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[Perkel]

Demod on high end pcs with 3+TF GPUS and powerful cpus. (as was samaritan and agnis philosophy)
Great image quality adds a lot to the overall look of things.

Remember the very first unreal engine 3 tech demo?
We never ever got that image quality, never got the same quality parallax mapping for walls etc, never got the soft shadowing anywhere near as good and not at all till UE3.5 games, it took 4 years for the self shadowing to appear etc.

Watch dogs looks awesome but at 720p with some blurry FXAA and a lot of artifacts in the distance, bokeh turned off , the LOD turned down something fierce etc etc there might not be much left of the overall consistency and look of the final game if the hardware is mediocre.

I'm hoping for powerful hardware else next gen consoles 'll just be another dissapointment.

Good to know they created it for PC mainly. Oh wait...

all of those demos Agni watch dogs and other suggest what next gen consoles will achieve not what PC is capable of. They don't plan probably to even release Final Fantasy on PC.

And they don't create their work to just dump it into trash can. (lack of PC release in case of SE). If anything this shows how PC GFX is blocked because multiplatform releases.

Most of what we call PC superiority is just bumped resolution few effects and textures. Where rendering techniques, meshes, scale and everything else is going nowhere because it must fit on consoles.

Even witcher was created with consoles in mind so they could not go with meshes crazy or any other advanced rendering because they need still to fit open worldish game on consoles

 

[jeff_rigby]

not really indeed, we know nothing on PS4, I mean nothing.

Other then devs(those that he contacted) are less confident in PS4 (because they know nothing)- from aegis.

With all due respect to Jeff, his posts are not source, rumor or leak. just speculation.

Yes most is speculation based on Sony CTO or VP Technology platform and then research on the technology mentioned by them but occasionally something definite that confirms rumors like below:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=45173413&postcount=3108

HWiNFO64 is a professional hardware information and diagnostic tool supporting the latest components, industry technologies and standards. HWiNFO64 is designed to collect and present the maximum amount of information possible about computer's hardware

These appear to be new hardware by AMD that the software can report on. Posted Oct 8, 2012 which likely means it exists in some form BEFORE Oct 8, 2012.

Added AMD Sun, Neptune, Ibiza, Cozumel, Kauai, Hainan, Curacao, Aruba, Richland Devastator/Scrapper, Thebe, Kryptos, Samara, Pennar.

Which confirms multiple Sweetvar26 rumors. It also seems to indicate both Kryptos and Thebe silicon are finalized so any delays are yield (less likely) or internal to Sony and Microsoft reasoning's.

Also if there is a discrete GPU as in APU + GPU it most likely will be one of the following: Sun, Neptune, Ibiza, Cozumel, Kauai, Hainan, Curacao, Aruba and the AMD APU base SoC that is modified to produce Thebe and Kryptos is likely Samara/Pennar. Samara/Pennar are 2014 designs at 20nm or with only the GNB at 20nm also as 2014 designs they could have two 128 bit DDR3 interfaces or as the two OCt 2011 Amkor PDFs one for internal AMD and one for a trade show shows wide IO for Nov 2013 and wide IO for mid 2014.

The Temash chip in question is the A6-1450, a quad-core SoC clocked at 1GHz with Radeon HD 8280 graphics, 2GB of DDR3-1066 memory, and running (oddly) Windows 7.

I think we can take this as a min spec for the APU; 8000 series bottom end and not a "M" series as it needs to have the GNB (northbridge, southbridge, video decoders, audio and video out).

Edit: Just my opinion but BY3D posters have been speculating about eSRAM and eDRAM in the next generation game consoles if as rumored DDR3 is being used instead of GDDR5 because of cost/size or wide IO because it's not ready yet. Custom memory for the game consoles has already been confirmed in a Micron stock holders meeting and that can be custom size GDDR5 in the short term so eSRAM and EDRAM which are more expensive options and would increase the complexity and lower yield are not needed. If wide IO is used then again there is no need for eSRAM or eDRAM and that (from the AMKOR PDF) is the long term plan which depends on 3D stacked DDR3 and DDR4. A console is a long term design. The following is a prototype AMD GPU with stacked DDR3 on interposer not GDDR5, the bottom two packages could be CPU packages making this a prototype SoC including wide IO memory with both CPU package and GPU connected to a common UMA memory.

