For GTA V I'll allow it. I'm actually pretty hyped for the return of GTA although I'd have preferred for them to just jump to next-gen and get some work in so next-gen GTA doesn't have to come out mid next-gen.
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Game Informer Revealing GTA V in November
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For GTA V I'll allow it. I'm actually pretty hyped for the return of GTA although I'd have preferred for them to just jump to next-gen and get some work in so next-gen GTA doesn't have to come out mid next-gen.
GlamFM
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They announced that they will announce the release date this weekend, latest on monday.
I hope they're planning a Trailer 2, too.
Raptomex
Member
What?
bluedeviltron
Member
Lol, this guy.
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
Well what was the last GTA you've played?
Misanthropy
Member
I'm sorry am I missing something? I thought GTA 5 was confirmed a long time ago due to the whole trailer last december and such.
ChimpBottle
Member
That's because there hasn't been one for 4 and a half years. But people don't forget a game of such an amazing calibre.
True, but the cover story means some actual new info is on the way next month.
We did indeed get that trailer you mentioned, but that was a year ago. Since then R* has put out a whopping 12 screenshots.
There seem to be quite a few people convinced that GTA has lost steam in terms of public interest, i've read such comments of GTAforums, too.
It'll be interesting to see how it pans out in the end, but anything related to GTAV on the R* newswire gets a lot of comments in a few hours, compared to other (Max Payne 3?) games related news.
It'll be interesting to see how it pans out in the end, but anything related to GTAV on the R* newswire gets a lot of comments in a few hours, compared to other (Max Payne 3?) games related news.
Buckethead
Banned
That's just nonsense UR.
GAF is just cynical and stupid most of the time.
The trailer thread went 43 pages.
Each of the screens ones went 10.
(100 posts per page)
GAF is just cynical and stupid most of the time.
The trailer thread went 43 pages.
Each of the screens ones went 10.
(100 posts per page)
Buckethead
Banned
Yeah, i think some of it, is for the bitterness due to the lack of info (especially on GTA related communities) and some of it for the GTA4 backlash.
At the same time, there seem to be a lot of expectations on this game, seeing how it returns to San Andreas/Los Santos, home of the most beloved (and distant from GTA4) entry, so i feel like it may be a make it or brake it kind of deal.
That said, i do realize that the perception of gaming you get from GAF, is not the faithful representation of the public at large.
Buckethead
Banned
I understand their point because after San Andreas, they made Liberty and Vice Stories and there was a general feeling of malaise and apathy about Grand Theft Auto but when they showed things off for IV everyone got really excited again.
Of course IV is controversial and I won't air my opinion on it here but it still sold like gangbusters and people play it online to this day.
Then the DLC came out which was similar to LCS and VCS in the sense that it was "more of the same".
Rockstar once again rightly saw that things needed to be refreshed, hence the "bold new direction" that we've heard about.
So in short, I expect people to oscillate back to hype mode once the media blitz begins next month.
Whether it delivers on the hype remains to be seen but I fully expect the hype to carry through and for it to sell amazing (even break records).
Of course IV is controversial and I won't air my opinion on it here but it still sold like gangbusters and people play it online to this day.
Then the DLC came out which was similar to LCS and VCS in the sense that it was "more of the same".
Rockstar once again rightly saw that things needed to be refreshed, hence the "bold new direction" that we've heard about.
So in short, I expect people to oscillate back to hype mode once the media blitz begins next month.
Whether it delivers on the hype remains to be seen but I fully expect the hype to carry through and for it to sell amazing (even break records).
But even assuming the "bold new direction" wasn't just vapid PR talk (which it probably was) i'm not sure the direction R* is (stubbornly?) heading is the one a lot of fans want.
They seem more and more concerned in creating incredibly alive and detailed game worlds, with (often obnoxious) politically charged satirical stories, something that wasn't as prevalent in the SA days.
Even Max Payne 3 is littered with the typical and more recent R* social message, about Americans and the poor and the immigrants and so forth.
Satire was always present but not in this self-righteous manner, as it has been since GTA4, taking itself rather seriously.
