Its cause we built it and said " that's good" and never updated
This needs to be the standard, it still boggles my mind that the most powerful nation in the world has some of the shittiest public infrastructure I've seen in my travels abroad.
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Man pushed down onto train tracks by madman, killed. (Photo)
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apocalidiot
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This needs to be the standard, it still boggles my mind that the most powerful nation in the world has some of the shittiest public infrastructure I've seen in my travels abroad.
corrupt govt officials spending trillions on war and kickbacks and non on actual internal infrastructure does this
starchild excalibur
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I don't buy the photographer's story. He's not responsible for the dude's death, but using a flash to "alert" the conductor? I dunno.
I would better believe that no one did anything because they were afraid they'd be pulled down into the tracks or something.
I would better believe that no one did anything because they were afraid they'd be pulled down into the tracks or something.
Air Zombie Meat
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Sorry to say it but theres no way I'd jump down onto the tracks to help a flailing drunk in that situation. At most I might try to help pull him up from the platform but I'd probably still be hesitant. Plus the bystander effects got to be huge in a situation like that. You might be able to stop an attacker but theres no way you're stopping a train.
Twenty7KVN
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Have you been in a nyc subway before?It's one of the dirtiest places i've ever been.
cheststrongwell
my cake, fuck off
The thing is, people do wierd shit in high stress situations. I'd like to think I'd try to help someone, but id probably freeze up.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
That photo is haunting.
I got in a all altercation with a panhandler at High St. Yesterday crazy enough. Horrible horrible news.
I got in a all altercation with a panhandler at High St. Yesterday crazy enough. Horrible horrible news.
BruceLeeRoy
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Headline truly is disgusting. If the guy got thrown in right after the arrival announcement went out that's a good 30-40 sec before it gets to the platform. Those people are all guilty as far as I am concerned.
Yes. I've lived in NYC all my life. I would think the cost of installing the glass barriers is preventing the MTA from doing so.
el retorno
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This needs to be the standard, it still boggles my mind that the most powerful nation in the world has some of the shittiest public infrastructure I've seen in my travels abroad.
Um not even europe has those. I've traveled in the paris, madrid, london, berlin metros. All do not have safety barriers (I remember seeing some in paris but not at all.)
I am in favor of them though. I'm horrified of something like this happening.
el retorno
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bystander effect. we all talk a good game just don't always act that way.
I think we all want to think we'd help (I think I would have tried) but its hard to actual know what will happen if your in that situtation, so horrible though, My thoughts go out to his family.
You would think there would be safety barriers in more of the high risk areas. They don't have to be the full height walls, but half like below.
And what if some crazy panhandler pushes you over that half height wall? It would be impossible to climb back over, whereas in this case a non-drunk person could have climbed back on to the platform, or someone could have assisted him up instead of taking photos.
Vermillion
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Whole post.
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
Messed up situation. But if you end up down on the tracks and a train is barreling toward you, duck into the drainage trench. That's how Wesley Autrey survived.
Saw that too! Why are we the only ones commenting on this??
GhostWriter24
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NY Post has been spitting out sensationalist headlines for decades now, why are people only now shocked by their baiting for the lowest common denominator?
Clay Davis
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right? I didn't think such a thing would ever be possible.
Angelus Errare
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Help pull the guy up?
How long does that take? How long does he have?
Questions that would need to be answered.
This doesnt matter. The guy is framed in all the shots. This dude made ZERO effort to help, but had enough time to start framing and snapping pictures. Hell, in the second picture with the subway down the tracks, he is practically at the track edge.
He is focused and framed in the cover shot. Its fuckin sick.
yn-neko hates a cat
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People were probably scared to lose their lives in an attempt to save another person. It's not very heroic but most people aren't. As far as people taking pictures at impending doom, this seems to be more of a phenomenon these days than ever. No one whats to be involved but most of the same people don't mind observing. It's like a real-life Youtube as far as they're concerned. It's the fifteen minutes of fame. It's the benefit of knowing you did the right thing. It's also the fear of failing, the fear of litigation, the fear that you'll be scrutinized for not doing all you could. People are weighing this all in their heads knowing that they'll be at the mercy of all those people who remained observers themselves. Look at this photographer being eviscerated here on GAF, having a chance to do it all over again, what do you think he would have done? Seeing this yourself, what would you do in such a situation? We need to try harder to foster the type if spirit we'd like to see more of in society.
RedNalgene
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Shame on the Post for publishing this photo and completely sensationalizing someone's death. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised - it's a piece of garbage publication that is one step above the National Enquirer.
There is NO WAY that guy got that cover photo while running to alert the train. My guess is he actually did try and alert the train, but when he realized the train was trying to stop and more flashing wouldn't do any additional "alerting" he decided to take some photos while standing still. So he knew the guy was gonna get crushed and tried to take advantage of the photo op.
