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OXM Rumor: Halo 2 Anniversary being developed
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kittens
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If anything, it'll be Halo 4 MP.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Have you looked at major nelsons activity charts Halo:reach sits at number 5 currently.
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (it's cod)
Call of Duty: Black Ops (it's cod)
FIFA 12 (euro has been in the news and its a popular game)
Battlefield 3 (its cod for people who got bored with cod)
Halo: Reach (its in the top 5, wow ODST hurt the brand so much)
As long as they don't add multiplayer in and don't waste huge amounts of resources on it, sure why not.
And to add to the above discussion, Reach was above Battlefield for atleast a month, maybe more.
And to add to the above discussion, Reach was above Battlefield for atleast a month, maybe more.
It was a huge fan request and 343 convinced MS to let it happen. It wasn't above sales, it was for us.
Excellent, so despite CoD being split into 3 different fanbases on a single system. Microsoft's flagship brand still sits behind all of them.
Old Gimlet Eyes
Member
I hope it is a Halo 2 multiplayer remake. H2's campaign was the worst of them all and doesn't even deserve the anniversary treatment. The MP on the other hand, is the best of the series and certainly would be awesome if it got the make over treatment. I would hate to just see Halo 2 maps in Halo 4 though, which is probably what will happen.
So I just replayed the first Halo earlier this year and was entirely underwhelmed. Judging by the opinions in this thread, is it safe to just skip 2 and 3 and get to the good stuff (ODST, Reach)? I don't remember enjoying 2 or 3 all that much, but I want to play the newer stuff and felt like I needed a refresher.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
If it was Halo 3 it would be in exactly the same spot. Call of duty attracts player who are not interested in halo aswell as taking halo players it has nothing to do with the strength of the halo brand. The Call of duty brand is the strongest brand in gaming today maybe even the strongest brand in the history of gaming.
But yea Halo sits behind them so ODST must of killed Halo.
So what does this make Halo? Battlefield for people who got tired of Battlefield?
"euro has been in the news" Jesus Christ.
Pretty sure that says more about Call of Duty's insanely large fanbase than it does Halo's.
Halo 3 was going toe to toe with CoD4 for the entirety of its lifespan.
To respond to your bolded statement, please calm down and stop exaggerating. I never stated that it killed the brand, that would be quite ridiculous. I have stated that it damaged the brand, if you have read my posts. You will note that I have quite reasonably stated that Reach has done the same.
The main point I was making, is that we will never see an 'ODST 2' or a 'Reach 2'. I do not think you can deny either of these points.
Not a Jellyfish
but I am a sheep
Sorry guys they are not going to include MP, you will see classic Halo 2 maps and gametype variants in Halo 4...watch.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
What you dont think that a major football event will get people interested in playing a football game.
Jesus Christ.
Halo is played by people who like Halo.
Battlefield and CoD are very similar so much so that the fanbase heavily overlaps unlike the Halo fanbase with pretty much any other console fanbase.
CoD4 was the very start of that fan bases growth the fact halo 3 was toe to toe with it is irrelevant because that fanbase expanded with both MW2 and Blops.
This is not irrelevant, CoD's has expanded, Halo's has shrunk. CoD 4 was followed by games that resonated well with the fanbase, Halo 3 was not. Halo ODST (and Reach) damaged the Halo brand. It is quite clear that I only mentioned ODST, because that is the only game that the OP mentioned himself.
So the fact that the Halo 3 population went toe to toe with Modern Warfare and didn't dip after ODST was released helps your argument how?
Yeah, it's the soccer matches. Not the fact that FIFA has more or less retained that position for half a year.
Right, I mean, Battlefield isn't played by people who like Battlefield.
And of course there's no overlap between the most played franchises on a given console.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
You have zero evidence Halo ODST damaged the brand at all where as all the evidence refutes the claim. Reach was the biggest launch in Halo History.
The player base shrinking says more about Reach's failings and the success of Call of Duty than it does about ODST, infact it says nothing at all about ODST.
And yes the Argument that Halo 3 Stood toe to toe with Call of Duty (it didnt call of duty won out the majority of weeks after its release i checked) is irrelevant cause your talking about the smallest call of duty player base against the largest Halo 3 Player base. and Halo 3 was still on the losing end this is before ODST, which again was proceeded by the largest halo launch sales yet so if anything ODST helped the brand.
Your argument that ODST harmed the Halo brand is based on nothing you have no data or facts to back it up and virtually every statistic says otherwise or is not applicable.
