Yeah dude. Evilore totally got a bunch of free shit for his.
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Games Journalism! Wainwright/Florence/Tomb Raider/Eurogamer/Libel Threats/Doritos
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Yeah dude. Evilore totally got a bunch of free shit for his.
radioheadrule83
Banned
Ok just caught up with Rab's tweets..
EuroGamer, when Squeenix and Wainright have fully backed down once they realise they are only anally PRaping themselves by leaning on you, please reinstate Rab immediately!
Absolute disgrace.
EuroGamer, when Squeenix and Wainright have fully backed down once they realise they are only anally PRaping themselves by leaning on you, please reinstate Rab immediately!
Absolute disgrace.
I think its super sad really.
Wainwright is studying journalism.
Diablohead
Member
wow, just wow at the last couple of pages.
funkystudent
Member
Well its safe to say any chance of a serious journalism career is over but on the plus side threatening a publication to change a feature and getting a writer fired ....... She has a future in gaming PR. Seems she has enough experience and connections.
Also the MGS4 OT was great and had a lot of work put into it. Some people from Koji Pro where on gaf at the time and probably just wanted to thank the guy. I don't see the shady part since its just a fan being a fan and a game developer showing there support. I dont think it was ever a common thing. But I do think it was a good move for gaf to move away from the 7 post long monster OP's, it was getting a bit crazy.
Also the MGS4 OT was great and had a lot of work put into it. Some people from Koji Pro where on gaf at the time and probably just wanted to thank the guy. I don't see the shady part since its just a fan being a fan and a game developer showing there support. I dont think it was ever a common thing. But I do think it was a good move for gaf to move away from the 7 post long monster OP's, it was getting a bit crazy.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Gerstmanngate 2: Electric Bugaloo!
Its...it's like I've been saying: they themselves (Games Media Types) have on average lost the edge due to brain drain from getting older and the old skinny paycheck and freebies ain't cutting it considering the mortgage and a kid, ya know? Off to the PR firms! That's one strike against them for their readership.
Then you have the regurgitated PR and hobnobing with once-colleague-now-still-buddies in PR, letting that sweet, comforting echo chamber draw them in giving off that rank whiff of corruption, even if no money or goods changes hands, there's still social and mental manipulation going on. Strike two.
Then we have last DJs like Rab there getting no offers, no respect, or no support. Strike three! We're cynical!
The PR machine largely ignores us in kind in responce. Can't keep control of the message with this rabble ya know? Bad thing is about us isn't that we're ignored by most PR guys, it's the relatively casual audience. They get that Google link to a reputable (read: popular) website touting game's popularity and ego-coddling intangibles like "visceralness" which unbeknown to them is nearly lock-step with the PR releases. They have almost no filter to get the vested interest out of their 3rd party advise they go to for any expert take on the potential recipient of their $60+possible DLC! Madness!
Its...it's like I've been saying: they themselves (Games Media Types) have on average lost the edge due to brain drain from getting older and the old skinny paycheck and freebies ain't cutting it considering the mortgage and a kid, ya know? Off to the PR firms! That's one strike against them for their readership.
Then you have the regurgitated PR and hobnobing with once-colleague-now-still-buddies in PR, letting that sweet, comforting echo chamber draw them in giving off that rank whiff of corruption, even if no money or goods changes hands, there's still social and mental manipulation going on. Strike two.
Then we have last DJs like Rab there getting no offers, no respect, or no support. Strike three! We're cynical!
The PR machine largely ignores us in kind in responce. Can't keep control of the message with this rabble ya know? Bad thing is about us isn't that we're ignored by most PR guys, it's the relatively casual audience. They get that Google link to a reputable (read: popular) website touting game's popularity and ego-coddling intangibles like "visceralness" which unbeknown to them is nearly lock-step with the PR releases. They have almost no filter to get the vested interest out of their 3rd party advise they go to for any expert take on the potential recipient of their $60+possible DLC! Madness!
Freezie KO
Banned
For those interested in Klout and sites like it...
There is a growing (and now strong) movement in marketing to find Influencers. Influencers are those that have large twitter followings, popular blog posts, etc. within a given field. Companies of all fields find these Influencers and offer them hard or soft bribes and incentives to cover their products and services.
Influencers and such marketing are taken advantage of in everything you read. Your innocence is now lost.
There is a growing (and now strong) movement in marketing to find Influencers. Influencers are those that have large twitter followings, popular blog posts, etc. within a given field. Companies of all fields find these Influencers and offer them hard or soft bribes and incentives to cover their products and services.
Influencers and such marketing are taken advantage of in everything you read. Your innocence is now lost.
I'm too stupid to get the image to work directly but its the last one in this post. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43602594&postcount=1247
and this.
http://uk.linkedin.com/in/korinaabbott
Thanks, this thread is becomingly increasingly harder to follow with all that's being uncovered and although the dots were there I just wanted to make sure we had our ducks in a row.
Definitely fucking scandalous. HNGNHNNGNHNGUHH.
TheSpoiler
Member
She worked for The Sun. I'm sure she'll be fine.
Repost of my opinion:
I'd always go with the user OT's. Publishers making an OT will result in nothing but advertisement. I dont know about you, but I consider "advertisement" and "enthusiasm" two entirely different things. This also raises the question which GAF user impressions in those threads will be bought, which ultimately, are the ones you want to believe in.
Nono situation.
Its not about how he said it, its about his connections and that there are interest groups behind him that are interested in buying user posts.
Angry Fork
Member
Making a huge OT because you're a big fan of the franchise and then getting a thank you from the company afterwards is not the same as having a deal beforehand where they negotiate what to write as an OT in exchange for goodies.
