Go back to the Uncharted 1 GAF thread. People were hammering the fact Gears looked better. Even when the initial Killzone 2 trailer came out, there was a Gears love fest.
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Go back to the Uncharted 1 GAF thread. People were hammering the fact Gears looked better. Even when the initial Killzone 2 trailer came out, there was a Gears love fest.
The most public confirmation was a linux dump of the clock awhile back.
http://forums.ps2dev.org/viewtopic.php?p=64713&sid=7328b0d466401959342af39d0e1998ab#64713 (hopefully, this is ok to post)
gaming_noob
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I'd like to respond to GoFreak's post from the locked thread regarding cloud gaming.. how plausible would it be to be able to to insert a PS3 game in a PS4 > cloud recognizes legit PS3 game in local hardware > transfers you to the version of the game you want to play, through cloud service, free of charge since you own a legit copy? That way, they don't really need compatible hardware for BC.
BruiserBear
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I definitely think fall 2014 would be too late for Sony, and a huge mistake. However, as much as I wish it weren't true, I often feel like Sony doesn't get it, and they may be convinced they'll be OK launching a year later than Microsoft again.
Pachter is so clueless. His predictions are almost never accurate. Predicting chip problems more than a year from launch? Who would do something like that? Pachter, that's who.
Unless something really unexpected happens next Spring/Summer, Microsoft is going to launch their next console in the fall of 2013.
It won't be. It's really not even possible. Could it be more powerful? Sure, but twice as powerful seems like a real stretch if Sony intends to come in at a consumer friendly price, which they have to.
That'd be nice. I assume the disc would go in the machine whenever you wanted to play the game - don't know if Sony has unique ids on discs to make one-time redemption for cloud access possible.
However I think this will all be tied up in a premium service, in something like Plus or whatever.
The idea of cloud-based PS3 playback isn't something I think is a definite anyway - just probably the only chance at playing PS3 games on a PS4 because of the hardware setup. Dunno if it will happen though. It'd have to be economical - and they may not be able to make it so, in which case it won't happen. If they can make it work economically, I'm sure it won't be 'free', but will probably be rolled into some kind of subscription package.
Aren't you the guy that told me that expecting an underclocked 8850 was too much about a week ago?The specs make sense and are plausible. The CPU being empty is wierd. If Sony waits for 9000 series cards things could get awesome, but I am concerned about the fail of an OS, no BC, and no changes to dualshock
The most public confirmation was a linux dump of the clock awhile back.
http://forums.ps2dev.org/viewtopic.php?p=64713&sid=7328b0d466401959342af39d0e1998ab#64713 (hopefully, this is ok to post)
Ok cool. There's also this link, but I don't know if it counts as a confirmation either:
http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/20060925/3d_tgs.htm
Me too if some of the rumours based on manufacturing timelines are to be believed. Fabs have never kept pace with the 'schedules.'
DonMigs85
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Apparently they also reduced the GDDR3's clock to 650MHz. Seems they had some supply issues.
Does Michael Pachter Know What He's Talking About? I doubt it.
-PS3 will outsell Xbox 360 by the end of 2008-wrong
-PS3 price cut for April 2009-wrong
-October 2008; "A Wii HD would really position Nintendo well, which is why I'm absolutely convinced there is a Wii HD coming. Businesswise, they can't have people saying that their machine is a toy for my mom."-wrong
-Fall 2009; we will see the Wii HD in 2010.-wrong
-Grand Theft Auto 5:
March 2009: Next Grand Theft Auto game will come out in 2010, outsell GTA:IV.
Jul 2009: Next GTA game to come out by 2011.
Dec 2010: Next GTA game to come out by 2012.
April 2012; GTA V will be released on Oct 23rd and "I’d say you’d get an announcement on GTA V the day before E3 starts, that’d be Monday, June 4."-wrong
-Feb 2010: “Project Natal” (Kinect) will cost $50. “Very surprised if it’s more than $79,” “hard to envision” at $150.Wrong: it was $150.
-November 2008: Assassin’s Creed 2 will be set in the 17th Century.
Wrong by 200 years; it was in the 15 Century
I have dozens like these,if you want more.Imo this guy is not relevant anymore.
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pharmboy044
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Haven't heard anything regarding PS4 dev kits being in the wild. Which leads me to believe that Sony is behind Microsoft and will be releasing in 2014.
Actually if we're talking 2014, a revised HDMI would allow 1080p60 FP. Though it does seem pointless.
Your speculation makes a lot of sense. What I'm curious is if they plan to push Ocular Rift-esque tech to go along with it? Their HMD is quite fantastic, and a revised version that does head tracking would be pretty easy to implement. Or maybe they could even support Ocular Rift?
lightchris
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The most public confirmation was a linux dump of the clock awhile back.
http://forums.ps2dev.org/viewtopic.php?p=64713&sid=7328b0d466401959342af39d0e1998ab#64713 (hopefully, this is ok to post)
Interesting, thanks.
