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Wii U's Miiverse - A Guide for Dummies

EatChildren

Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I agree, and I think it would be beneficial for those still a bit confused. I'd like to see a Nintendo Direct really cover just how everything works, particularly with some better examples of browsing the chat feed, operating video chat, and sharing game content. Like, exactly how it looks to take a screenshot, save it to a message, send it to a friend and have that friend open. Kind of just like a seamless, guided tour of all the features connected together.

A decent OS level screenshot tool would be pretty great.
 
A decent OS level screenshot tool would be pretty great.

Would love this. Especially with the gamepad you could write notes etc. on it.
Although I don't know how useful this would be for the 'mass market' but I suppose its a nice replacement of achievements since their not forced. Just post a picture of an event.
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
I agree, and I think it would be beneficial for those still a bit confused. I'd like to see a Nintendo Direct really cover just how everything works, particularly with some better examples of browsing the chat feed, operating video chat, and sharing game content. Like, exactly how it looks to take a screenshot, save it to a message, send it to a friend and have that friend open. Kind of just like a seamless, guided tour of all the features connected together.

A decent OS level screenshot tool would be pretty great.

I don't expect a decent OS level screenshot tool when it doesn't even look like there's proper OS-level voice chat.
 
I would expect all of this next week. I am more hyped about miiverse than anything else besides off-tv play

We also had a decent amount of info on the web browser in video form that could make a good thread. I could watch the video and take screen grabs and put the thread up with what Iwata said but not sure if this was thread worthy at the time.

Nintendo should also send these final retail units out for review sites. This would help
 

EatChildren

Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I don't expect a decent OS level screenshot tool when it doesn't even look like there's proper OS-level voice chat.

It's Nintendo, so I'm not going to rule anything out. Though I don't expect it.

I wonder if publishers tend not to be in favor of these given how games tend to look in actual screenshots.

If it's anything like the Wii's insane image image compression I doubt they will :p.
 

Glass Joe

Member
I don't expect a decent OS level screenshot tool when it doesn't even look like there's proper OS-level voice chat.

Nintendo mentioned sharing screen grabs in MiiVerse, so I imagine it's OS level. "Decent" might be up for interpretation but I'll bet it's there. There's 1 gig of memory reserved for the OS and if it's not for stuff like screen grabs and os-level voice chat, what would they need that much for?
 

Wiz

Member
Nice thread. Very excited for this. According to Reggie, this will be the killer app to Wii U similar to how Mii Plaza is to 3DS. I see myself going on Street Pass Mii Plaza just about every day, as well as Swapnote.
 

EatChildren

Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Nintendo mentioned sharing screen grabs in MiiVerse, so I imagine it's OS level. "Decent" might be up for interpretation but I'll bet it's there.

I suppose this could be contested by the Wii also offering image sharing via Mii messages. Same for the 3DS. But each requiring images be taken by a separate source. In the case of the 3DS that's okay as you have a camera (no screenshot tool though), and on the Wii it was reliant on photo modes from games (Prime 3, Brawl, etc).

Nintendo has said we can share screenshots, and we can clearly see an image attachment button, but I wonder how far it goes? Would be pretty great to have an OS level screenshot tool, of decent quality.
 

AndTAR

Member
I wonder if publishers tend not to be in favor of these given how games tend to look in actual screenshots.
I think that's a good point, considering the volume of bullshots sent to media - but I'm also thinking people would simply judge screenshots shown on their tv monitors less sternly, compared to if they saw them on pc screens. Kind of two different viewing environments, though not everyone has HDTV's with bad picture quality, of course..
 

majik13

Member
Nintendo mentioned sharing screen grabs in MiiVerse, so I imagine it's OS level. "Decent" might be up for interpretation but I'll bet it's there. There's 1 gig of memory reserved for the OS and if it's not for stuff like screen grabs and os-level voice chat, what would they need that much for?

yeah pretty sure screenshots is a part of miiverse system wide. you can share/post screens as part of the social aspect of miiverse.

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"select image"
 

Pharros

Member
I honestly cannot see Nintendo not implementing an OS level chat function through Miiverse or whatnot. They would not have overlooked that... Boy do we need some confirmations or an overview.
 
