I just wish they don't do 'chan' or 'san' with english voice.
Please.
Please just stop it. Just say nanako.
Isn't that Yukari scene supposed to be a demenstration of the power of the Lovers shadow and that they overcome it? also the rest of it, like the high cut armor/battle panties and the security camera footage are all added in rereleases such as FES and Portable. I really feel like there are two groups of Persona fans and this fanservice splits them.
Bullshit. The bikini is fan service pure and simple, the same effect could have been achieved by having her advertising something dressed in "super cute" idol clothes. The bikini was used for the same reason as the new scenes, fanservice. The mental gymnastics that people are going through to try and differentiate between the old and new fan service is as sad as it is amusing. It feels like a lot of posters cant accept the fact that they liked/didnt notice the old fan service so they feel the need to create artificial distinctions from the new fan service. Grow up.
Alternatively, just include the Japanese voice track.I just wish they don't do 'chan' or 'san' with english voice.
Please.
Please just stop it. Just say nanako.
"Resort" to what? I'm pretty sure it's there for the fans they already have. It's just supposed to be fun.Not quite forgiving them or anything, cuz its sort of sad that they had to resort to that kind of fanservice, but aren't they mostly all legal in Japan or something?
Alternatively, just include the Japanese voice track.
Nope. It was necessary regarding her story. (Vanilla P4 spoilers)Rise's story is about how nobody knows the real her, and everyone just sees her as this sex symbol, right? If she was dressed in 'super cute idol clothes' it wouldn't have been conveyed the same. The ad is there to make her look like an air-head who wears skimpy clothing, because that's all anyone cares about.
Also telling people to grow up doesn't make sense within this context, but it does make you look like a bit of an ass.
Hmm.
what an odd title
There has been 10s given to games this year.
Alternatively, just include the Japanese voice track.
I don't see a single word about the dub there.How did I know i'd find you in this thread bitching about the dub?
Here's some screenshots of the new shameless fanservice scene discussed above. Links because kind of NSFW and also spoilery I guess.
Oh no! Anonymous internet man thinks Im an ass! Again, bullshit, you can easily portray her as a sex symbol/ditzy showbiz personality without using something as fan servicey as a bikini. The grow up was because so much of this smacks of people suddenly embarassed that they liked something with fanservice stuff in it, hope that contextualises for you as weve all learned in this thread context makes everything all right (the entire argument is fucking stupid anyway both the new and old fanserivce are miniscule parts of 80+ hour games).
If you actually believe that to be true about the game and its characters, then I don't see how one new scene is going to change that one bit. It's not like they are removing anything.I'm actually rather upset by this for two reasons. The Persona has a very decent female fan population, do pandering to the male fans like this kind of gives them the finger somewhat.
Bigger than that, though, one of the reasons I loved P4 so much was that I felt its cast stood above your stereotypical anime groupings. The characters felt stronger (in design and depth), didn't just play to tropes or fetishes, and every member of the female cast felt like more than just "love interest for main character",
Sure, maybe I'm overly sensitive on this, but stuff like those new bathhouse scenes work to cheapen all of that.
I'm actually rather upset by this for two reasons. The Persona has a very decent female fan population, do pandering to the male fans like this kind of gives them the finger somewhat.
Bigger than that, though, one of the reasons I loved P4 so much was that I felt its cast stood above your stereotypical anime groupings. The characters felt stronger (in design and depth), didn't just play to tropes or fetishes, and every member of the female cast felt like more than just "love interest for main character",
Sure, maybe I'm overly sensitive on this, but stuff like those new bathhouse scenes work to cheapen all of that.
If you actually believe that to be true about the game and its characters, then I don't see how one new scene is going to change that one bit. It's not like they are removing anything.
Are there any new gameplay additions in this, like new dungeons or bosses or what not?
One new dungeon and one new boss. They look nice, but they're a bit of a chore to play through. (Non plot-related spoilers)They take place at the end of the game, so by that time you're crazy powerful. They tried to artificially add difficulty by making it so that after every fight your SP is halved. You also lose all your weapons, armor, items and costumes. You find equipment that restores your SP a bit as you go through the dungeon. It also has forced battles, which is really lame.
If you're needlessly aggressive, then it devalues your argument. It's just common sense.
And if that doesn't bother you, then that means the discussion is redundant as you're arguing for the sake of arguing, which devalues it even more. It is also rather lame.
But sure, swear more, get mad. I think you're starting to convince me.
ah, sounds like your typical bullshit bonus dungeon then.