We know very little about PS4, but industry rumors tell us that both X720 and PS4 will have similar performance. The only concrete proof is interview with Sony's technology chief [early 2012] which mentioned focus on APU and stackable chips.

Sony CTO http://mandetech.com/2012/01/10/sony-masaaki-tsuruta-interview/

SemiAccurate take http://semiaccurate.com/2012/03/02/...l-be-an-x86-cpu-with-an-amd-gpu/#.UO7dxOTWIw4

Sony VP Technology platform http://www.semicontaiwan.org/en/sites/semicontaiwan.org/files/SiP 3D IC_Teiji_Yutaka_SONY.pdf

And this in a Yole PDF on Sony plans http://www.i-micronews.com/upload/Rapports/3D_Silicon_&Glass_Interposers_sample_2012.pdf

On AMD site => AMKOR which packages for AMD/GF will be packaging Interposer/logic (GPU + CPU)/memory Nov 2013 http://sites.amd.com/la/Documents/TFE2011_001AMC.pdf

On AMKOR site for the industry in general, same technology but middle of 2014 for everyone else => http://www.amkor.com/download.cfm?d...DC8BFAE253&typename=dmFile&fieldname=filename

You will notice a similarity between the last half of the Sony VP Technology platform slides above and the Microsoft leaked 720 powerpoint. Also in the powerpoint is Microsoft speculation on how, not if, Sony was going to support XTV. http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=62038

You can read the above and draw your own conclusions or read a journalist's speculation who has read the above.

 

[Melchiah]

same here, they have kept me happy since 1998 looking forward to psnext

Likewise, and since the same year. I'll be getting the PS4, whether it costs 600€ or not.

 

[gofreak]

Is this old news?

In the spirit of speculation that PS4 won't be called PS4, have a look at:

http://www.psorbis.com

Now: having a subdomain on your developer website for a platform codename is one thing. But registering it as a domain name? Might suggest it's going to be used beyond being a codename...

edit - as discussed further down it may not necessarily have been Sony who registered these names so...

 

[SniperHunter]

yea no shit it won't be called PS4....especially if MS go with Xbox 8. That and the 4 is a bad omen in Japan or something.

 

[Majanew]

yea no shit it won't be called PS4....especially if MS go with Xbox 8.

The New Xbox won't be called Xbox 8. Sony not using PS4 is because of tetraphobia.

Just saw your edit.

 

[gofreak]

http://www.playstationorbis.com does not redirect to Playstation's site - but it was registered via the same net provider on the exact same date. The registration details on both domains are private, but the redirect on psorbis.com obviously reveals its owner.

 

[Reiko]

Is this old news?

In the spirit of speculation that PS4 won't be called PS4, have a look at:

http://www.psorbis.com

Now: having a subdomain on your developer website for a platform codename is one thing. But registering it as a domain name? Might suggest it's going to be used beyond being a codename...

Saw this coming...

 

[SniperHunter]

The New Xbox won't be called Xbox 8. Sony not using PS4 is because of tetraphobia.

that and the dumbass consumers will be like, "lol Xbox 8 is 4 times more powerful than PS4"

 

[i-Lo]

yea no shit it won't be called PS4....especially if MS go with Xbox 8. That and the 4 is a bad omen in Japan or something.

Apparently 4 is pronounced as "Shi" which means death in Japanese. Makes me wonder if they shift now, what'll happen 8 years from now if there is a prospective PS5.

 

[SniperHunter]

Apparently 4 is pronounced as "Shi" which means death in Japanese. Makes me wonder if they shift now, what'll happen 8 years from now if there is a prospective PS5.

I think they should just call it Playstation and be done with it. They can come with a unique catchy name for PS5 when the time arrives.

 

[squidyj]

Apparently 4 is pronounced as "Shi" which means death in Japanese. Makes me wonder if they shift now, what'll happen 8 years from now if there is a prospective PS5.

yon, yo. or just call it fooru. It's not a difficult problem to overcome.

 

[gofreak]

Might be worth a split-bump. Thought it might be old news.

Best get used to that then, I guess. Orbis Orbis Orbis.