I already said its a popular game but football matches are going to make people play the game more.
I never said that battlefield didnt have its own fan's just that it has alot of people who got bored of cod playing it aswell (based on personal experience)
ODST sold less than 3 by a significant margin.
ODST was the worst reviewed Bungie game in the franchise by a significant margin
Those are two facts which I believe work in my favour, the second particularly.
On a side note, whilst anecdotal. I do genuinely believe putting an overpriced expansion pack in direct competition with what was the most anticipated game of all time was a misstep. I do also believe that people will have felt ripped off with the lack of content compared to both MW2 and Halo 3.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
I really fail to see how when the biggest halo launch came after its release. If the halo brand was harmed by it we would expected to see less sales than Halo 3 but we didnt that implies the brand got stronger which directly contradicts your initial statement.
The biggest blow to halo's success has came from the failings of reach and Call of Duties success.
Like I said, Reach was marketed well. Even all of the haters here (myself included) were very optimistic about the game, it looked like it would be great. It wasn't.
We did see less sales than Halo 3.
FateBreaker
Member
Because they did it for Halo Anniversary?
Unregistered007
Banned
From what I understand, Halo CE Anniversary had terrible frame rate issues.
What the fuck are people praising shit for?
What the fuck are people praising shit for?
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Again less sales over a shorter time period. Halo 3 has sold 10 million in 5 years. Reach has sold 7 million in a under 2 years. Now its very likely that its not oing to make up 3 million sales in 3 years with the Call of Duty boom and Halo 4 coming along but they are both external factors and very valid factors.
The Halo brand now is still very strong and without evidence to back up your claims the only thing you can prove is that Halo ODST sold the least (still at a impressive 5 million) and that it was badly reviewed neither of which relate to its impact on future titles and based on the facts alone a solid argument can be made against your assumption.
Maybe on a personal level it hurt the brand for you but nothing reflects this on a larger scale and a large section of the fan base argue its one of the better single player titles.
Also to be taken into account is that its reduced sales may of come directly from the fact it lacked multiplayer and the series iconic hero.
This was very much not the experience i had.
It doesn't happen often.
And it's still an awesome and fun game to play.
Or if a game doesn't runataconstant60framespersecondit'sinstantlyapileofcrap?
Personally, I've never had a framerate drop in Anniversary that was as bad as the ones I experience fairly often in Reach.
Halo CE was one thing, the campaign is a classic, not recreating the MP was understandable, but still not acceptable. If Microsoft do a Halo 2 "anniversary" edition and don't remake the MP, the whole exercise will be a largely pointless waste of time. The Halo 2 SP campaign is a wretched piece of shit, and is probably my personal biggest ever video gaming disappointment . Even if they pretty it up with next gen graphics, Microsoft would have to pay me money to play through it again.
shinobi602
Member
FPS dropped only occasionally in a few certain areas. It was smooth the whole rest of the way for me.
GodfatherX
Member
Halo 2 is my least favorite Halo game, ODST is probably my 2nd least favorite. Keep in mind this is my favorite current franchise and still like every game, but Halo 2 was a big disappointment on release. Put that in the Reach/Halo 4 engine and a $30-40 price tag and I'm there.
As far as ODST, there are signs of greatness throughout, just ultimately falls short. The opening, plus first hour or so in the Hub/NM is amazing. But every encounter is boring, and the building like any unique features, it looks like the same section of the map copy and pasted a thousand times. The VO work is amazing (big Firefly fan) but the facial animations are horrible. The actual missions are ok to good, but none are really amazing. Perhaps the biggest example of falling short is the OST. The moody Noire tracks are amazing and a complete departure from everything done in the gaming industry, but the other pieces have no character.
Also I think Halo 2 Anniversary comes out in 2014 (has nothing to do with the 10 year anniversary and more to do with strategic planning by MS)
2012 - Halo 4
2013 - 720 launch, Ryse and other new IPs
2014 - new Epic IP, Halo 2 anniversary
2015 - Halo 5
As far as ODST, there are signs of greatness throughout, just ultimately falls short. The opening, plus first hour or so in the Hub/NM is amazing. But every encounter is boring, and the building like any unique features, it looks like the same section of the map copy and pasted a thousand times. The VO work is amazing (big Firefly fan) but the facial animations are horrible. The actual missions are ok to good, but none are really amazing. Perhaps the biggest example of falling short is the OST. The moody Noire tracks are amazing and a complete departure from everything done in the gaming industry, but the other pieces have no character.