MGS fans are obsessive I know I'm one of them, the OT for 4 was awesome. When it comes to big highly anticipated games like that it's not a big deal if there's a huge OT imo.
Are you talking about Geoff? The thread has moved way beyond that now.
MGS fans are obsessive I know I'm one of them, the OT for 4 was awesome. When it comes to big highly anticipated games like that it's not a big deal if there's a huge OT imo.
Are you talking about Geoff? The thread has moved way beyond that now.
not_so_special
Banned
That is why we have to talk. Finally And now, share some ice
you only need to follow people on the gamin press who started on some magazines an ended as pr on every company
there is a lot more,but that is a nice example
well you got now sites like ALFA BETA JUEGA on the spanish xbox dashboard,a new site who comes out of nowhere,it you do some detective work you can see the people who funded the site have strong relationship with pr from a lot of companies,every day they have some awesome contest with prices from ubi,ea,microsoft,etc
you got people like lidia lidia pitzalis (ms spain) courting every journo she can to do some shamefull promo videos for games like halo4,etc etc
Gotta love the occasional "this is old news" comment.
I haven't seen a single surpised reaction on this. Everyone knows this shit is happening since videogaming came to exist basically. Only once in a while, someone gets caught with their pants down and in this case it's also the delicious turn of events that leaves people flabbergasted.
I kinda feel bad for Wainwright. Sad in the sense that why couldn't she have known better.
He left on his own accord because EG edited his column under (no grounds) legal threat. I doubt he wants to go back. Also as a PR move some websites might be actively trying to hire him. I mean what an awesome move to hire the man who currently represents good journalistic values.
Diablohead
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The one main OT I have ever done (monday night combat) I did out of my own love for the game when it came out, never told uberent and never asked for anything, in fact I bought two of their 9inch figures they made last year and imported them because I wanted them.
Not everyone on gaf get's free swag, but it can be obvious from those who do sometimes.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
I can't find Mountain Dew flavored Doritos anywhere. Product placement fail.
This has been going on since the early days of MTV. Frontline did a great story on it called The Merchants of Cool. They actually talked about it on the Brodeo a couple of times.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
OT should just offer info about the game, sometimes they might read as PR material, but I don't have much problem with that either.
Dastardly Jerks
Banned
Well surely not having studied is completely necessary, but it does give you a basic idea of the theory behind proper journalism as well as covers ETHICS indepth, which is something that is sorely lacking from gaming media nowadays.
Huevos de Oro
Member
I just realized I'm the polar opposite of an influencer. A negative influencer, if you will. I have no followers, am not popular and my opinion is not respected at all.
When the game was fundamentally broken (online) they refused to have a mod change the thread title to reflect this. Despite people (SmokyDave for one) entering the thread complaining of the game being broken, long after those wo bought day 1 had realised.
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Boss Man
Member
Oh I agree that users should be making them. I was just talking about the idea that some people have gotten free stuff out of it. As long as an OT is an OT, I don't really see much room for manipulation.
Oh, nevermind then lol. Or, a mod should just be able to do that regardless...right?
not_so_special
Banned
brian crecente...respected? whaaaaa ? he is one of the worst,kotaku was the pinnacle for all this bullshit
Freezie KO
Banned
Arguably, marketing is just taking stuff that worked, giving it a catchy name, and then reselling it to companies who will pay for it.
TheSpoiler
Member
Doesn't mean that person will apply such knowledge. I'm sure people know not to do the wrong things, because most of it is common sense. Many of the people in my classes don't give a fuck about ethics, and they are getting internships left and right.
The real world ain't so nice.
Dakota47
Member
Have a Mountain Dew flavored Dorito cupcake.
That image keeps getting better and better.
Dastardly Jerks
Banned
So given that people who study journalism have actually been exposed to proper ethics and etiquette knowledge, it's now easier to separate the lame lambs from the sheep. One can claim ignorance when they fail at applying ethics and the other KNEW what they were doing and is a shitlord as a consequence.
funkystudent
Member
I think the polite way of saying what happened was he was asked to step down.
He probably didn't have much choice in the matter.
Did this some time ago. And yep. Almost everyone ended up being a PR guy.
Dastardly Jerks
Banned
Have a Mountain Dew flavored Dorito cupcake.
That's my Halloween costume this yr!
TheSpoiler
Member
You can't claim ignorance when you are working with a huge publication, have the access of the internet, and can talk with other people in the business.
I think this is more apt.
http://youtu.be/TPLpxtren14
This thread features some of the best Games Journalism Truth Drops ever written...and it's not even about games. Kind of sad.
Dastardly Jerks
Banned
Exactly.
So if you've studied, and still apply ethics, then you gain respect. If you haven't and you just claim ignorance, then you're just another shitlord in a void of talent-leeching and moneygrubbing.
not_so_special
Banned
yeah..he created one of the worst gaming sites on existence
Zombie James
Banned
What's the source of that Keighley picture?
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Where is that info coming from, speculation? Because it sure seems from this tweet that he voluntarily stepped down due to his ethical feelings:
I'm pretty sure an editor approved his article before he posted, and nothing in the article deems being fired over. Unless someone shows me where it says anywhere he was forced out, I'm going by his tweet.
Looks like he quit, and wasn't fired. That doesn't change much, but still it seems like people keep posting that his article got him fired.. that doesn't seem true.
yeah I'm pretty sure he chose to step down after they amended his article.
mugurumakensei
Member
Doesn't Lauren Wainwright post here? Should we not be supporting fellow gaffers?
Well, we also kicked Tony.
lol, not anymore.
Meus Renaissance
Member
Whilst we're all disappointed, we have to ask ourselves this: did gaming 'journalism' ever have much credibility in the first place?
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