And despite what the fans do or do not want, it seems to me Dan Houser and R* in general want to stick with this, love it or hate it.
Despite being a gargantuous company, with (allegedly) inhumane corporate policies, they seem to retain a certain artistic integrity (which doesn't mean their art is necessarily good, btw) so i'm left wondering if this will keep clashing with those fans that, instead, ask for a more Saint's Row kind of approach to the genre.
And so there are no misunderstandings, i'm waiting for GTAV like water in the desert, so i'm not bashing the game or anything.
They seem more and more concerned in creating incredibly alive and detailed game worlds, with (often obnoxious) politically charged satirical stories, something that wasn't as prevalent in the SA days.
Even Max Payne 3 is littered with the typical and more recent R* social message, about Americans and the poor and the immigrants and so forth.
Satire was always present but not in this self-righteous manner, as it has been since GTA4, taking itself rather seriously.
And despite what the fans do or do not want, it seems to me Dan Houser and R* in general want to stick with this, love it or hate it.
Despite being a gargantuous company, with (allegedly) inhumane corporate policies, they seem to retain a certain artistic integrity (which doesn't mean their art is necessarily good, btw) so i'm left wondering if this will keep clashing with those fans that, instead, ask for a more Saint's Row kind of approach to the genre.
And so there are no misunderstandings, i'm waiting for GTAV like water in the desert, so i'm not bashing the game or anything.
I don't and it probably will (going by the trailer) but i think GTA4, RDR and Max Payne 3 all showed this element that i hadn't noticed in previous R* productions.
I'm currently playing all three games in these weeks, and it's very strong, this
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Buckethead
Banned
I think it's about all about balance.
I mean that in two contexts: the first that they need to strike a balance between a compelling story and fun gameplay and secondly that they need to balance cutscenes and gameplay driving the narrative forward.
IV was out of balance in both regards.
Also the "what the fans want" holds little sway with me, if they keep making wackier games, you'll see diminishing returns in sales.
And of course this even fails to mention artistic integrity - what the artist wants to create.
I mean that in two contexts: the first that they need to strike a balance between a compelling story and fun gameplay and secondly that they need to balance cutscenes and gameplay driving the narrative forward.
IV was out of balance in both regards.
Also the "what the fans want" holds little sway with me, if they keep making wackier games, you'll see diminishing returns in sales.
And of course this even fails to mention artistic integrity - what the artist wants to create.
TheVampire
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It should look next gen on a maxed out PC hopefully.
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Deleted member 22576
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They really just need to make sure it has momentum. GTA needs to be like watching Homeland or The Wire. Sandbox games are a dime a dozen, and many of them have more expressive sandboxes than GTA. When playing GTA you need to want to play the next mission as badly as you want to see the next episode of LOST. Its been a while since I've played GTA4, but I did not finish it. In fact, the only GTA I've finished was GTA3. And Vice City, kind of but I did it with cheats and it took like 18 months. I will be there at 12;:01 when it unlocks on steam.
Uhm, regardless of its tone, i think R* is pushing elements that most of the fan base do not really care for and never asked for (and are indifferent towards).
And the only reason to do this, on their part, is either for artistic integrity or to rank up some artistic cred, or both.
After San Andreas i don't know how many fans were asking to hear the tragic tale of the immigrant tricked by the American Dream, considering up until then it was all a matter of one upping on the sheer content: bigger map, more vehicles, more activities, etc..
And since GTA4 they did retcon, putting more fun stuff in BoGT etc, but they didn't really completely backtrack; if you take RDR, it's still an incredibly grounded game, with a lot of dull moments sustained mostly by a very strong atmosphere.
As for me personally, i do think the writing gets obnoxious in all three games, as their social commentary and American self loathing is very on the nose and redundant, but i also like their approach in world building, which is very unique and passionated.
For me, GTA is about virtual tourism as much as it is about wreaking havok and player freedom, and i'm not alone in this, still, i wish they would learn to be more subtle with their stories and get their priorities straight.
If swimming is cut from the game because "out of character", then i have a problem (RDR)-- it's a matter of balancing the two elements.
