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Steam Greenlight: 1000 games and counting, more Greenlit every few weeks
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Haunted
Member
Nothing I've seen except the Greenlight news and about sections.
Maybe I'm too impatient and the frustration of seeing finished, fully-featured games not getting the necessary attention on Greenlight is getting to me. Maybe five releases and 26 greenlit projects in two and a half months of Greenlight going live is a good pace for Steam compared to how it was before, I don't know.
I guess I'm not seeing the evidence that they are converting it into an automatic process. Maybe I'm just missing it.
I did, however, notice this:
That's probably been there for a while, but it is interesting. I wonder if that half explains why some developers who ALREADY had games on Steam are still having to go through the process.
BudokaiMR2
Member
Yeah this is where things are a bit muddy. There are developers like Reverb and DTP who should not have to go through Greenlight, and still we are seeing plenty of other releases go through the normal submission route(the Sugar Cube release for example.)
My only guess is that maybe the stuff by dtp was already denied by Steam and they thought Greenlight might give them another chance.
At this rate it doesn't look like we will be able to make it in by the end of the year which is really unfortunate.
Maia is now on Greenlight as a concept.
It's a god game where you help a colony survive, influenced by Dungeon Keeper, Theme Hospital, Dwarf Fortress and Sci-Fi - and it's looking really good so far!
Hopefully the Kickstarter gets the interest it needs to get funded.
It's a god game where you help a colony survive, influenced by Dungeon Keeper, Theme Hospital, Dwarf Fortress and Sci-Fi - and it's looking really good so far!
Hopefully the Kickstarter gets the interest it needs to get funded.
Fucking steam. Primordia - http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=108108057
WHY?
WHY?
This really is getting a bit bizarre. Wadjet Eye is one of the premier point-and-click studios in the PC space (any space, really), and they still have to submit stuff through Greenlight?
Do they have games on Steam already? If not, the Steam store says that everyone must use Greenlight, as I quoted. If they DO have games on Steam already then I don't know. Maybe Valve rejected one of their games.
Yeah this really makes no sense. Resonance is already on Steam, you'd think they wouldn't have to do this since they've done business before. Someone needs to be kicked for this.
Oh. Maybe Valve is randomly making certain people do it then, or maybe they're taking too long to respond so companies are doing it themselves, or maybe companies are doing it for extra publicity or to try to influence Valve.
I don't know how easy it was for indie developers or small companies with one game on Steam to get a second game on Steam before Greenlight, though, so I'm just guessing.
I don't know how easy it was for indie developers or small companies with one game on Steam to get a second game on Steam before Greenlight, though, so I'm just guessing.
Oh, you already edited your post, demidar
Also, answer:
Yeah, I already saw the store page, but still, someone needs to be kicked for this. I volunteer myself to be the kicker.
Who knows. In any case, if 10 people who see the game on Greenlight decide to pre-order it direct from their website, then they'll have broken even at the very least, so it's probably not a major investment.
Agree that it's strange seeing some of the publishers that are putting things on Greenlight though, including dtp.
I don't think Valve actively turns away games that might be niche, because it's not like they can lose money on unsold copies, or have to pay for advertising/shelf space. I think this is just a once-off blunder by an intern or something. That said, we don't really have enough information to conclusively call that Valve is actively spurning already established indie games.
Actually I'd like to blame Dejobaan for why this new policy of not just allowing vetted publishers instant approval was put in place.
I'm only mildly annoyed over the quality of those two alpha quality games, since I got them as part of Potato Sack, which did have plenty of gems to justify the price.
ThatsMytrunks
Member
I've been on greenlight since two days after the fee went live, and I have the joy of having no clue how many votes I've gotten.
Here's my Game: Love+.
And that's really all the information I have to work with.
Are there any other GAFfers trying to get greenlit? What's your experience with it?
Here's my Game: Love+.
And that's really all the information I have to work with.
Are there any other GAFfers trying to get greenlit? What's your experience with it?
Are you talking in terms of gameplay/visual quality, or in terms of bugs? The visual design of those games looks quite reasonable to me (one looks similar to AAAAAA for instance), but I can understand if they were super buggy or something.
No, as in the gameplay wasn't even remotely well thought out or polished, and the developer openly acknowledged it was a work in progress with little content.
I've been on greenlight since two days after the fee went live, and I have the joy of having no clue how many votes I've gotten.
Here's my Game: Love+.
And that's really all the information I have to work with.
Are there any other GAFfers trying to get greenlit? What's your experience with it?
Love+ reminds of a game. An innocent and not so innocent game. About virtual waifus. Just thought you should know.
Wok
Member
The next Dejobaan game is already on Steam. It is hidden because it is in beta.
Fare Godmace
Member
Gemini Rue was one of the most well-known cases of Valve rejecting a quality game multiple times and people wondering what the hell was going on. I guess they hate AGS games, or maybe they were right and their games sell very poorly
Hey mang, TWEOTW is not alpha quality. It was a pretty decent Katamari clone, surely it doesn't have the best graphics nor the biggest amount of content but the gameplay was sound and the game was fun in its own quirky way.
