favourites:
Pinnochio (Disney's clssic masterpiece)
The Lion King of course,
The emperor's new groove,
Les triplettes de Belville,
L'illusionist,
Persepolis,
Roger Rabbit (the last animated movie without computer graphics)
just to name a few.
Also don't forget the amazing range of independant shorts and movies:
Phill Mulloy,
Don Hertzfeld,
Raoul Servais,
Jan Svankmayer,
etc...
God this movie was amazingly gorgeous.
Sony Pictures animated movie are quite nice too.
Dreamworks produce something worth watching every now and then.
But yeah, pixar almost always equal top notch quality. They earned their fame imo.
Oh and non-Pixar Disney 3D movies really sucks hard.
Captain_Spanky
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Monster House was a great non-Pixar CGI animation
Tangled was ok.
Doctor West
Member
How to Train Your Dragon was a lot of fun and Rango was ok. Other than that, I can't think of anything else that I really enjoyed.
Despicable Me was utter trash, people only like that because of the dumb minions that was basically a rip-off of the aliens from Toy Story.
Despicable Me was utter trash, people only like that because of the dumb minions that was basically a rip-off of the aliens from Toy Story.
Akibastman
Member
I'm a big Pixar fanboy since the beginning. The first movie I saw in theater was Toy Story.
But other studios have made good CGI movies too. Here's what i think (Motion Capture movies not included).
Deamworks:
Really Good: Shrek 1 & 2.
Nice: How To Train Your Dragon, Kung Fu Panda, Over The Hedge.
Ok: Megamind, Shark Tale
Bad: Madagascar
Terrible: Antz, Madagascar 2, Shrek 3&4
Blue Sky:
Really Good: Ice Age
Ok: Ice Age 3, Horton Hears A Who, Rio
Bad: Ice Age 2
One of the worst I've seen: Robots.
Disney:
Ok: Tangled
Bad: Meet The Robinsons
Kill it with fire: Dinosaur
Other studios:
Really Good: Despicable Me
Nice: Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of The Were-Rabbit, Monster House, Planet 51
Ok: Jimmy Neutron
Bad: Star Wars: The Clone Wars
Terrible: Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
(I still don't understand the hate for Toy Story 2 & A Bug's Life. These are two of my favourites.)
Deamworks:
Really Good: Shrek 1 & 2.
Nice: How To Train Your Dragon, Kung Fu Panda, Over The Hedge.
Ok: Megamind, Shark Tale
Bad: Madagascar
Terrible: Antz, Madagascar 2, Shrek 3&4
Blue Sky:
Really Good: Ice Age
Ok: Ice Age 3, Horton Hears A Who, Rio
Bad: Ice Age 2
One of the worst I've seen: Robots.
Disney:
Ok: Tangled
Bad: Meet The Robinsons
Kill it with fire: Dinosaur
Other studios:
Really Good: Despicable Me
Nice: Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of The Were-Rabbit, Monster House, Planet 51
Ok: Jimmy Neutron
Bad: Star Wars: The Clone Wars
Terrible: Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
Akibastman
Member
That's Pixar's worst, but it's still a nice movie.
Lord British
Member
Absolutely, and it's my favourite of their output. For what is to all appearances a childrens' film to feature as its climax
a very personal revelation on the nature of criticism
Anton's flashback
As far as non-Pixar works go, the sheer hilarity of Cloudy With A Chance Of Meatballs makes it my go-to. I love that movie to death.
I also like the original Madagascar, it was quite refreshing at the time to see a CGI movie so defiantly cartoony, and there are some great gags and energy in there. Watched ten minutes of the sequel and found it asinine so I switched it off.
shanshan310
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The whole CGI style has no soul. Disney declaring it had made its last traditionally animated film was an awful move. Pixar is great, but I really dislike the animation of it, dreamworks, and every other studio that makes CG films. Its too perfect, too groomed, and sometimes heads into weird uncanny valley territory. Not a fan.
Lord British
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What do folks mean by "soul"? Is it one of those intangible things like "charm"?
Wall-E, The Incredibles and Ratatouille have layers upon layers of love and texture put into them.
Wall-E, The Incredibles and Ratatouille have layers upon layers of love and texture put into them.
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