I agree with this, and maybe you're right in that, the change of direction with GTA4, was probably them playing the long game, for the reason you mentioned (diminishing returns).
Still a weird, bold move.
Buckethead
Banned
I agree 100% which means fewer missions with more content/depth to them.
It's also why the driving needs auto-assist/improvements to the physics system.
Driving is the #1 core conceit of the game, second only to shooting.
If you aren't having fun driving (regardless of how real, whatever the suspension may be) your game is fucked.
Let all the side stuff be option (I don't need a fucking "play pool" tutorial mission).
If people are too dumb to figure it out, they have the internet. If not tough shit.
P.S. Make these side activities more fun.
A while after I got into Breaking Bad, I realized it'd be the most compelling crime drama I'd see for very likely many years and that, that meant GTA Vs wouldn't likely compare. And that makes me a little sad.
not a graphics thing. A game like GTA would be great to show off new technologies, specially in sandbox games. Better AI, more detailed world, etc. We'll just have to wait for 6
I'm not so sure if the shift after San Andreas goes against what most fans want. And even if it is, I think there's still an audience for it. It may be somewhat of a different audience from the PS2 days, but that's okay in my opinion. Can't please everyone.
If interest in their games had dropped off a cliff after GTA IV then they probably would have to take a long look at what they're doing. But their very next game after GTA IV garnered a lot of acclaim and was a huge success financially.
(not to say there's zero crossover, I'm someone who loves both IV and the PS2 trilogy)
If interest in their games had dropped off a cliff after GTA IV then they probably would have to take a long look at what they're doing. But their very next game after GTA IV garnered a lot of acclaim and was a huge success financially.
(not to say there's zero crossover, I'm someone who loves both IV and the PS2 trilogy)
It'll be a good Swan Song, man.
I think i've waited long enough for a new GTA and making it next gen would mean starting with the basics all over again.
Of course, the console version won't be too hot, but at least this one it's coming to PC, unlike some other game.
I'm in the same boat.
A lot of people like to look at GTA with rose tinted glasses though, they forgot how simple and bad the combat was for past GTA's.
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I think the "serious" (honestly, it wasnt that serious at all) nature of GTA4 is directly caused by the fidelity of the city/graphics. Those PS2 games literally looked like cartoons.
yeah i'll take what I can get
It'll be a pre-order incentive, just you watch!
I'm such a GTA fanboy that even those old games are still to fun to me. You're right, though. Certain aspects of those games haven't aged well.
True.
This has been debated to death and I know many, many people will disagree with me here, but I really didn't find GTA IV to be overly serious. I thought there was still some pretty silly shit in there and it was still fairly over the top, but that's just me.
SRTtoZ
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Dont mind him, he's still in shock over the Yankees postseason collapse.
Ok. I see what you're trying to say UR.
And maybe you're right. Maybe not. I have always loved the way they criticized American society and stuff. That is one of the main things I love about GTA. I guess we're just going to have to wait and see. Maybe GTA V will change some of the stuff you mentioned in a positive way.
And maybe you're right. Maybe not. I have always loved the way they criticized American society and stuff. That is one of the main things I love about GTA. I guess we're just going to have to wait and see. Maybe GTA V will change some of the stuff you mentioned in a positive way.
SolidSnakex
Member
That was part of it, but definitely not the only reason. The moment many of us realized that they were going for a different tone was when someone from Rockstar (I believe it was Sam) said that they weren't going to include bicycles in GTA4 because it was hard to imagine that Niko would ever ride one. That was the moment that they made it clear that they were taking an approach that they never had before with the series. Before it always seemed like they were just looking to include things so that we could have fun. Why else would they include something like jetpacks in San Andreas? It was very goofy, but a lot of people had fun with it. And that was the whole point.
Windom Earle
Member
GTA losing steam lolol
Oh, the older GTA's still definitely charming and extremely fun to play to this day. But Rockstar really has taken huge strides with combat in their games.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...-gta-v-to-launch-digitally-on-november-8.aspx
Nice.
edit: Damn you ssx.
Nice.
edit: Damn you ssx.