3TF GPU !!!11!... .
>.< Don't blame me for dreaming mang. I want both of these machines to be nothing short of beasts.
3TF GPU !!!11!... .
I think you should go back and re-read some of the older stuff I've posted. I've always said one thing, Sony is behind. In fact, I messaged BG before with the same notion if he's hearing the same thing, and he agreed with me.
Than again, GRAIN MEET SALT. This is all pure speculation, and nothing else. The idea of Sony launching later with inferior hardware is kind of silly. If MS were to launch later, I honestly believe they would take the extra time to target a higher performance out of the box as well.
If they both end up having something like 7700 in there, it won't matter if one of them is a 'supercomputer" or whatever. 7700 won't be much by late 2013 standards, that's for sure.
I mean I have seen no where that Sony is desperate to be the most powerful so they can have the best multiplatform ports. That came out of nowhere to me
Sony will do the wait and see approach. Bank on it.
The PS3 was a catastrophe of monumental proportions and we do not need to go down that road again. Economies of scale, large chip sizes, and foreign technology caused it to almost implode the PlayStation market.
Waiting for 2014, or six more months insures that whoever launches will be in a brand new architecture.
Have you seen the bullshit they've faced this generation from the likes of Bethesda, Rockstar, and Treyarch? The biggest fail of all was the Ghostbuster's PS3 title running on a engine designed around the PS3 with an abysmal performance compared to the 360. They do not want the same mistake again.
I sort of disagree with the logic here.
Investors won't care about minor spec advantages or disadvantages. I think if anything investors would be FAR more concerned about any significant headstart a competitor might have.
The only way investors would care about spec is if the product failed to generate buzz with the target market. By the sounds of it - if this rumour was true - the perf differences won't be particularly large. If either system is coming in a relatively small bit either side of the other, and the spec in the OP is a rough guideline as to what to expect (albeit with more RAM, hopefully), I think both will be enough to deliver very impressive software. And that's what people will be looking at - is this a 'next-gen' machine, does it deliver a jump, is the software exciting etc. etc. If investors are satisfied that people have welcomed a system as desirable, they will be happy about the spec.
Agree.Grain meet salt. After the stupid amount of people on GAF in the PSABR thread pretending to be someone, I find any information like this highly suspect. Lawsuit bonanza would be going on if any of the information he told you is true.
What I know is Sony is WAY behind. Spec's haven't been finalized, and they want to explicitly be more powerful than Durango to insure multiplatform ease and superior ports.
This fantasy portrait of Sony launching later with weaker specs is a hilarious suggestion.
If they both end up having something like 7700 in there, it won't matter if one of them is a 'supercomputer" or whatever. 7700 won't be much by late 2013 standards, that's for sure.
Have you seen the bullshit they've faced this generation from the likes of Bethesda, Rockstar, and Treyarch? The biggest fail of all was the Ghostbuster's PS3 title running on a engine designed around the PS3 with an abysmal performance compared to the 360. They do not want the same mistake again.
I think the differences between the two will not be game related. Remember there is a strong rumor that the Xbox 720 will have multiple SKUs and work as a Cable box DRV/ecosystem server in addition to a game console. Sony appears to be supporting the Home ecosystem with the NASNE.That same mistake wont happen regardless. Computer architectures are going in one direction on AMD's end, and oddly enough, it's very similar to the Cell (as in parallel). They'll be working with the same things for both companies, but working with some distinct differences between the two. Having the more powerful of the two will result in better 3rd party multiplats. There is no way to look at it differently.
Whoever launches later, Sony or MS, will have this advantage. Both cannot be targeting the same time frame. I predict a six month window in between launches. Both systems will be virtually sold out for the first year regardless.
This is the big gamble. Do you wait 6 months for things to cheapen up and insure yourself better third party development? Or do you launch first, reap early adopters, and have a headstart?
7700?! Meh. Very disappointing.
Nobody knows yet what will be in them, relax. All we know from unconfirmed sources is that modified 7xxx series will be used.