After getting a 3DS this year and discovering still many shortcomings when it comes to its online and even stuff like streetpass, I'm sure this will be equally half assed and crude. The whole half-hearted headset issue from today already confirms it in a way.

Though I am not interested in Miiverse, so that's a rather good thing in my eyes. I don't need these Mii abominations paved all over my singleplayer games map screens etc.
 
Where is that epic D-e-f- post when you need it? lol
After getting a 3DS this year and discovering still many shortcomings when it comes to its online and even stuff like streetpass, I'm sure this will be equally half assed and crude. The whole half-hearted headset issue from today already confirms it in a way.

Though I am not interested in Miiverse, so that's a rather good thing in my eyes. I don't need these Mii abominations paved all over my singleplayer games map screens etc.
I swear you are Amir0xs son.
 

ArynCrinn

Banned
I suppose this could be contested by the Wii also offering image sharing via Mii messages. Same for the 3DS. But each requiring images be taken by a separate source. In the case of the 3DS that's okay as you have a camera (no screenshot tool though), and on the Wii it was reliant on photo modes from games (Prime 3, Brawl, etc).

Nintendo has said we can share screenshots, and we can clearly see an image attachment button, but I wonder how far it goes? Would be pretty great to have an OS level screenshot tool, of decent quality.

I wouldn't think it could be too hard to implement something like that, or even a semi-DVR dependent on available space or resources for some games.

It'll be interesting to see how MiiVerse does with the casual crowd. Because theoretically if it became something huge for the platform Nintendo might be willing to regularly update it with tools and features we want, some we don't care about too though. And possibly third-parties integrating all kinds of software resources into MiiVerse, beyond what Nintendo would offer?
 

majik13

Member
I honestly cannot see Nintendo not implementing an OS level chat function through Miiverse or whatnot. They would not have overlooked that... Boy do we need some confirmations or an overview.

there is an OS level chat feature.Its listed on the side of the box. What exactly that entails is up in there. We saw video chat and message board type chatting ion the e3 vid. But we dont know if there is just voicechat or if it can work in the background and such, or only in the chat app.
 

AndTAR

Member
Only just noticed the 'spoiler' indicator. Thats a good feature.
Definitely, though trolls/etc. could of course simply deselect it, while being careful to avoid using profanty words that would trigger Nintendo's filters.

I guess some obvious kinds of spoilers could be worked into the filters, of course. Very interested in seeing how this will be handled, not to mention simply MiiVerse in general. I'm of the belief that the lack of information is due to development lagging behind, though I do hope I'll be proven wrong. Pre-launch Nintendo Direct can't be many weeks away now.
 
Nintendo Rep on Miiverse on GamerTagRadio 33mins in:

"Miiverse essentially is a social network, but designed and focused around just gaming. Where, when you were younger, when you were kids, I remember when I was a kid I would play video games a lot. In school, a lot of times what I would end up doing is, like, “Oh, I found this awesome secret in World 4″ or like, where people started finding, like, the secret pipes in new Mario Bros. or how to use the Flute in Zelda. Things like that. You’d share that frustration, where you had to find magazines or have to go talk to your friends in person.

The idea of that is taking that whole concept of where people can share that information, or your high scores, or what you’ve accomplished so far in certain games in this kind of centralized social network called Miiverse, where you’ll see different Mii characters and they’ll be gathered where the games are. Let’s say, like, Melvin for example just beat my Boost Rush Mode score, my time – he beat my time. So now I’m inspired now to get on and go “I’ve got to beat Melvin’s score” and keep pushing that way. Or you could say say “Melvin just beat World 8″ or whatever world in whatever game… I know I need to catch up to Melvin. And there’s things like that you’ll be sharing.

You can even share things, and post your own messages and… interact with each other in kind of a really enjoyable way… You also have the ability to do video chat with the GamePad, with its own camera built on top. You can video chat with anyone in the world who has another Wii U, and that’s all free, that’s all built-in to the system."


