Canis lupus
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Nah I'm just not participating, its something Ive chosen for myself.
Darackutny
Junior Member
Assuming it did make more sense, it doesn't make it correct.
It is actually easier to argue that the verses are vague and nonsensical than argue that those that documented the verses all screwed up on the same word.
F#A#Oo's answer is sufficient as well.
Yessir.
what do you guys think of Al-Ghazali's Ihya Ulum id Din? I am thinking of getting this:
http://kitaabun.com/shopping3/product_info.php?products_id=3942
Which is the best translation of it so far?
http://kitaabun.com/shopping3/product_info.php?products_id=3942
Which is the best translation of it so far?
thx for you reply. From their catalogue though they only translated selected books out of it. I would like to get the full four volumes.
Fonsvitae is going to publish the full four volumes in the future - can you recommend them? Shall i wait?
https://www.fonsvitae.com/OnlineStore/tabid/58/cid/5/Al-Ghazali.aspx
Fonsvitae is going to publish the full four volumes in the future - can you recommend them? Shall i wait?
https://www.fonsvitae.com/OnlineStore/tabid/58/cid/5/Al-Ghazali.aspx
ITS is very meticulous with the translations...Fonsvitae are pretty ambitious doing the full four. I'd say it's worth the wait if you want all four volumes...there doesn't seem to be a date of release though which probably points to the weight of having to carry out such an ambitious undertaking...massive massive effort...lets hope they do a good job.
ok thanks. I will wait then but still will start reading this online translation of it.
My idea was to get a basis understanding of islam - some form of foundation to start with. Do you think al ghazalis work is a good point to start? There are also a lot of people who aren't fond of sufism. Are there alternatives? I think it is just amazing how Al Ghazali pretty much adresses every instance of islam with those four volumes. Are there any other works from other scholars that huuuge and detailed to begin with?
in my humble opinion:
i never heard of such an ayat. I do know that you don't have to wear it when you are old or you are alone with your family. And Hijab is def. obligatory (look for islamic dress code).
The Qur'an never EXACTLY tells you what to do and what not (f.ex. how to proper 'wash' yourself before praying (Wudu) or praying itself). Therefore you won't find a penalty for not wearing specific pieces of clothing. We need to get such specific informations from the sunnah/hadiths and from that you will learn that only the face and hands should be visible. (at least that what the majority thinks about/interprets certain hadiths)
My idea was to get a basis understanding of islam - some form of foundation to start with. Do you think al ghazalis work is a good point to start? There are also a lot of people who aren't fond of sufism. Are there alternatives? I think it is just amazing how Al Ghazali pretty much adresses every instance of islam with those four volumes. Are there any other works from other scholars that huuuge and detailed to begin with?
in my humble opinion:
i never heard of such an ayat. I do know that you don't have to wear it when you are old or you are alone with your family. And Hijab is def. obligatory (look for islamic dress code).
The Qur'an never EXACTLY tells you what to do and what not (f.ex. how to proper 'wash' yourself before praying (Wudu) or praying itself). Therefore you won't find a penalty for not wearing specific pieces of clothing. We need to get such specific informations from the sunnah/hadiths and from that you will learn that only the face and hands should be visible. (at least that what the majority thinks about/interprets certain hadiths)
Darackutny
Junior Member
Depends on what subject you are looking for. Unfortunately, not much has been translated.
Don't remember very well, but it could be a hadith too.
Al-ibn Kermit
Junior Member
I don't know about sterile women but iirc, the quran only says that the chest has to be covered while there are hadiths that expand it to including the head.
Something similiar to Al Ghazalis work - like some form of a compedium knowledge about islam in all its facets and aspects. But i couldn't find anything that is that broad and extensive.
are they any other must-read books about islam (translated into english)? books that are highly regarded by scholars and still easy to understand? Would love to see some book recommendations
Thanks!
Darackutny
Junior Member
are they any other must-read books about islam (translated into english)? books that are highly regarded by scholars and still easy to understand? Would love to see some book recommendations
Thanks!