Also I think Halo 2 Anniversary comes out in 2014 (has nothing to do with the 10 year anniversary and more to do with strategic planning by MS)
2012 - Halo 4
2013 - 720 launch, Ryse and other new IPs
2014 - new Epic IP, Halo 2 anniversary
2015 - Halo 5
metalslimer
Member
I feel like the hate against Halo 2's SP is kind of unwarranted. I feel its still better than most of the shooters we've gotten this gen.
Yeah I love the campaign. Played it so much the disc is now completely ruined :lol
But you know, people like different things
AdventureRacing
Member
For me it's hard to choose which SP player campaign i like more, 1 or 2. I wish they hadn't fucked up the end of halo 2 and actually continued on with the story like that in halo 3.
The Librarian
Banned
I don't think they'd need to. Halo 3, if it can be played on the next Xbox, would get something of a resolution bump wouldn't it? It happened for Xbox games on the 360.
Actually, Halo 3 surpassed 10 million long ago, I would imagine it is well over 11 million right now. But back to the main point, for a start I highly recommend using a dictionary to research the word 'evidence', because evidence is exactly what I have provided. You just seem to be ignoring it or providing weak reasons to address it. There is no reason that the Halo series shouldn't have expanded beyond Halo 3, according to you there is very little overlap in the fanbases, meaning that there is plenty of room in the market for Halo to expand. It's also tragic how you're disregarding the acclaim that ODST received, for a series that was consistently hitting the mid nineties, ODST hitting the mid 80's was a complete and utter embarrassment for the series. Lastly, it's worth noting that Halo ODST's sales being well below Reach's and 3's is the final stake in this thoroughly disastrous counter attack.
Look, you're just a guy who his trying to make his way on a forum, I respect that. However this argument isn't doing you any favours, lucky for you I'm willing to forget it and hope Microsoft don't make the same mistakes in the future. Whether you do the same is up to you.
Stripper13
Member
This. I don't think Halo 2 campaign was particularly good compared to the other Halo games, but it shits all over any other shooter campaign I've experienced this generation.
Sigh... when is someone going to release a new Quake... you know, like Q1/Q2 - complete with traps, a complicated map, secrets, rocket jumps and fucking crazy bosses.
HigherLevel
Member
So they're gonna release a map pack for Reach with a game that's likely releasing in 2014 if it's real when Halo 4 will have been out two years at that point?
Traumnovelle
Member
Man, Halo 2 is the only Halo game whose campaign doesn't really hold up.
I really liked the Halo 2 campaign, I never got why people hated it.
Halo 2's campaign was a crushing disappointment at the time after playing so much Halo CE campaign for 2-3 years. Everyone was expecting the exact Halo CE gameplay experience with a bunch of new locations, characters and toys and got almost a completely different game.
I did always want to play Turf with everyone seeing through walls.
I need to find a better way for my humor to sound like actual humor.
So either learn how to be funny or use gifs
shinobi602
Member
While I disagree with your 2nd statement, I also absolutely loved the campaign (bar the ending).
AdventureRacing
Member
Reach failed because it was a disappointment, it didn't feature the MC (which had previously been the biggest selling point of the series) and because of the growth in popularity of COD.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
Ha
I think you need to look up the word evidence. What you providing is nothing but the failings of ODST, In no way have you shown its harmed the halo brand and iv provided actual evidence that it has not.
Everything your saying I'm doing you're doing to a greater degree you're ignoring what is essentially proof that the halo brand remained strong after ODST.
Halo 3 sits below the 11 million mark still according to microsoft and again that is over a 5 year period compared to the 2 years of Reach.
You write off the Reach having the biggest launch in the series as it having good marketing, Halo 3 had better marketing.
Sale figures refutes your claim that "ODST irreparably damaged the Halo brand".
You have not provided any evidence at all to back up this claim, Iv provided actual sales figures that prove my point and you have only replied by saying "but ODST did bad". The game may of sold poorly(in comparison) but its impact on the brand was negligible at best and very far from "irreparable"
Please link to the proof, i can post the sales figures if you want that prove Reach had the biggest launch and that Halo 3 is still at the 10 million mark.
GodfatherX
Member
I had maybe 3 parts where I noticed frame rate drops in single player otherwise it was very smooth...and gorgeous
ive heard online co-op was a wreck though
Etrian Oddity
Member
Halo 2 had an amazing story and voice cast, compared to the rest of the titles. 