Spare me from your sad attempt to sidestep the points being raised. Whether it bothers me or not has nothing to do with whether its fanservice or not. The discussion was never whether it bothered people or not it was whether it was fanservice or not, and to comment on that all one needs is a set of eyes and the ability to draw basic conclusions. Im not arguing for the sake of arguing Im arguing that the games have always had fanservice of exactly the same stripe and with as much "context" as the new stuff. You can tell this by reading what I wrote and seeing how I made points as opposed to what you're doing - trying to derail the discussion by misrepresenting what's been written. I've no interest in trying to convince you of anything, because based on your posting history in this and other threads (as well as the general fact that convincing someone out of a wrong opinion on the internet is a tall order) its pointless. I'm merely offering a counterpoint to your incorrect protestations that the new fan service is of a different order to what was already there.
Bullshit. The bikini is fan service pure and simple, the same effect could have been achieved by having her advertising something dressed in "super cute" idol clothes. The bikini was used for the same reason as the new scenes, fanservice. The mental gymnastics that people are going through to try and differentiate between the old and new fan service is as sad as it is amusing. It feels like a lot of posters cant accept the fact that they liked/didnt notice the old fan service so they feel the need to create artificial distinctions from the new fan service. Grow up.
ah, sounds like your typical bullshit bonus dungeon then.
I've already explained the difference, as have other posters, and if you still can't wrap your puny brain around it, it has nothing to do with "mental gymnastics." Jesus. Take a high school literature class or something. Learn how to think about a story.
Why would they be? I'm a bit confused.
I'm actually rather upset by this for two reasons. The Persona has a very decent female fan population, do pandering to the male fans like this kind of gives them the finger somewhat.
Bigger than that, though, one of the reasons I loved P4 so much was that I felt its cast stood above your stereotypical anime groupings. The characters felt stronger (in design and depth), didn't just play to tropes or fetishes, and every member of the female cast felt like more than just "love interest for main character",
Sure, maybe I'm overly sensitive on this, but stuff like those new bathhouse scenes work to cheapen all of that.
Tut, tut I thought we were meant to be civil. No, you didnt "explain" it, you tried to justify it, which is different. It's not that I couldnt understand your "explanation", it's that I disagreed with it because it was poorly thought out and sadly naive. And I do so hate to be this guy, but the fact that your go to example for "higher education" is high school really tells me all I need to know about why your "explanation" was so tediously superficial.
Figured with the additions of other stuff and Marie that some SLs would change a bit.
I'll take bonus dungeon gimmicks over endless hallways and 2x2 square rooms any day. It did kind of make the game drag on too long, though. But not as much as the real last dungeon.
"Resort" to what? I'm pretty sure it's there for the fans they already have. It's just supposed to be fun.
This is such a non-issue.
Nah, they're all the same as far as I remember.
I think I would have enjoyed it more if it was in like July. By the end of the game I was insanely high-levelled, and even if I wasn't, Rise made me just about invincible. The gimmicks would have created more challenge then, and the forced battles would have alleviated some of the later grinding.
Nah, they're all the same as far as I remember.
Also it's become incredibly clear from your posts in this thread and others that you're really not worth acknowledging. So this will be my last time responding to your bullshit.
So I am taking this in the way that I should avoid doing Rise's S Link, at what levels does she give you things?
No idea. All I know is that she does random super-buffs every now and again, also deflects a fatal blow, and also revives you once per battle if you die.
Was thinking the same thing.. I think the dude doesn't know how many 10s Ocarina of Time got back then...
Here's some screenshots of the new shameless fanservice scene discussed above. Links because kind of NSFW and also spoilery I guess.
http://i.imgur.com/R47yI.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/unF0D.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/C3zxS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SmaYs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/S9vcU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/n4cY9.jpg
I heard someone say once that Nyx charmed Yukari and she used Diarahan on him when he was about to die. That's hilarious. That luckily never happened to me even with Yukari in my party.
Why is this thread so negative!? We went from the Xenoblade stuff, to people being upset over a bit of fanservice. Is the bathscene the only blatant fan service in the new content?
Smh. I really hate these kind of creepy scenes. P4 in general has more of that ~kawaii*blush*~ nonsense than P3 and I hate it.
Lol, that happened to me. I gave up and I still haven't gone back. So demoralizing.
So she has no ass....I'm disappointed...
You expected curves on those deformed models?
It doesn't get classier than this ladies and gentlemen.
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/... 4/Persona 4 the Golden/2012-07-28-105641.jpg
It doesn't get classier than this ladies and gentlemen.
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/... 4/Persona 4 the Golden/2012-07-28-105641.jpg
Why is Rise in there?
Wait....Rise fights along side you now!?
This is a very strange review thread.
she shows up in battle now in all out attacks, doing buffs and stuff, and revives you from death...naked for some reason?
http://www.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Persona4Golden-5.jpg