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Game Grumps (aka Egoraptor plays some games)
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KirbYuuYuu
Member
I don't know, I mean it could either reach Pokemon levels or just fizzle out into Golden Sun level.
ZeroGravity
Member
ZeroGravity
Member
I'm not complaining either way!To be fair yesterday there was only one.
Net_Wrecker
Member
I kinda agree with JonTron on the Pokemon stuff. They really haven't evolved the game that much from the first generation. I mean jeeez they still haven't even made a big budget home console version, have they?. A Pokemon game with Xenoblade world building, exploration, and content would blow minds.
But what do I know, I stopped playing after Silver. I need moar guns in my gaimes nao.
But what do I know, I stopped playing after Silver. I need moar guns in my gaimes nao.
I should be doing hw
Member
Why would you compare the two? They are both completely different game styles; it's possible to like both or neither.
Fans have wanted this so long it would never live up to any expectations.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
mdtauk
Member
Both are ways of building a character's experience and abilities. One abstracts the mathematics of damage delivered and effectiveness of the items/abilities. The other puts the numbers out there in plain sight. It is this method that is used by most RPGs which is why even though I love exploring, and narrative, and finding items, I can't bare playing RPGs.
I should be doing hw
Member
Ok, so what? Other people can enjoy that experience though, to get back to your original post. While the similarities you describe may be there it makes for a fundamentally different game experience either way.
mdtauk
Member
Well that's my point. I can't see the appeal of that kind of gameplay. I used the Zelda example to show a similar style of gameplay which I do like.
Riposte
Member
Ego says Pokemon is a "kid's game" and Jon says "it is the same game over and over", as if they were agreeing. If Pokemon wasn't a kid's game then it would be okay as it is now, because it is not actually the same game over and over.
When Ego says kid's game he is actually saying it is a game where the devs don't bother putting much strategy(challenge) in what is really a strategy game's campaign (maybe the post-game is interesting, I wouldn't really know). Common problem with (actual) JRPGs, almost universally to some degree. The list of changes they've made isn't going to be apparent when you can just mow the game down with one overleveled starter. It is this way because even the dumbest child must be able to complete it. When you care so little about the game's essential mechanics, why would notice the difference unconsciously?
The campaigns in these games, outside of the battle system, are not actually that one to one. The staples are there and the series lingers on a "generation" for more than one release, but anyone who say Red/Blue = Black/White isn't worth listening to. The larger point is that is doesn't matter because it is very boring. Red/Blue was/is also very boring. Pokemon's campaign is meant to be beaten by the dumbest of children and the charming mood they go for can only go so far. (That's not to even start on the topic that Pokemon is extremely anti-competitive. People have to hack it to make the game bearable.)
With that in mind and with Ego understanding why Pokemon's campaign sucks, I question why they are playing it in the first place... given how long it is too.
Unless I missed it, he wasn't talking about experience points at all. In fact he avoids it when hacks. He is talking about how much he likes the turn-based tactics.
When Ego says kid's game he is actually saying it is a game where the devs don't bother putting much strategy(challenge) in what is really a strategy game's campaign (maybe the post-game is interesting, I wouldn't really know). Common problem with (actual) JRPGs, almost universally to some degree. The list of changes they've made isn't going to be apparent when you can just mow the game down with one overleveled starter. It is this way because even the dumbest child must be able to complete it. When you care so little about the game's essential mechanics, why would notice the difference unconsciously?
The campaigns in these games, outside of the battle system, are not actually that one to one. The staples are there and the series lingers on a "generation" for more than one release, but anyone who say Red/Blue = Black/White isn't worth listening to. The larger point is that is doesn't matter because it is very boring. Red/Blue was/is also very boring. Pokemon's campaign is meant to be beaten by the dumbest of children and the charming mood they go for can only go so far. (That's not to even start on the topic that Pokemon is extremely anti-competitive. People have to hack it to make the game bearable.)
With that in mind and with Ego understanding why Pokemon's campaign sucks, I question why they are playing it in the first place... given how long it is too.
Unless I missed it, he wasn't talking about experience points at all. In fact he avoids it when hacks. He is talking about how much he likes the turn-based tactics.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Pokémon is friggin' perfect the way it is right now. I wouldn't change a thing.
Also, I object to a mainline console-based game. The series should stay portable.
Also, I object to a mainline console-based game. The series should stay portable.
Riposte
Member
You don't want it to be harder? You wouldn't like it if Gym Battles were more like player vs player battles?
mdtauk
Member
Grrrr this is a pet peeve of mine. Stories and single player games are not campaigns GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Riposte
Member
When I say campaign, I mean it in the DnD sense... so I don't know what the problem is.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
GameFreak can't make the games hard by default; that would alienate the target market. The Challenge Key is a step in the right direction, but it needs to be available from the start.