That's not how it works
Proelite
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Yeah, less than a year is too short to adjust your console development cycle against the schedule of your competitor.
Glad to see some people jumping on the bandwagon.
I made this suggestion long ago (probably close to a year at this point?) in some of the earlier PS4 threads. Everyone shat on my posts, citing that 'the most powerful console doesn't usually win'. I tried to argue it's not simply about power, as you said there is a greater confluence happening.
The industry is changing. In order to make up costs, MS and Sony want generations to last much longer like this one has. It's not just about HW performance, they are moving to a much more services-oriented model to help keep consoles alive. But they still need a fairly significant leap in performance to keep the consoles viable in terms of graphics. Obviously they can't really maintain graphics competitiveness over the long-term, but it needs to at have some significant headroom. The way to do that is to wait until there is a significant jump in tech both in terms of performance and costs. Coincidentally ... these sort of major advancements tend to happen over a longer timeline - say 7+ years ... not the traditional console generation timeline.
What we'll have available in 2014 is a new way to generate massive memory bandwidth, as well as new die shrinks for processing. It's not just about raw performance, it about performance per watt, TDP, and long-term cost scalability. Stuff like stacked DDR4 will see major cost reductions throughout the generation, etc.
The other side of this is the extra features and services. Much like the aforementioned tech, we are also seeing a confluence on that side of things. We are seeing a lot of movement on display tech (not only 4K, but HMDs), 2nd screen features, and the biggest change to television media in history. There is finally some movement on IPTV packaging. These sort of things are going to take a while to settle out. And while they don't necessarily need to be in place for launch, the console manufactures need to at least have a relatively clear idea what sort of I/O, OS framework, and OS footprint will be necessarily to incorporate these services.
Much like the confluence of HW, this confluence of services is all pointing to 2014 as a solid time to launch a forward-looking system that will be able to utilize such features over the long haul. Consoles are no longer a sprint ... they are a marathon of features.
*sigh* I keep coming into this thread, but it's moving way too damn fast and I can barely understand what people are talking about through all this jargon. Could we get a quick breakdown of what we know about PS4 (or next-gen in general) so far, or what the general consensus is? And what's this about delaying it to 2014?
jeff_rigby
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Yes! Took me longer to see it. Multiple technologies (and Software) all maturing in 2014, it's not coincidence.
Giant Panda
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Services don't need to wait for new hardware for the most part. All but a few can be released when they are done with no hardware changes as long as their was some foreward planning. Additionally, due to diminishing returns I don't think there needs to be too much worry about future proofing the graphics of these consoles. 2014 isnt as important as one might think.
Not really about the PS4 but it adds to the PS4 with 4K support fire because Sony is investing a lot in 4K.
Medical devices with 3D and 4K technology for surgery planned under new Sony-Olympus alliance
Medical devices with 3D and 4K technology for surgery planned under new Sony-Olympus alliance
Why Patcher (pun indended) shoud not be questioned:
1. He drives a Porsche
2. He has a trophy wife
3. He is the most right of them all (at least he claims).
Why Patcher (pun indended) shoud not be questioned:
1. He drives a Porsche
2. He has a trophy wife
3. He is the most right of them all (at least he claims).
Michael?
I mean it would be technically feasible, but there would be lag and image quality issues. Also, they would basically need a PS3 running for every single person they're streaming to concurrently, which becomes really costly for sony.
Someone from Sony also said they don't want to be the last to launch, so who do you believe?
Hint:
correct answer is no one ;-)
We know nothing basically. x86 CPU and AMD GPU, and this goes for both of the bigger consoles.
Any consideration to the question I asked you?
I'm sure you'd love for this to be true.
Really I see no need to troll whatever Sony may due out of fear that it'll overshadow the Wii-u. Posts like this make you no better than people who say the Wii-U isn't next Gen. =P
i think it was around here few years back when he was active and people were questioning and those were his reasons for not to question him
.Sony's 2013 is pretty stacked so I'm sure they'll be ok.
What? I buy all the home console's! I'm not one to limit myself in gaming. The only barrier is price...always has been and always will be.
You should assume less because you just look like an idiot! I'm excited for a new console after such a long generation...what's your issue with Wii U? Are you insecure?
I'll buy the Orbis and Durango...but MS/Sony can get stuffed if they go over a certain price.
EDIT: I just checked your profile...solo console owner...I should have known...