After getting a 3DS this year and discovering still many shortcomings when it comes to its online and even stuff like streetpass, I'm sure this will be equally half assed and crude. The whole half-hearted headset issue from today already confirms it in a way.

Though I am not interested in Miiverse, so that's a rather good thing in my eyes. I don't need these Mii abominations paved all over my singleplayer games map screens etc.

so no interest, hmm so pretty much no reason to have posted this here at all right?
 

watershed

Banned
Sounds good but the proof will be in the pudding. I predict there will be some obtuse design decision like you won't be able to directly reply to another post or quote it. I also predict it will take a ridiculously long time for Miiverse to come to the 3ds and smartphones. Remember how the 3ds eshop was supposed to be accessible on PC? Hasn't materialized yet.
 

EatChildren

Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Text message and image/data sharing is OS level and there from the get go.

Video/voice chat across Miiverse has been marketed, but how it works, the limitations, and if it will be there at launch are all unknown.

It'll be interesting to see how MiiVerse does with the casual crowd. Because theoretically if it became something huge for the platform Nintendo might be willing to regularly update it with tools and features we want, some we don't care about too though. And possibly third-parties integrating all kinds of software resources into MiiVerse, beyond what Nintendo would offer?

They've done a pretty okay job of updating the 3DS with new tools and features. Issue with the 3DS is it's all fragmented. Separate (and useless) app for friends. Separate app for messaging. Miiverse seems to try and integrate it all together into one big OS level thing. So even casuals will be connecting to it as long as they've got their Wii U connected to the internet.

Using it will be another matter, but even if they're not posting messages they should be seeing content, which might encourage them too.

Nintendo seems to really want to push it, so hopefully they keep it updated with new stuff. For example, I totally wouldn't be surprised if video chat didn't come at launch, but was patched in later.
 

Glass Joe

Member
It'll be interesting to see how MiiVerse does with the casual crowd. Because theoretically if it became something huge for the platform Nintendo might be willing to regularly update it with tools and features we want, some we don't care about too though. And possibly third-parties integrating all kinds of software resources into MiiVerse, beyond what Nintendo would offer?

It will be interesting how many even hook it up to WiFi in the first place. I know some use the Wii for Netflix, etc, but I bet not a lot bothered and U could turn out the same way. The first time the console is turned on, hopefully it will seek your wireless signal and prompt for the code, before letting you proceed to anything else. As opposed to digging into menus on your own to get it hooked up, that is.
 

majik13

Member
Definitely, though trolls/etc. could of course simply deselect it, while being careful to avoid using profanty words that would trigger Nintendo's filters.

I guess some obvious kinds of spoilers could be worked into the filters, of course. Very interested in seeing how this will be handled, not to mention simply MiiVerse in general. I'm of the belief that the lack of information is due to development lagging behind, though I do hope I'll be proven wrong. Pre-launch Nintendo Direct can't be many weeks away now.

I believe they have said other users can flag posts, I think there is an auto profanity filter, and then if it is flagged by a user, then it is moderated by nintendo.
 

Meelow

Banned
Technically Miiverse links with Nintendo Network that links to this!

Drb1A.png


Possible that Nintendo Land will have a demo day 1?
 

majik13

Member
Technically Miiverse links with Nintendo Network that links to this!

Drb1A.png


Possible that Nintendo Land will have a demo day 1?

is this a basic survey template? do all surveys have that option? Or only certain games?

edit: just checked, every game has that option. Even sing party which I assume requires the microphone to even play.
 
Technically Miiverse links with Nintendo Network that links to this!

Drb1A.png


Possible that Nintendo Land will have a demo day 1?

Sounds more than a demo; more like you can download the full title and 'trial' it...
But yeah I wouldn't be surprised at a lot of demos being available at launch.
 

deviljho

Member
Wara Wara... can't say enough about Miiverse.

It's going to be great to be able to have a hub for all the games in one central location with whatever user generated notes and content is available. Navigation and communication made easier with the touchscreen. Would like to know about the censoring system though, because doodles can be of noodles...
 
I wonder if publishers tend not to be in favor of these given how games tend to look in actual screenshots.