Beat the Beat isn't finished yet, though. It seems the game is being finished now by another studio while they work on their new title. It truly looks like they were friends with someone at Valve or something like that, since Steam didn't carry non-finished games back then and they got a lot of attention thanks to being featured in the Potato Sack. Really fishy.
HadesGigas
Member
The Wonderful End of the World was also their first game on steam wasn't it? Pretty random of you to link to it as your explanation. As in there's no way they allowed it instant approval.
exmachina64
Banned
This can only end poorly if Valve stays the course. Hope they realize this soon.
Just saw this. What the hell? Why can't one of the best PnC houses of the last 10 years get their game on Steam? Especially with 6 fantastic titles already on there.
I'll vote for it of course. Primordia looks like it could be their best work yet, which would certainly be an accomplishment after the stellar Gemini Rue. It's just so ridiculous though.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
They published and helped polish Gemini Rue. They did not create it IIRC.
BudokaiMR2
Member
I've been on greenlight since two days after the fee went live, and I have the joy of having no clue how many votes I've gotten.
Here's my Game: Love+.
And that's really all the information I have to work with.
Are there any other GAFfers trying to get greenlit? What's your experience with it?
Yeah someone in Valve needs to realize that graphs and charts mean ABSOLUTE JACKSHIT without reference numbers. God if someone showed this to my old Stats prof or something he would probably backhand them.
We are also on Greenlight trying to help the La-Mulana developers get on Steam. We are acting as the publisher and I basically promised to do everything I could to push the game through to Steam(this was before Greenlight was even announced.) After being turned down several times they basically just told us to stop submitting and wait for Greenlight.
The guys at NIGORO are obviously a little annoyed at how the entire process has gone but fortunately understand that it is out of our hands. Which isn't really a great situation to be stuck in as for all intents and purposes we are their publisher.
I've been on greenlight since two days after the fee went live, and I have the joy of having no clue how many votes I've gotten.
Here's my Game: Love+.
And that's really all the information I have to work with.
Are there any other GAFfers trying to get greenlit? What's your experience with it?
Won't you get in trouble for violating trademarks used by Konami for using that game name? Or do you plan to restrict sales of your game to areas outside Japan?
Surprised they still have to go through Greenlight.
Oh well. This game looks so great. Wadjet Eye has been on fire lately (different devs to be sure, but Wadjet has a good eye for quality).
Delusibeta
Banned
AFAIK LovePlus was released after Love+, so if anything it's Konami who has to roll over.
Wibblewozzer
Member
Huh, I bought this from your website some years ago. Rather enjoyed it back then. I think it was just called Love at the time? I'll give you a vote to bump up your graphs.
Just went through my e-mail to find the reply I got from you for buying the game and saw this "(p.s.) Thanks for the extra buck. It was entirely unnecessary and entirely awesome. Let me know if you ever need anything.
" Wonder what I should demand from you..,Winnie the Pimp
Member
nice, voted for it just now...
Also voted for Fester Mudd looks like an awesome P&C as well
Voted for both as well.nice, voted for it just now...
Also voted for Fester Mudd looks like an awesome P&C as well
Really hope Primordia makes it. Looks fantastic.
Jawmuncher
Member
If only Sexy Beach was greenlit
Winnie the Pimp
Member
you got my attention... brb checking it out
edit: can't find this on Greenlight, you sure that's what it's called?
What America truly needs
Jawmuncher
Member
I have to look I think I might be getting it mixed up with some other game.
LOL totally just realized I posted the name of that one Japanese game in stead of the right one now I have to find it.
EDIT 2: I seriously have no idea what game I wanted greenlight, I think I must have been spaced out or something.
Regardless even if Sexy Beach isn't on greenlight it's the game America needs.
Jason Frost
Member
Anyone knows how Waking Mars is going with Greenlight?
Wok
Member
My guess is the HIB will make it go in the next batch.
The RPS review should help boost visibility.
Charrettizard
Member
Apparently not so well according to Randy Smith, co-owner and creative design at Tiger Style (the makers of Waking Mars):
http://www.edge-online.com/features...ter-of-appealing-to-the-right-gaming-culture/
It's a good read on the state of Greenlight and how it speaks volumes about giving the community the power to choose - for better or worse.
Visualante2
Member
I think that's tragic because Walking Mars is really quite fun and translates well to mouse and keyboard.
Jason Frost
Member
Can we see the top 100? Or is it only for devs?
Jason Frost
Member
I don't think we can see that.
Primordia hit the top 100.
This is one of SGL's failings imo. A game like this, which has rocketed up the charts, should be given the fast track to the store instead of automatically picking the top 10/20/whatever.
This is one of SGL's failings imo. A game like this, which has rocketed up the charts, should be given the fast track to the store instead of automatically picking the top 10/20/whatever.