Developing new engine's takes time. Besides, most first party games have become profitable. The new PS3, the countless collections from every studios (Infamous Collection, GoW collection, Uncharted Collection, J&D Collection, Sly Cooper collection) will help blunt the blow of money.
Sony can afford to do 2014, so can MS. I am really hyped
.Developing new engine's takes time. Besides, most first party games have become profitable. The new PS3, the countless collections from every studios (Infamous Collection, GoW collection, Uncharted Collection, J&D Collection, Sly Cooper collection) will help blunt the blow of money.
Sony can afford to do 2014, so can MS. I am really hyped
Yes, if it's Q1 2014, but what about Q3 or Q4?
H_Prestige
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Yup. There really is no need to rush 2013 launch, especially when 360 and ps3 are more than capable of checking the Wii U next year.
We're past the point of one console flat out dominating the competition. There won't be a ps2 again, or another wii for that matter. It's all about ROI at this point, not absolute number of units shipped.
Honestly, what I forsee happening is Sony releasing a console no later than 6 months after MS. MS will launch no later than May of 2014, while Sony releases in October of 2014 (in NA), December 2014 (in US/Japan).
Shit has me so hyped.
Glorified G
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Remember, you're getting hyped over a pastebin article.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Uninformed posters bemoan the 2014 rhetoric, but in terms of performance, cost, and long term profit; it only makes the most sense. GDDR5 doesn't just "get cheaper", AMD's GCN is on its last legs, and neither 360/PS3 is at $99.
2013 will land us a half baked, 'modest', misstep. We are at a level of performance where we need a massive bump on paper to see a similar jump from previous generations.
From a performance standpoint, posters suggest 10X PS3 will offer a quantum leap. However, my biggest fear is the visual boost will be lost in translation. The Samaritan demo was mocked by a portion of GAF for not looking 'next-gen'. People have unrealistic expectations, timelines, and wants. 20X PS3 can be had at a reasonable cost, size, and performance level if people are willing to wait.
Sony and Microsoft would be better suited for a 2014 launch. The wait is agonizing, but an industry wide acceptance and push forward is far more important than a marginal bump.
Honestly, I have issues with the Pastebin article myself. The fact that MS is going 2.2 teraflops in 2014? Hell no. Both consoles can easily achieve 3.5-4 teraflops if they wait one more GPU generation. There will be a massive architecture change. Waiting will give us consoles that we can be happy for the next decade.
The best part is, neither will break the bank if they wait. Things can be sold at cost, or maybe with a small profit. RAM will be "dirt" cheap as we all want. Most importantly, games will be all prepped for launch.
Apophis2036
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To be fair they did say -
"And at expense to your wallet. The build we saw kept a steady 30fps… running on a rig with three Nvidia GTX 680s inside. There’s years of optimisation to come, but expect this to be the first of a new wave of games to finally challenge your PC."
Regarding PS4 / 720 release dates, you really just have to look at the exclusive software for release in 2013, MS have Gears while Sony have God of War, Last of Us, Beyond and Last Guardian.
There are a ton of third party games out in the first quarter of 2013 and then there is a massive gap from April onwards.
Going on that info i think we will see the 720 in Nov 2013 and PS4 in March 2014.
It would be a huge mistake to let Wii U have two Xmas's alone as the only next gen console available imo, Sony and MS could find themselves 15 - 20 million consoles behind before they even release.
Altho i doubt they are bothered, i think they both stopped trying to compete with Nintendo a while ago because of the sheer strength and sales of Nintendo's first party output.
If these companies delay their consoles to 2014 they run the risk of loosing to Nintendo especially in Japan.
SolidSnakex
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To be honest, I don't think either of them really care about Japan. MS pretty much knows that they have no chance there and Sony has continued to put more and more emphasis on their western studios.
The Wii U has yet to prove itself. 360 and PS3 can easily get ports from it. Also, whenever PS4 and Next Box come out, they will usurp the Wii U the same way PS3/360 did.
Finally, both companies will spend BILLIONS more on RAM if they don't wait.
As if the japanese market had any revelance...
Also Japan has voted with their dollars on 3DS and PS3. They aren't going to change any time soon.
I'm with you, but I expect a Nintendo-esqe reveal. 2013 we'll see the console, and a cock tease of plenty of games.
2014 will be the motherload. Launch date, price, and packaging.
Sony also showcased Vita in surprise Japanese event, i expect something simmilar for PS4.
SolidSnakex
Member
I'd be very surprised if Japan didn't quickly switch from the PS3 to the Wii U. Nintendo's going to have three of the biggest series (in some form or another) ready for launch. Nintendo's shown that they're being very aggressive when it comes to securing those major third party games. Something that Sony hasn't really done in a long time. So Sony can't just expect gamers in Japan to stick with them until the PS4 eventually launches.
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