An often unremarked (partly because it goes against the reigning feminist narrative) structural unfairness between the sexes is the amount of effort the average man has to put into dating and relationships to keep them going, compared to the feeble efforts women usually expend on dating momentum and relationship management.
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But thanks to the wonders of game, men can limit their relationship energy requirements while maximizing the impact each unit of spent energy has on women’s interest levels.
Just transform yourself into a guy that has women seducing you. You dont have to do all this work
Ken you sure love the alpha/beta terminology though.
because it's really all that it boils down to at the end of the day. I find all this lingo and strategies legit interesting to read but it doesn't mean shit.
walk into a bar/club, you can spot out the alphas/betas in a second based on their body language, just like girls do instinctively. All this neg/"insert terminology" is just a waste.
Do you consider yourself an alpha?
because it's really all that it boils down to at the end of the day. I find all this lingo and strategies legit interesting to read but it doesn't mean shit.
walk into a bar/club, you can spot out the alphas/betas in a second based on their body language, just like girls do instinctively. All this neg/"insert terminology" is just a waste.
typical beta mindset.
I dont think it needs to be this scientific some techniques probably work but like any type of sales job the best way to become good at it is to keep getting rejected until the thought of being rejected doesnt even phase you. Women equate this with confidence.
Also never mind the fact that the alpha male/beta male dichotomy is largely considered to be outdated and inaccurate in the study of the species it's supposedly based on.
if you honestly believe alpha/beta is some outdated concept then I'm going to guess you haven't stepped foot in a bar or club before
if you honestly believe alpha/beta is some outdated concept then I'm going to guess you haven't stepped foot in a bar or club before
Hilarious assumptions.
because no place is the difference between alpha/beta more at display then a bar or club
Yeah "alphas" never get rejected. Nice little dichotomy you've set up to explain social interactions. So simple minded.
please quote me where I said that....I'm waiting
only an idiot would think anyone would insinuate alphas NEVER got rejected, that's like saying a professional basketball player never misses a shot, but would you think he's no better then the average joe playing ball?
stop jumping to extreme accusations to prove your point when you can't disprove mine
please quote me where I said that....I'm waiting
only an idiot would think anyone would insinuate alphas NEVER got rejected, that's like saying a professional basketball player never misses a shot, but would you think he's no better then the average joe playing ball?
stop jumping to extreme accusations to prove your point when you can't disprove mine
I don't really need to disprove it I'm wondering where the actual definitions come in and how someone can move from one to the other, or if they can, or if the terms are just some petty nonsense made up by people with agendas.
You kind of have to prove your own assertions with something more rigorous than "GO TO A BAR OR CLUB! IT'S OBVIOUS!" before sending other people on a quest to prove you wrong.
if both of you think my alpha/beta talk is wrong, then what do you think is right? (I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I'm legitimately asking)
The null hypothesis, of course. A certain subset of men having great luck with women in a certain setting under certain circumstances does not imply that the only possible classifications are that group and forever alone beta untermensch.
if both of you think my alpha/beta talk is wrong, then what do you think is right? (I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I'm legitimately asking)
As someone who's seen her fair share of great men stay single (either for the night or relationship-wise) or not (either by choice or not) I'd say it's much more complicated than any sort of system. Mostly I was amused at your hatred of PUA while while you were basically using the same gross oversimplification they do, except they're trying to sell something.
because no place is the difference between alpha/beta more at display then a bar or club
I don't hate PUA community, I think it's very interesting but also believe they are wrong. My "oversimplification" of alpha/beta stems from the fact that more often then not that's what it boils down to. And you say you know great guys who are single, who's to say a great guy can't be beta? And being alpha doesn't mean you get laid 100% of the time you go out, exaggerations like this are a waste of everyones time
Go where you feel comfortable, make friends, make sure you feel comfortable, have a good time and girls will notice you. From there you can, shocker, maybe meet girls.