Must-read? Hmm... Too many really. The main problem is that in my opinion, much of the major classical works require other references and tools for you to make the best out of them. I can't count the times I found myself completely lost until finding a supporting opinion/evidence in another book.
http://store.dar-us-salam.com/Eng_Aqidah/242.html
The above book did change my life though. It details the correct Islamic view about Allah's nature. Like many, if not most people, I thought I knew all that before picking this up. Boy, was I wrong.
As for Al-Ghazali's book, perhaps the main criticism was that he used to quote fabricated narrations at times. Luckily, there are other authors that have filtered those out like Al-Maqdisi in Mukhtasar Minhaj Al-Qasideen and a contemporary author called Salih Al-Shaami.
It does actually. Don't have time to look it up right now. Going to a funeral.
So I came across this discussion on Rethinking Islamic Reform: Hamza Yusuf & Tariq Ramadan. I wanted some of your thoughts on this and do any of you believe Islam needs reforming? If so do you agree with any points made? Do you have positions you yourself that were not raised but should be?
Bit of a long discussion I know...
Bit of a long discussion I know...
RustyNails
Member
^Hamza Yusuf is a supremely intelligent guy. I'll take whatever he says.
So how is Ramadan going for you guys? Bet no one had an iftar party like these dudes
So how is Ramadan going for you guys? Bet no one had an iftar party like these dudes
victreeb3l
Member
talk about excess :|
crazy monkey
Banned
^Hamza Yusuf is a supremely intelligent guy. I'll take whatever he says.
So how is Ramadan going for you guys? Bet no one had an iftar party like these dudes
there has to be some photoshop in there
I hope there were alot of poor and hungry men, women and children outside that tent.
ramadan is beautiful so far. I feel so much better in general. my iman is so present, i feel 'alive'. insha'Allah everything so far continues that way.
ramadan is beautiful so far. I feel so much better in general. my iman is so present, i feel 'alive'. insha'Allah everything so far continues that way.
edit:maybe not the Qur'an itself but it is said especially for ramadan that you should never eat too much - having the feeling of being really full is not good for you. even on ramadan you should eat in moderation. If you have enough food invite your neighbours to join you.
Darackutny
Junior Member
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YUSUFALI Translation: It is He Who produceth gardens, with trellises and without, and dates, and tilth with produce of all kinds, and olives and pomegranates, similar (in kind) and different (in variety): eat of their fruit in their season, but render the dues that are proper on the day that the harvest is gathered. But waste not by excess: for Allah loveth not the wasters.
YUSUFALI Translation: It is He Who produceth gardens, with trellises and without, and dates, and tilth with produce of all kinds, and olives and pomegranates, similar (in kind) and different (in variety): eat of their fruit in their season, but render the dues that are proper on the day that the harvest is gathered. But waste not by excess: for Allah loveth not the wasters.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
The fact that Islam promotes and values humbleness and moderation is the thing that pisses me off about pictures such as above or stories about those rich princes or the fact that they make Mecca like a goddamn Las Vegas or something.
Necromanti
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Canis lupus
Member
^Hamza Yusuf is a supremely intelligent guy. I'll take whatever he says.
So how is Ramadan going for you guys? Bet no one had an iftar party like these dudes
That looks gross, what is that? There is food for like 50 people there.
victreeb3l
Member
its downright disgusting. i cant wait till the oil runs out for those dbags.
You eat a lot then
. There´s already 13 people in that picture.50?
That looks like it would easily feed 400,500 people. Hell that's more food than one lays out at a wedding reception.
Some real interesting break down on how Muslims perceive Islam all around the world: http://www.pewforum.org/Muslim/the-worlds-muslims-unity-and-diversity.aspx
and in the USA: http://www.pewforum.org/Muslim/the-worlds-muslims-unity-and-diversity-appendix-a.aspx
and in the USA: http://www.pewforum.org/Muslim/the-worlds-muslims-unity-and-diversity-appendix-a.aspx
There is something really ill in our hearts and minds if people don't except Sunnis, Shi'ahs, Sufis, Wahhabis, Salafis, etc. as muslims. We are all one - and as muslims we shouldn't seperate ourselves from other islamic schools but work together. We have so much in common yet we try so hard to nitpick little differences and basically make a big thing out of it. Sure i am a sunni, but i don't like this form of seperation. When our prophet Mohammed (saws) lived there were also no seperations. Bottom line is, the majority believes in the five pillars of islam. Isn't that enough? We shouldn't look for differences but rather for similarities. Noone knows which way of understanding islam is the righteous one. It really doesn't matter - the idea is that we have to try and learn our whole life to become better muslims by learning from each other and by having an open mind for other islamic branches and opinions.