For those of you who haven't been on a NYC subway, there's no way he could have squeezed to the side of the train, there's no room. What he should have done was laid down on the tracks and allowed the train to pass over him. There is clearance underneath those trains for exactly this reason. Now, even knowing this I don't know if I could do it in real life since it would be absolutely terrifying to have the train pass over you, but that's what you're supposed to do in that situation.
Also, need to reiterate that this is exactly why you don't interact with deranged people unless you feel like they are an immediate threat. In hindsight this guy should have tried to alert someone at the station rather than handle it by himself, but he was drunk so probably wasn't thinking rationally. Whenever the train is approaching I always take a few steps back and look behind me. I don't trust anyone on the subway, too many crazies.
All in all a horrible, horrible situation. And a very sad reflection on society....
There is NO WAY that guy got that cover photo while running to alert the train. My guess is he actually did try and alert the train, but when he realized the train was trying to stop and more flashing wouldn't do any additional "alerting" he decided to take some photos while standing still. So he knew the guy was gonna get crushed and tried to take advantage of the photo op.
For those of you who haven't been on a NYC subway, there's no way he could have squeezed to the side of the train, there's no room. What he should have done was laid down on the tracks and allowed the train to pass over him. There is clearance underneath those trains for exactly this reason. Now, even knowing this I don't know if I could do it in real life since it would be absolutely terrifying to have the train pass over you, but that's what you're supposed to do in that situation.
Also, need to reiterate that this is exactly why you don't interact with deranged people unless you feel like they are an immediate threat. In hindsight this guy should have tried to alert someone at the station rather than handle it by himself, but he was drunk so probably wasn't thinking rationally. Whenever the train is approaching I always take a few steps back and look behind me. I don't trust anyone on the subway, too many crazies.
All in all a horrible, horrible situation. And a very sad reflection on society....
Twenty7KVN
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Not only installing but maintaining them would be crazy.I don't think i would make much sense for something that doesn't happen very often.
What? Of course it does. Tell me what happens if that train rolls in with this guy hanging onto the photographer but still in its path.
Also you're assuming he set up the shot in some way. Why?
Enough time for the guy that got thrown through the air, landed in the middle of the tracks probably stunned, recover, gather himself and try to make it to the edge and start trying to climb up.
While people stood there and at least one person snapping multiple pictures. You notice there is no one else at all in frame making any movements towards the guy either. There had to have been alot going through that guys head at that moment but I can't even imagine being in that situation, getting up and making it to the edge only to look over and see a crowd of people not moving to help me just snapping pictures of me about to die.
Yeah, that's weird. The article made it sound as if tons of people were trying to get him out of there.
And how do you know any of this?
fallengorn
Bitches love smiley faces
Yeah. If I remember the mta ad, there's only been 100+ incidents of people being hit by trains last year... and way less ended in fatalities. It's pretty rare someone dies from the train. Money to overhaul the entire system with doors would be better suited for other things.
Some London stations definitely have those, I distinctly remember it.
reggieandTFE
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...truck-subway-one-minute-tracks_n_2238334.html
Looks like he was down there for at least a minute and it may have been up to a minute and a half. So much for that photographer making an effort...
Looks like he was down there for at least a minute and it may have been up to a minute and a half. So much for that photographer making an effort...
Are you serious??!! THE BIG FUCKING PICTURE IN THE OP WHERE NO ONE IS AROUND THE GUY OR IN THE PICTURE.
Anticitizen One
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wtf at that NY Post cover. It looks like a comic book cover or something
Ignorance is bad but understandable. Failing to even acknowledge ignorance is pathetic. Furthermore the lack of reading comprehension isn't pretty either.
But hey, continue to judge. Who needs all the information?
They guy took a photo of the approaching train. Infact, its so far down the tunnel they had to put an arrow to identify it AND hes standing next to the edge to get that shot. He then backed away from the edge to get the money shot. Humanity has been lost.
Absolutely sickening.
The image isn't cropped? You can say for sure where he's standing?
Also keep in mind the man, according to that source in the article, was drunk. A fact you've implied by you early decision that is meaningless.
Your kidding right?
Thats what i said was meaningless, but please keep telling me what i said when its only 16 posts up. and we now know the answer to that. its was 60-90 seconds.
Fuck the photographer, fuck the paper that ran that headline but most of all fuck the murdering piece of scum that willingly and knowingly threw another man to die. Hope this guy is caught and punished to the fullest extent of the law.
What I was wondering as well.
What I was wondering as well.
Stop with the condescending non-response, I gave you the only reply worthwhile to what you wrote. You take your contrarian shtick too far sometimes in the face of blatant evidence.
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