 

[Binabik15]

Does the cab get hit by something outside the field of view or does his foot make it fall apart like that? Looks funny.

Orbis sounds dumb.

 

[grimshawish]

Hope its not Orbis. Be like Vita being Vita. Maybe something else is 'orbis' connected to it.
Orbis is worse than Vita.

 

[Globox_82]

Does the cab get hit by something outside the field of view or does his foot make it fall apart like that? Looks funny.

Orbis sounds dumb.

Next gen LOL

 

[i-Lo]

I think they should just call it Playstation and be done with it. They can come with a unique catchy name for PS5 when the time arrives.

Well yea, in every place except Japan it would make sense. It depends on how superstitious Sony perceives Japan would be so as not to make the name become a detriment to its sales.

yon, yo. or just call it fooru. It's not a difficult problem to overcome.

That sounds gangsta yo!

Could you kindly tell me what do the two mean (I assume one of them, probably the latter mean "5")?

 

[gofreak]

Also interesting to note, Sony registered these domain names on the exact same day this Kotaku report was published http://kotaku.com/5896996/the-next-playstation-is-called-orbis-sources-say-here-are-the-details , the first public report of the Orbis name.

I think the you can take from this that they either a) are going to use the name officially or b) have at least not discarded the possibility of using the name officially.

 

[i-Lo]

Might be worth a split-bump. Thought it might be old news.

Best get used to that then, I guess. Ogg VOrbis Ogg VOrbis Ogg VOrbis.

Everytime, this is what runs through my head when I read Orbis.

 

[phosphor112]

Does the cab get hit by something outside the field of view or does his foot make it fall apart like that? Looks funny.

Orbis sounds dumb.

It's his foot. They clearly have bugs to fix lol.

 

[Karak]

It's his foot. They clearly have bugs to fix lol.

Proof that its a game at least Ankle power. Maybe the dude has an exoskeleton or something

 

[phosphor112]

Proof that its a game at least Ankle power. Maybe the dude has an exoskeleton or something

Dude is so high tech, his foot has NFC. Anything it touches self destructs.

 

[Elios83]

Also interesting to note, Sony registered these domain names on the exact same day this Kotaku report was published http://kotaku.com/5896996/the-next-playstation-is-called-orbis-sources-say-here-are-the-details , the first public report of the Orbis name.

I think the you can take from this that they either a) are going to use the name officially or b) have at least not discarded the possibility of using the name officially.

It could also be the name of the development platform for the new console.
Orbis doesn't seem like a name the marketing team would consider for a retail product.
It doesn't convey any concept or idea in particular which is something that Sony has always cared a lot in the past.
Playstation, Move, Eye Toy, DualShock, Sixaxis, Go! (entertainment on the go), Vita means Life.
Orbis is completely stupid.

 

[Globox_82]

anything other then 4 is bad marketing. Who cares what it means in Japan. Western market is what matters, and unless Sony wants to keep dying over here, then have ORbis, Vita or some other stupid name. Since this is Sony I expect the worst decission.

 

[mrklaw]

Why volunteer the 10 year lifecycle tidbit when it wasn't brought up then? Not so much as a "stay tuned" or "it will be great".

It means 'buy our great PS3 now, we'll be supporting it for ages, don't worry'

It always means that

 

[Sid]

What is persona 4 called in japan? how about mgs 4?

 

[Auto_aim1]

Orbis doesn't seem like a name the marketing team would consider for a retail product.

They did for Vita and both are Latin names, no?

 

[gofreak]

It could also be the name of the development platform for the new console.
Orbis doesn't seem like a name the marketing team would consider for a retail product.
It doesn't convey any concept or idea in particular which is something that Sony has always cared a lot in the past.
Playstation, Move, Eye Toy, DualShock, Sixaxis, Go! (entertainment on the go), Vita means Life.
Orbis is completely stupid.

Orbis is very much in the vein of Vita.

orbis (genitive orbis); m, third declension
circle, ring
a circular motion
a rotation
a disc or disc-shaped object
the Earth, the world

The bolded meaning would make a lot of sense as a candidate name i.e. 'Playstation World'

I've never seen Sony register domain names around development tools before...not ones that redirect to their consumer facing site anyway. I think when news went public about the name, they registered these because they were at least thinking of using it. Maybe they've since decided against using it, maybe not. But wouldn't surprise me if it is the name now.