PUA is a steaming pile of shit, with a few nuggets of wisdom. Good on you for getting in shape, that's half the battle. The rest is going to places that you like to go, not places that your friends like to go.
Ken don't bother. Devolution is not worth having a conversation with because you're never actually having a conversation, she just talks at you.
You are missing a huge point though and that is that maybe you shouldn't be hanging out at bars or clubs for the purpose of picking up women if that's where you feel less than adequate.
Really I'd ask anyone, why the fuck would you hang out somewhere where you feel like a schmuck?
And stop reading about this PUA shit it'll warp your brain. Don't you hate it anyway? You know about social status, you've seen it, that's where you need to stop your stupid study.
I'm gonna de-idiotize you (that's what PUA is, idiocy) and put it in normal people words.
Go where you feel comfortable, make friends, make sure you feel comfortable, have a good time and girls will notice you. From there you can, shocker, maybe meet girls. And when you're comfortable, you tend to flirt naturally without thinking about lines unless you had drill sergeant parents. And when you're comfortable you stop thinking about pecking order.
PUA is a steaming pile of shit, with a few nuggets of wisdom. Good on you for getting in shape, that's half the battle. The rest is going to places that you like to go, not places that your friends like to go.
I have friends that are true alphas though and it's all body language which will exude all the confidence in the world without having to say a damn word. It actually matters very little what you say in bars/clubs (unless you say something completely moronic). I see them walk into a bar in and I just can take a few steps back and I notice girls are turning heads looking at them and it's a wrap from there. It's all instinct for them, don't think, just act. I've seen them blow off 9s only to have the same girls fight for their attention later in the night.
When I entered college I was 50 pounds overweight and a beta nerd like you'd expect, never once had girls come to me or show any interest. I dropped 50 pounds in 5 months, mainly over the summer and I noticed a dramatic shift in how girls reacted to me. I went from a 6ft 4inch fat ass to a 6ft 4inch lean guy. At first I wasn't sure what was going on and seriously had no idea how to react when girls would approach me out of the blue. I was completely clueless. I couldn't comprehend that females actually for the first time in my life had an attraction to me. But as my confidence grew, my body language changed, and the way I talked to girls changed. Again, little to do with what's coming out of your mouth but more with how you're saying it.
This makes...no sense at all. You lost weight and looked better and girls started to be more interested in you. You were socially awkward because you were being expected to apply social skills you had never developed, and then you developed them. How does this have anything, at all, to do with alphas or betas? You weren't more successful because you changed your outlook, you were more successful because you changed your waistline.
Similarly, I don't think anybody would argue that confidence is attractive and important in developing relationships. But to go from that to some sort of alpha/beta theory is just absurd. It would be dignifying it to call it evolutionary psychology!
It has everything to do with alpha and betas. Let me ask you a question, do think alphas and betas are equally attractive to the opposite sex?
It has everything to do with alpha and betas. Let me ask you a question, do think alphas and betas are equally attractive to the opposite sex?
What if my beta is another girl's alpha? What then Ken, what then?
What if my beta is another girl's alpha? What then Ken, what then?
It's a ladder theory moebius strip!
There will be exceptions to everything. But I'm starting to see your brain can't grasp any matter that isn't a simple black or white issue
And go ahead and elaborate what "my beta" means
Alpha and beta is black and white. Oh the irony of insulting my intelligence on this one.
There will be exceptions to everything. But I'm starting to see your brain can't grasp any matter that isn't a simple black or white issue
And go ahead and elaborate what "my beta" means
She's got a point here Ken. Its what people are comfortable with.What if my beta is another girl's alpha? What then Ken, what then?
I never said it was a black or white issue, there will always be a grey area
But obviously fundamental reading comprehension doesn't seem to be one of your strengths. So unless you plan on elevating your IQ I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone like you
I'm still a beta at heart though, being most of your life a beta, you're not going to suddenly learn new instincts be something you're not. This PUA stuff is fun to talk about but not practical.