http://www.islamhelpline.com/node/1036
http://www.islamhelpline.com/node/1036
Darackutny
Junior Member
^ I don't mean to sound rude, but aren't you technically condemning the other sects instead of uniting them under a single banner when you quote narrations like "the Prophet (saws) prophecized that there will come a time that Islam will be divided into seventy-three sects, and unfortunately we live in those times today. Every one of these sects will go to the Hell Fire, except the one which was followed by the Prophet (saws) and his companions (r.a.)."
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We are unfortunately divided...we are told not to create divisions but we do. Unfortunately people like labels, we like being distinct from one another, we like to feel like we have better knowledge and understanding than our brothers and sisters. It cannot be avoided and it is prophesied...all we can do is "hold firmly to the rope of Allah"...
hehe...well, you are kinda right! My original post however condemns noone, it is actually the opposite - we muslims have no right to to condemn anybody in this world, no muslim, no jew and so on. it is forbidden and only Allah subhanallah wa tala has that right.
But it is said that that quote is one of the stronger hadiths - so muslims should take this very serious.
Darackutny
Junior Member
Just purchased a copy of grammatical breakdown of the Quran aka one of those i'iraab books.
Yeah, we all hated learning Arabic grammar in school, but learning for the sake of the grade sure has its way of biting you back in the ass when you grow up and actually care about learning this sort of stuff.
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Yeah, we all hated learning Arabic grammar in school, but learning for the sake of the grade sure has its way of biting you back in the ass when you grow up and actually care about learning this sort of stuff.
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so i had a little discussion with my father today whether or not animals have a soul like we humans do. Without thinking much about it i said, that they obviously don't have a soul because the only thing we differ from animals is having a soul but my father asked me if i am really sure about it. Now i am kinda confused.
so, do animals have souls? if they do, does it differ from ours at all and do they have their own paradise/hell? really confused right now. will google a bit but hope to find an answer here too insha'allah.
so, do animals have souls? if they do, does it differ from ours at all and do they have their own paradise/hell? really confused right now. will google a bit but hope to find an answer here too insha'allah.
I always thought animals do have soul... How are these animals alive and how different animals of the same species have different personalities like us humans. Hence they have a soul...
RoaringHawk
Member
They do have souls. What makes humans different is the mind, as in the distinction between what's right and what's wrong.
Terra Firma
Banned
I think that picture has something called mandi. It tastes delicious. It's basically meat and rice that is cooked together in a clay pot which is placed inside the earth with I think coals. It is slow cooked to delicious perfection. Makes my mouth water thinking about it (haven't had it in over 12 years).
And yeah, I'd be willing to guess that is a picture from Saudi Arabia and Saudis are known for their excesses. That food was probably provided by a single person for his guests. May even be a prince/king doing this. It's free food for the attendees who usually go to the princes to tell them what they want/need or what needs to be done. It is up to the prince's discretion whether he will actually listen to the suggestion or not.
And yeah, I'd be willing to guess that is a picture from Saudi Arabia and Saudis are known for their excesses. That food was probably provided by a single person for his guests. May even be a prince/king doing this. It's free food for the attendees who usually go to the princes to tell them what they want/need or what needs to be done. It is up to the prince's discretion whether he will actually listen to the suggestion or not.
Thanks for your replies to my question. Yet i would really like to have a source for your statements.