I doubt screens will be posted to Miiverse in full resolution though. They will probably be scaled down in resolution to half of that or something so they will look a lot better to the naked eye.

Good thread btw. Hopefully it explodes in the next week or so with new informaton.
 

zroid

Banned
I am pretty much expecting the "screenshot" feature of the Wii U will be hold up the GamePad and snap a photo of the TV screen.

it is a more literal execution of the term screenshot... to be fair :p
 

antonz

Member
Miiverse could be really amazing if they do it right. Just need to get us more info on it.

Side Note: NES came out in US 27 years ago today
 

D-e-f-

Banned
Wow, great opening post.

I'm looking forward to seeing Miiverse implementation in ZombiU and Darksiders 2. The feature will be amazing in games like those where there are so many secrets and side areas to explore.

None of these will (actively!) use Miiverse. The basic functionality is supported but the games themselves don't make use of it in any more involved way. So far, none of the launch games support it (Scribblenauts Unlimited was initially announced as doing so but was later moved to the "can't talk about that" bench). Only some of the eShop games are supposed to use it actively.

Nintendo need a 40 minute Nintendo Direct for only Miiverse without an actor and comedy silliness.

I would have no problem if Non-Specific Action Figure would host that.

Nintendo should really embrace the silliness they created there.


I don't expect a decent OS level screenshot tool when it doesn't even look like there's proper OS-level voice chat.

I wonder if publishers tend not to be in favor of these given how games tend to look in actual screenshots.

But it's there and we've already seen it:


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42268300&postcount=203

From the Japanese September 13 Nintendo Direct. Only thing that I don't get is why this is part of the browser interface (it was in the browser presentation).

Where is that epic D-e-f- post when you need it? lol

LOL you mean like this one? :D
 
Miiverse has to have been having on going beta tests for months now to get ready for launch. I cannot believe we are not able to crack Nintendo's secrets these days.

Why can't we get any leaks? even from the web based section of it.

www.miiverse.com should have gone live by now

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I presume that select image means selecting a screenshotted picture.

Maybe screenshots are an OS-level feature?
 

Kiryu

Member
If Wii U can have video/voice chat then will there be any app like Skype OR It is only for Wii U console owners to use?
 

The_Lump

Banned
If Wii U can have video/voice chat then will there be any app like Skype OR It is only for Wii U console owners to use?


So far they've said its between WiiU owners.

Technically no reason why 3rd party software can't work and I'd be shock if we don't get something down the line.....but, Nintendo ;)
 
Re-watched the Nintendo Direct video. Trying to get hyped for Wii U.

Yeah, I still don't get what's appealing about this at all. I only see a messy, busy social network grafted onto stuff that already works well.

Competing with other players for high scores? Okay, we have online leaderboards, rankings, downloadable Ghost data, etc.

Sharing secrets? Is this really going to be easier than just looking up what you want from GameFAQs.

Communicating with Friends? I suppose, but with Facebook and text messages on every phone why am I choosing to do this, when my iPhone is right next to me and reaches more friends.
 

Terrell

Member
I came into the thread hoping we had some new info. I leave disappointed. Can it just be November 18th already? Every day that passes makes it seem less and less likely we'll get an OS reveal in a Nintendo Direct or Iwata Asks.
 

luffeN

Member
It would be nice to be able to make groups / communities like on Steam so that we can have a GAF group. Will everyone sign up with his/her username from here or add a GAF handle? Should be easier to identify that way.
 
It would be nice to be able to make groups / communities like on Steam so that we can have a GAF group. Will everyone sign up with his/her username from here or add a GAF handle? Should be easier to identify that way.

Isn't that the conceptual problem with Miiverse though? Why wouldn't we just post in a GAF thread?
 

Yuripaw

Banned
Sharing secrets? Is this really going to be easier than just looking up what you want from GameFAQs.

Not everyone goes to sites like that. This is probably more an attempt to help new or less experienced players find the help they need. I mean, I could see something like MiiVerse being useful to someone like my Mom who loves animal crossing. Whenever they do put an AC on the Wii U, it'd be useful to her to send out a request on something like that rather than go to a site like gamefaqs and request help (which I've tried to help them do before)
 

japtor

Member
Re-watched the Nintendo Direct video. Trying to get hyped for Wii U.