The Broken Ska Record
Member
I've been loving the series, but I don't really like their Emerald playthrough. The first episode or two were great, but they are a bit too boring.
I should be doing hw
Member
But mine is that they are similar only superficially; the core experience you are getting out of them is not due for apt comparison as to which is "better" because they are both attempting two different things.
Your generalisations about one abstracting the math of damage and the other putting them in plain sight completely misses the point on how these games are functioning from a gameplay level. One is turn based, the other is 'realtime' for starters. The meta game of collecting and training monsters via experience points has no similarity at all to the how one progresses through a Zelda game (I'm assuming you're comparing A Link to the Past here too).
mdtauk
Member
But my point is even though both series feature exploring, and having the Character's abilities grow, I dislike Pokemon, Final Fantasy etc because it is turn based, and stat numbers are unobfuscated. But like Zelda where these same concepts exist, but are done in a different way.
What can I say? He's simply wrong when it comes to Pokémon. No ifs, no buts.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
I don't give a shit about the Pokemon episodes. They're the worst least entertaining. The Goof Troop and Zelda episodes are the best ones. And the ones I laugh the most at.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
They're the ones I care least about because nothing ever happens. I like the MegaMan episodes though.
Hey, I had no idea who Jontron was. I don't follow 99% of YT vloggers, there are too many to count even where videogames are concerned. He seems to be another guy who makes lots of noise to try and stand out.
I know of Egoraptor since he's not monotalented and has been around for many years.
And my suggestion that this is pretty much a money grab isn't any less valid.
And you clearly still have no idea.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
"Okay, on the next episode...
THEREISNONE"
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
Money grab? I don't recall a single second of them asking for money. This isn't for money. It's for comedy. Both people are very talented and very funny. It is very sad you are not familiar with JonTron's stuff. It's really damn good. From his classic game reviews to his Sonic Team episodes to his modern reviews to his movie reviews.
There's such a thing as Googling for JonTron and watching some of his stuff yourself. It's really the easiest way to find out who he is and what he is about. If you still don't like him, that's fine. Just don't go stinking up a thread full of people who actually enjoy this stuff and want to talk about it.
So awesome. About time they finished... after the third? Fourth time against Pete? The montages were great. And their discussion of Mario and the 4th dimension.
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Or type in his name on Youtube. Now was that so hard?
KirbYuuYuu
Member
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIyhAQLeaBI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oKwgi62uvk&feature=related
That shit has been animated
EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGXk1UblDx0&feature=related Also animated version of Egoraptor dying, TF2 style.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oKwgi62uvk&feature=related
That shit has been animated
EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGXk1UblDx0&feature=related Also animated version of Egoraptor dying, TF2 style.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
I actually had no idea who Jontron was until a friend showed me his stuff like a week before Game Grumps started. Good timing there. Though it did turn out I saw him when he was still relatively new because one of his friends posted about it in the Sonic Colors thread.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
omg LOOOOL
XeroSauce
Member
My god this is amazing
HyperCubed4
Member
"A PIRATE KIDNAPPING!"
Always, always gets me. I'm positive that if JonTron made it a point to say that in every Goof Troop episode, it would have been the greatest web series ever.
Always, always gets me. I'm positive that if JonTron made it a point to say that in every Goof Troop episode, it would have been the greatest web series ever.
ZeroGravity
Member
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Egoraptor needs to learn him some damn Theory of Relatively. The fuck is he talking about time is not a spacial dimension. Time is Space! That's why it's called spacetime!
Net_Wrecker
Member
Gotta love how they started losing their minds after repeating the last level 3 times.
"Hey, you wanna make a channel where we just...yell...at games? and you're like "Okay..."
AHHHHH"
cosmicblizzard
Banned
The fact they're also playing this while they're super tired probably doesn't help, lol.
The Real Abed
Perma-Junior
Not to mention they are playing this all in one sitting. And its been a few hours. Who knows how many other games they might have recorded that day.
voodoopanda
Member
The talk about Pokemon being too easy is depressing. The last Pokemon I played was Emerald (I think that's the one) and I just couldn't beat the two twin little girl gym leaders. None of the pokemon I had up to that point could stand a chance and I even went out to try to catch some that might fair better type-wise but the only ones I could find were underleveled. My only hope was to grind forever and I just didn't have it in me. Haven't played Pokemon since.
Yeah, watching people play Pokemon isn't the funnest thing to see. I do like their dumb commentary, though not sure if I would want to watch them play the entire game though. Hope too see more co-op games, love Goof Troop play through. Maybe something like Final Fight because it has friendly hits, gonna be fun seeing them rage at each other.