Dr. Zakir Naik says in this video that humans have souls, yet animals don't. he also says that soul has actually a weight ? (never heard that before)
Here however it says something different:
http://quransmessage.com/pdfs/Animals and Souls.pdf
It basically says that the qur'an uses "nafs" as describing the human soul and that 'nafs' got used in the qur'an only when describing humans. It was never used when describing animals, nature etc. but yet just because that is was never used to describe other creations of god beside humans it doesn't mean they have not their own form of 'nafs'. In sure 27, ayat 18 an ant actually talks: "Till, when they reached the Valley of the Ants, an ant (female) exclaimed: O ants! Enter your dwellings lest Solomon and his armies crush you, unperceiving"
What can we take from that ayat? So not only do they have their own form of soul but they do can distinct between right and wrong?
Dr. Zakir Naik says in this video that humans have souls, yet animals don't. he also says that soul has actually a weight ? (never heard that before)
Here however it says something different:
http://quransmessage.com/pdfs/Animals and Souls.pdf
It basically says that the qur'an uses "nafs" as describing the human soul and that 'nafs' got used in the qur'an only when describing humans. It was never used when describing animals, nature etc. but yet just because that is was never used to describe other creations of god beside humans it doesn't mean they have not their own form of 'nafs'. In sure 27, ayat 18 an ant actually talks: "Till, when they reached the Valley of the Ants, an ant (female) exclaimed: O ants! Enter your dwellings lest Solomon and his armies crush you, unperceiving"
What can we take from that ayat? So not only do they have their own form of soul but they do can distinct between right and wrong?
OttomanScribe
Member
What do you mean by 'souls'?
I do not believe they have a 'ruh', at least as they are classically understood. Additionally how would they have a paradise/hell if their every moment is a testification to God? I understood that on some level all living things are reflections of the paradisial reality (something attested to, at least in specific cases, by hadith about trees planted in this reality existing in heaven).
OttomanScribe
Member
All Muslim men should watch the following talk by Habib Ali al-Jifri. I have watched many of his videos and never seen him so animated!
The video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZG6ibK8mwo
The transcript:
http://muslimvillage.com/2012/08/14/26927/oppression-of-women-a-sin-on-us-all/
I think it is a very important thing for all of us to see this.
The video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZG6ibK8mwo
The transcript:
http://muslimvillage.com/2012/08/14/26927/oppression-of-women-a-sin-on-us-all/
I think it is a very important thing for all of us to see this.
with soul i mean 'ruh'.
and yup, that's what i incidentally thought. I will still keep looking for more infos on that, will ask my uncles if they do know more insha'allah.
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Absolutely. Thanks for posting that video; it is one if those problems we tend to overlook or just want to ignore.
OttomanScribe
Member
I can ask a Sheikh if you like?
I am fairly certain I have never heard anyone say that animals have a Ruh.Indeed, I love the way the Sheikh framed it. Not in the kind of way that charity is normally framed (as an obligation, rather than a favour) and in a manner that cuts through peoples apathy.
He is so true about the way that we say that Islam supports women's rights, but we use it as a shield, rather than a command.
Coming from a Sheikh who is SO prominent a speaker, it is a great thing. Allah bless him and shower him with mercy.
I do! Thanks.I can ask a Sheikh if you like?
This was like a wake-up call for me. 'zakat' is very important in islam, but do we always have good intentions when spending that money for charity? Therefore i like that msg from that video: We shouldn't have that feeling of being "forced" to help other people because the qur'an says it and our Prophet (saws) preached it. It should really come from our hearts because of the connection within the ummah.
... and there is always the problem of riya of course.
OttomanScribe
Member
Just sent the email, will get back to you insha'Allah.
In other news.
This photo got posted on facebook the other day, is a picture of Sheikh Faraz Rabbani, my Sheikh, Sheikh Naeem Abdul Wali and Imam Tahir Anwar.
This is the new turban cap I got in Yarkand
This is a mosque in Xian, China, that was built in 70 hijrah!
Can I ask what is your ethnic background?
OttomanScribe
Member
White lol.
My grandad was Swedish, Grandma Irish, Grandfather Irish and Grandmother British/Norwegian.
victreeb3l
Member
thanks so much for sharing this. this especially hits home since ive witnessed far too much mistreatment of women in my family.