Yeah, I still don't get what's appealing about this at all. I only see a messy, busy social network grafted onto stuff that already works well.

Competing with other players for high scores? Okay, we have online leaderboards, rankings, downloadable Ghost data, etc.

Sharing secrets? Is this really going to be easier than just looking up what you want from GameFAQs.

Communicating with Friends? I suppose, but with Facebook and text messages on every phone why am I choosing to do this, when my iPhone is right next to me and reaches more friends.
I think the last two are the big ones. While you can do those elsewhere, the reach and focus is different, particularly if you can filter down the messages. Like if you're having trouble on a boss of a certain level you might be able to keep the conversation limited to people experiencing the same segment, which would be more useful than asking around on a forum or Facebook where there'd be a lot of ambient noise from people not on the same segment or not playing the same game to begin with.

Of course that's all ideal and we all know how far Nintendo tends to be from that. But basically it'd be forums/FB where x% might be playing the same thing, vs Miiverse where you'd know what everyone (friends/strangers/the whole damn community) is playing and can focus on what you want.

edit: That said, forums would still be useful for actual discussion I think. If the Miiverse messages are limited in characters I could see it being more like Twitter or quick chat type discussion, but not necessarily conducive to more in depth stuff.
 

kitsuneyo

Member
NeoGAF: shaming professional game journalism for quite some time now

Great post, very helpful to have all the info in one place. Hope there's more to discuss soon.
 
None of these will (actively!) use Miiverse. The basic functionality is supported but the games themselves don't make use of it in any more involved way. So far, none of the launch games support it (Scribblenauts Unlimited was initially announced as doing so but was later moved to the "can't talk about that" bench). Only some of the eShop games are supposed to use it actively.



I would have no problem if Non-Specific Action Figure would host that.

Nintendo should really embrace the silliness they created there.






But it's there and we've already seen it:



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42268300&postcount=203

From the Japanese September 13 Nintendo Direct. Only thing that I don't get is why this is part of the browser interface (it was in the browser presentation).



LOL you mean like this one? :D
Lol yep like that.
 
I'm in two minds about the stuff being embedded in games. While its always fun to compare how you did with friends in something like Mario it kind of takes away from the experience when each level has a comment box telling you where the secret exit is.

Then again some people are good at giving hints without giving the answer away.

Its nice to revisit things with knowledge but having the knowledge itself lacks reward.

Still, I do wonder what interesting ways developers can insert this into games. Given scribblenauts characters can be shared hopefully that means it is like an online form of spotpass (something welcomed by those of us not living it metropolis).

As for unfinished at launch. Remember the News Channel not working on launch Wiis?

Another point I had not considered. Language. I assume friend posts will be in whatever they speak but public/selected posts will be system language.

It makes me think something like the PSO word select tool would be an interesting thought on some level. It wasn't mandatory in PSO either and I'm not sure if anyone used it really (it almost seems like players came up with their own language for things like quickly communicating their inventory in challenge mode; as time is of the essence in that).
 
I'm in two minds about the stuff being embedded in games. While its always fun to compare how you did with friends in something like Mario it kind of takes away from the experience when each level has a comment box telling you where the secret exit is.

Then again some people are good at giving hints without giving the answer away.

Its nice to revisit things with knowledge but having the knowledge itself lacks reward.

Still, I do wonder what interesting ways developers can insert this into games. Given scribblenauts characters can be shared hopefully that means it is like an online form of spotpass (something welcomed by those of us not living it metropolis).

As for unfinished at launch. Remember the News Channel not working on launch Wiis?

Another point I had not considered. Language. I assume friend posts will be in whatever they speak but public/selected posts will be system language.

It makes me think something like the PSO word select tool would be an interesting thought on some level. It wasn't mandatory in PSO either and I'm not sure if anyone used it really (it almost seems like players came up with their own language for things like quickly communicating their inventory in challenge mode; as time is of the essence in that).
Hopefully they give us an option to toggle miiverse hints on or off.
 
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