TheBaronOfNA
Banned
I'm embarrassed to be gamer reading this,
Why? Is Publisher/PR/Editorial disaster but has nothing to do with the consumer or the enthusiast community (apart from the misogynist comments against Wainwright).
I'm embarrassed to be gamer reading this,
Yeah, seems like it. To say that her gaf posts are viral marketing seems like a big stretch as well
What the HELL is going on around here today?
Wait, people keep saying he was fired.
Didn't he quit?
Where is that info coming from, speculation? Because it sure seems from this tweet that he voluntarily stepped down due to his ethical feelings:
I'm pretty sure an editor approved his article before he posted, and nothing in the article deems being fired over. Unless someone shows me where it says anywhere he was forced out, I'm going by his tweet.
Looks like he quit, and wasn't fired. That doesn't change much, but still it seems like people keep posting that his article got him fired.. that doesn't seem true.
No, he was 'dismissed'.
No, he was 'dismissed'.Well, Gerstmann also "quit," right?
Yeah same thing happens at retail all the time. Guy walks in ask if game is good, clerks tell him it's great just to get a sale. Same thing in a much larger scale. Honestly we could all see the way the system was set up long before this. Goes hand in hand with people loving games they are good at and hating games they suck at. Hype men are the ring leaders of the people that love said game. Thats how I see it. Great article and thumbs up to those involved.
This is a complex issue, but I think Keighley does good work ultimately. He has multiple jobs, and fulfills them differently depending on the intent. His Final Hours articles are excellent, they intend to document the final tumultuous periods game development, and does so faithfully I believe. The fact he is also this softball throwing shill on some crappy TV program doesn't affect my perception of his serious work.
It might be British a thing, but many of our journalists are also entertainment personalities, and while it might be seen as dissonant, it feels quite natural after being surrounded by it.
As for the aftermath of the image, I think everyone agrees that the relationship between media and the publishers is broken, but I also don't see it really sustaining long term. Publishers are fixated on pushing the AAA titles, fewer, bigger release per year, mastering the effectiveness of their marketing. They won't need the press, until they do, they'll abuse them as much as they're abused, much like their relationship with retail. It will work itself out in time. It won't ever go away, but it'll stop mattering as purchase advice. It hasn't mattered what the cinema press has said for decades, and it barely matters what the game press say now.
Gears of War is defiantly a 10. Gears of war 2 though is like a 3. One of the worst sequels of this generation. Gears of War could have been way huger than it is if they stuck with what made the first one fuck awesome.
This is a complex issue, but I think Keighley does good work ultimately. He has multiple jobs, and fulfills them differently depending on the intent. His Final Hours articles are excellent, they intend to document the final tumultuous periods game development, and does so faithfully I believe. The fact he is also this softball throwing shill on some crappy TV program doesn't affect my perception of his serious work.
The Kryll automatically make Gears 1 a 7/10.
Does she really think that's gonna work? or maybe SE asked her nicely to stop working for them lol.
It matters where the Oscars are going to. And as a matter of fact, would the Oscars be as bad as the Video-Games awards hosted by our dear journalist Geoff Keighley ( I know, I know. Geoff Keighley a journalist, a bad joke.) Twillight and Transformers would be the only ones with hope for winning a award.
This industry needs to grow up. And show some backbone.
I agree. Unlike in mathematics, positives and negatives of a person's work don't cancel each other but become different facets of it.
I too enjoy reading gaming news (Steve Bauman for example is highly respected imo, as is Brian Crecente), however it's actual news that comes from actual credible journalists who have more than 'gaming' under their belt.
Here's how you can tell a good journalist from a "video game journalist":
- Their list of credentials involve more than gaming websites and blogs.
- They actually studied journalism.
- ???
- Actually, that's pretty much it.
The internet has no class. And she upset the internet.Call her out on her BS, but do it like Rab did, with a bit of class and in a way that actually stimulates discussion.
VGAs are more like the MTV Movie Awards, DICE and GDC hold much greater reverence within the industry.It matters where the Oscars are going to. And as a matter of fact, would the Oscars be as bad as the Video-Games awards hosted by our dear journalist Geoff Keighley ( I know, I know. Geoff Keighley a journalist, a bad joke.) Twillight and Transformers would be the only ones with hope for winning a award.
