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CFA response to anti-gay alleg. "Guilty as charged." Do NOT gloat about eating at CFA
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It isn't hypocritical. It would only be hypocritical if we believed that to show any support for a cause required you to actively pursue every form of possible support for that cause to not be hypocritical. This assumption is, of course, invalid because it is impossible. Not to mention would have ground to a halt every form of improvement of human rights that has ever occurred in our country.
Devolution
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Ask njean, since we're already past the point of talking reasonable here.
Question for you. Do you STILL see no evidence that marriage is considered a right in our society? I noticed you didn't respond to people who pointed out you were wrong and I really think it's rather annoying you expect us to answer questions without that basic courtesy.
No. Honestly, I don't want Chick-Fil-A to close (and don't think they will), I just want them to rethink their policies, and making a stance and sticking by it is the only thing I can really do. The people employed by Cathy aren't an issue, it's Cathy himself.
metalslimer
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No. Jobs are hard enough to come by these days without putting people's futures at risk. I choose to boycott them because I have many other options to choose from that don't donate money to this despicable cause. Workers shouldn't have to suffer because of it. I mean it's not like the people are working for child molesters.
njean777
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That is a good question, which I have no answer for.
Maybe I did go a little overboard, let the protest continue. I can see how my argument was flawed, but maybe one day we can get off oil.
Acerac
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Devolution
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Better stop all social activism now, bunch of fucking hypocrites, the lot of 'em. Better to be "consistent" than anything else in life.
Whoops, very sorry, appreciate it. And to answer your question I don't blame the employees. They're trying to earn a living like anyone else, some may agree with the company, some may not. But that's a separate consideration.
Why don't you point out hypocrisy in every thread? Why are you so inconsistent?
Keru_Shiri
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You said yourself that you don't call out folks in other threads over boycotts? Funny how you can pick your battles but we can't pick ours.
Furthermore, the only true way to attain the level of consistency you push for is to do absolutely nothing. Is this what you earnestly suggest?
Devolution
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We all just need to learn to be apathetic for it is the one true consistent life course. Just say fuck it to everything.
notworksafe
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metalslimer
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No problem. I think we all have some role to play in different aspects of life and that Americans have become way too lazy about how much we support different companies. Then again a huge chunk of the nation believes that companies are god and that doing anything negatively to impact them is some kind of heresy. I do all the little things I can to positively impact the community. I volunteer, try to conserve waters, try to recycle ( although this is extremely hard in rural louisiana), and spend money wisely. Its all about the battles you pick.
FallingEdge
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It sure as hell looks like it and that mentality is pretty sad as well.
I view gay marriage as a right and I think all couples should have equality under the law. However, I think the boycott isn't going to help change Chick-Fil-A's mind. Wouldn't a better route be to set a day that everyone who believes in marriage equality go to a Chick-Fil-A and fill out a comment card or something like that. Show them that they are hurting their very own customers. Let them see that their customers are being hurt.
njean777
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This is the first boycott thread I have ever really went into as I like chickfila, I tend to stay out of them because if one were to disagree they usually get made fun of, or made to look like an idiot by everybody. In other words god forbid somebody disagrees with the groups circle jerk mindset. I learned that the hard way in religious threads which I will not touch with a 50ft pole anymore.
metalslimer
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You can leave comments to them and still not give money to them. It's true that the amount of money that we don't spend won't hurt them too much, but the negatively publicity can hopefully someday help change their stance.
I don't think you should stop expressing your opinion. I don't mind people who will still eat there knowing where part of the money is going. I think the way you tried to argue against this boycott was just particularly bad. And there were also people who threw it in our faces that they were going to continue to eat there and didn't care what happened.
I don't know about her. Let's say both, though.
Devolution
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When your argument amounts to "boycott everything in your life or boycott nothing" the circle jerk isn't the issue here.
There's a kiss-in planned for this coming Wednesday. One of those Facebook things.