Whoever launches later, Sony or MS, will have this advantage. Both cannot be targeting the same time frame. I predict a six month window in between launches. Both systems will be virtually sold out for the first year regardless.
This is the big gamble. Do you wait 6 months for things to cheapen up and insure yourself better third party development? Or do you launch first, reap early adopters, and have a headstart?
Console development doesn't really work like that. A 6 month gap is unlikely to offer any notable increase in performance. It's not like they will still be changing specs at that point of the console's development.
Hardware next gen will be close enough IMO, whoever provides the better tools will likely see the better results.
It's like today's gamers forgot how Sony originally won over developers in the first place that led to their success.
It's like today's gamers forgot how Sony originally won over developers in the first place that led to their success.
Yeah but that was also thanks to better hardware also look at PS1 .
lulz, you do realize the PS2 was a nightmare to program for?
Also the pic you have showed came from a ex-developer (OK that's provocative) at a time when japanese dev community was flamboyant on consoles... exactly the contrary of today. Very different context.
Yeah but that was also thanks to better hardware also look at PS1 .
Sony really mess up with PS3 big time along with other factors that happen .
Sony was in the lead and by that point, if you wanted to be successful... You develop for the PS2. Sony tried that again with the PS3 and it didn't work out so well.
IMO it's hard to say the PS1 hardware was really better than the N64 but it still enjoyed more support thanks to better tools and a well balanced system.
falls right in line with the rumors I've heard about the chips being the same I can't find all the links right now but I kept this screen cap of one of the rumors.
yeah that's what i mean it was the much better balanced system compare to N64 and Sega Saturn .
Better tools along with stuff like CD drive and okay power compare to both systems .
True.
The current topic was about system performance and it seems some people are worried which system will be more powerful. My point is that both will likely be very very similar and it will come down to the tools instead of how powerful the specs look on paper.
Not correct.
If MS and Sony ends up with the same hardware like in the above quote, AMD will be in BIG trouble.
And ray tracer is nothing more than a fantasy.
Well they are a few factors which would make one system more powerful than the next that it could matter .
1. How much both MS and Sony willing to spend on there system . ( who willing to lose the most )
2 . Time of release ( 9 plus months afterwards )
3. One of them do some tech break threw .
I don't see any of them happening so it should come down to who has the better tools and dev preference .
So i do agree with what you are saying unless something strange happens .
Console development doesn't really work like that. A 6 month gap is unlikely to offer any notable increase in performance. It's not like they will still be changing specs at that point of the console's development.
Hardware next gen will be close enough IMO, whoever provides the better tools will likely see the better results.
Not correct.
If MS and Sony ends up with the same hardware like in the above quote, AMD will be in BIG trouble.
And ray tracer is nothing more than a fantasy.
Do you have your sources or are you just speculating?
PS4 sounds weak compared to the nextbox....as a PS fan, this news is really disappointing
PS4 sounds weak compared to the nextbox....as a PS fan, this news is really disappointing
Oh please!! Does anyone actually believe this??
I hope you guys are right but this isn't very reassuring. I just don't want substandard ports the next time around, I have missed out on too many good games that only ran well on Xbox 360. Nextbox having more ram might be a big hindrance when it comes to porting games.
If anything, it looks like the reverse of this gen where Sony will get a weaker CPU but a more powerful GPU. I'm also sure that developers would prefer a 4GB pool of fast GDDR5 memory over an EDRAM + slow DDR setup.PS4 sounds weak compared to the nextbox....as a PS fan, this news is really disappointing
Oh please!! Does anyone actually believe this?? You disappoint me NeoGAF
I hope you guys are right but this isn't very reassuring. I just don't want substandard ports the next time around, I have missed out on too many good games that only ran well on Xbox 360. Nextbox having more ram might be a big hindrance when it comes to porting games.
Please fill us in.
Oh please!! Does anyone actually believe this?? You disappoint me NeoGAF
"I know a guy who knows everything about this and that bla bla" You guys are too naive! Sorry, had to be said.
This guy is legit. There is a reason no one has second guessed him so far with the exception of thyself.