This industry needs to grow up. And show some backbone.
The Oscars are currently also in a really bad state and the credibility is also fragile. Of course, is not horrible like the Spike Video Game awards but is safe to say that being in the same cultural status in this day and age is difficult specially in a industry where personalities are not as recognized.
And a couple of these facets need to be called out. Simple as fuck.
VGAs are more like the MTV Movie Awards, DICE and GDC hold much greater reverence within the industry.
From what I've heard of her, she is.
The internet has no class. And she upset the internet.
Someone told Klepek he was glad his father died because now he was spending less time on Giantbomb. And he didn't even do anything other than being himself...
Okay. I don't see any contradiction with what I said.
Why are there people haranguing this single person as though she is now suddenly a bad writer and bad at her job, when there's at least 20 people who did the exact same thing she did but just weren't called out in that article for doing it?
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Yeah, but VGA gets way more exposure, and DICE and GDC are not even taken in consideration within the average forum gamer
Man, the margin for error is slimmer than ever on the Internet. This thing blew up in a matter of hours!
The VGA's are still on Spike though. I can't imagine the ratings are all that great since it's on a pretty niche, basic cable channel. GDC and DICE are actually good award shows, but they choose to stream them on the web because they probably realize they'd get lower ratings than even the VGA's. Half the reason people watch the VGA's is for the trailers and reveals. Everything else is usually a train wreck or the man child equivalent of the Nickolodeon Viewers Choice Awards.
Why are there people haranguing this single person as though she is now suddenly a bad writer and bad at her job, when there's at least 20 people who did the exact same thing she did but just weren't called out in that article for doing it?
Threatening to sue a publication for insinuating something that turned out to be true is a pretty large error
So, will Wainwright get banned now or is that not conclusive enough evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt?
When were those posts and how long has she been a TR PR machine?
Yeah, but VGA gets way more exposure, and DICE and GDC are not even taken in consideration within the average forum gamer
So, will Wainwright get banned now or is that not conclusive enough evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt?
When were those posts and how long has she been a TR PR machine?
So a fanboy writing about their favorite series. I'm sure that's going to lead to objective accurate articles
There's some disappointing comments in this thread worth weighing in on. Specifically, those who have dismissed the controversy because it's just "games journalism" and not worth further consideration because it's about toys.
Film was once looked on in this way. It was juvenile. Made for the poor masses and below any serious study. Then people started seeing the impact moving images could have and movies started invoking new emotions in their audiences. Do we not see the same in breath of themes in video games? And at a faster pace than in film?
Of course, if we chose to regard video games as mere toys then we'll likely repeat the same mistakes as those who disregarded the impact of early film.
The film industry eventually got thoughtful critics like Pauline Kael who pioneered film journalism. There are already some excellent writers like Tom Bissel who are doing this. There needs to be more.
Eventually, film critics did begin winning Pulizter prizes. For writing about movies. Even sports journalists who are possibly the closet the video game reporters in that they're typically enthusiasts are honored with the same award won by those who covered the Gulf War and life in Haiti. Should we not too demand the same level of thoughtfulness in the industry we enjoy?
There are strong stories out there worth telling. From the often deplorable working conditions of those who make the games we love possible to how a studio's vision can be too ambitious and come crashing down and taking taxpayers with in. We need well-trained journalists to deliver these deserving stories.
Not demanding that kind of quality has enabled the kind of thing that has gone down during the past two days. Boiled down, video games may just be toys, but they're also a growing medium that continue to become more and more important to our cultural identity. That makes them worth writing about and giving serious consideration. This buddy-buddy club that has journalists in bed with PR and publishers undermines that, and it should be rooted out. So cheers to guys and gals like Rab Florence who see the state of things and do not so easily except them and let all us readers do the same.
What can change the nature of a man?Cant a man evolve?
The problem is not Wainright. The problem is that someone can wrote Public Relations pieces for their company and they are published as articles on sites such as IGN. Their credibility has gone down the river.
Am I alone in feeling sorry for just about everyone involved - and wishing this could have been discussed in a less defamatory manner?