What if you don't have anybody to kiss?
nVidiot_Whore
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So because you like chicken sandwiches you thought this was a good thread to jump in, call everyone inconsistent hypocrites in, and then ignore every other protest thread because they don't involve chicken sandwiches you like?
You aren't doing yourself any favors.
Your argument was terrible and has been taken down, multiple times, in this very thread.
All you really had to do was think about it a little. Why are people boycotting Chick-Fil-A but not oil? Well gee, maybe it's enormously easier to boycott a fast food restaurant and therefore the marginal return on utility is much much higher?
Think, then post.
Keru_Shiri
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So what, people shouldn't be expected to back up their opinions? I've had to post quite a few links backing up my assertions and such, and the beginning of this thread saw quite a few people openly taunting and mocking the boycotters. So cut with the bitterness.
What's wrong with canned and jarred food?
Paraffin is used as a sealant, so you're giving some money to OPEC every time you buy one. Like I said, oil has permeated our world to a level that I think some people aren't aware of.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Its not hard to boycott them around here. The closest one is like 90 miles away.
njean777
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What bitterness? I already said my argument was flawed due to the impossibility of accomplishing said argument.
Your argument was "If you don't boycott something, then you're not allowed to boycott anything."
Which doesn't make sense. Which is why people are arguing with you.
More likely you know that it doesn't make sense, and your argument is formed by your agenda, whatever that may be.
If this was about African-American rights, I doubt we'd be having this conversation.
empty vessel
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Exactly. And that's why is important to be vigilant about the democratic nature of said government. (We've been sloppy about that in the US recently.)
While I may be wrong, it seems like njean777 and others like him/her are not really advocating the "Boycott everything or nothing" argument.
Instead, it seems like people in this thread are making those that do not want to boycott Chick-Fil-A feel guilty, and therefore making them rationalize their decision.
Pretty much a by the book example of cognitive dissonance.
Again, I could be wrong.
Instead, it seems like people in this thread are making those that do not want to boycott Chick-Fil-A feel guilty, and therefore making them rationalize their decision.
Pretty much a by the book example of cognitive dissonance.
Again, I could be wrong.
So you'd be ok with black people not being allowed to marry, or redheads not being allowed to marry, or left handed people not being allowed to marry?
Because you don't consider marriage to be a "right"?
Yea, that makes sense.
njean777
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I will say I have been feeling guilty the last week I went to chickfila. I wont lie.
Edit - I think I misunderstood you the first time. I agree that a lot of that is probably going on.
I don't think anybody in here needs other random forum posters to agree with them to rationalize their decision, but I do think there's some unfair vitriol going around. I don't think that was njean777's initial point, but it sort of morphed into that as s/he kept posting.
metalslimer
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Well to be honest they should feel guilty if they actually care about this issue in any way. The people saying well I like the gayzz, but sorry the food is so good they can suck it don't really get much sympathy from me.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Are people looking for your sympathy?
speculawyer
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It is virtually impossible to get off oil. If you work really hard at it and/or have the money, you can personally stop buying gasoline by walking, bicycling, getting an electric car, using electricity based public transportation, etc. But it is very hard.
But no matter what, virtually every product you buy and every food you eat was transported by oil. And oil is used within products as plastics, paints, pharmaceuticals, pesticides, etc.
Not eating at a particular fast-food place is as easy as it gets. There are plenty of other places you can eat.
BobTheFork
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Just saw this on CNN and didn't see it here. I assume it was natural but when I read the headline I thought someone had just taken everything too far.
CNN said:
Jason's Ultimatum
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It was already posted. Last page even, I think.
I would certainly start looking for a new job if I worked there, but it is unreasonable to expect people to quit a job because of this. Not many people can afford the luxury of quitting their job with no time to find another.
Trent Strong
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Why don't people boycott McDonalds, which cuts down rainforests to make grazing land? That would be very easy to do.
That's indirect and caused by their choice of beef suppliers, rather than the company having an intentional anti-rainforest agenda.
Woah.
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