 

[Can Crusher]

Dude is so high tech, his foot has NFC. Anything it touches self destructs.

Dude is probably a Terminator that came from the past. From a time when they had time travel.

 

[Kagari]

Also interesting to note, Sony registered these domain names on the exact same day this Kotaku report was published http://kotaku.com/5896996/the-next-playstation-is-called-orbis-sources-say-here-are-the-details , the first public report of the Orbis name.

I think the you can take from this that they either a) are going to use the name officially or b) have at least not discarded the possibility of using the name officially.

Meh. Just stick to the numbered name.

 

[mrklaw]

Can't see them streaming PS4 games. They'd want you to buy the machine, plus it'd be too expensive to have tons of servers supplying the games. (Unless PS4 architecture is more PC like and therefore easier to virtualise on actual PCs)

Isn't Ps3 or PSN games more likely - gives them more reach and longer lifecycle for PS3.

Biggest issue I have is that the consumers most likely to have an uncapped and fast broadband are the ones most likely to already own a PS3. But I guess broadband speeds are getting to the point where this would be feasible

 

[Glorified G]

Don't understand why Sony wouldn't just name it ps4 everywhere except Japan. Sort of like Sega did with Genesis/Megadrive.

 

[Auto_aim1]

I think it would definitely be a mistake if they go with something like Orbis. Just stick to the current branding, there's absolutely nothing wrong with PS4.

 

[mrklaw]

Is this old news?

In the spirit of speculation that PS4 won't be called PS4, have a look at:

http://www.psorbis.com

Now: having a subdomain on your developer website for a platform codename is one thing. But registering it as a domain name? Might suggest it's going to be used beyond being a codename...

Does it just redirect or is there something more? Because anyone can redirect a domain to another website

 

[pharmboy044]

What is persona 4 called in japan? how about mgs 4?

Exactly. What about Monster Hunter 4, Yakuza 4 and iPhone4.

It's definetly going to be called Playstation 4.

 

[Ashes]

I reckon it's going to be called Orbis or something in that vein too.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

I'm gonna love it if the next xbox is really called Durango and the next PS is really called Orbis.

 

[Auto_aim1]

Because anyone can redirect a domain to another website

No that's not possible. You need to own both the domains to execute a redirect. I think there might be some third-party tools but I am not sure if that's a 301 redirect which transfers everything.

 

[Sid]

Exactly. What about Monster Hunter 4, Yakuza 4 and iPhone4.

It's definetly going to be called Playstation 4.

Yup it's been done like a million times before,i don't know why is this thing only applied to the PS4.

 

[Binabik15]

It's his foot. They clearly have bugs to fix lol.

Probably set everything to "easy explode mode" for maximum ZOMG LOOK AT THIS effect. Not that it's horrible, I just kept staring at the gif until I noticed it and then I couldn't look away.


I'm all for PS4, don't change your nomenclature system with the fourth product, dammit. People still have trouble with Vita and even worse, Wii-U.

PlayStation alone could also work.

Spoiler

They can't do Orbis, because ORB has to be the name of the PlayStation 9, dammit!

 

[Ashes]

I'm gonna love it if the next xbox is really called Durango and the next PS is really called Orbis.

Durango will probably have an 8 moniker what with that looking like a fetish of some sort.

XB8 or something to do with infiniti.

 

[gofreak]

Can't see them streaming PS4 games. They'd want you to buy the machine, plus it'd be too expensive to have tons of servers supplying the games. (Unless PS4 architecture is more PC like and therefore easier to virtualise on actual PCs)

Well, they want you to buy software. That's the end goal.

I know this is a bit of a hobby-horse of mine at this stage so bear with me, but...

PS4 software may well actually be the easiest to get going on a cloud platform both for technical and licensing reasons.

Legacy PSone and PS2 software would/will be technically pretty easy to do, and will be cheaper to serve, but will probably require relicensing.

PS3 software won't be technically very easy to do and might be as or more expensive trying to run via emu than running PS4 software straight. And will probably require relicensing also.

They have said the service will offer 'immersive core games with rich graphics' so that's either PS3 or PS4 stuff, IMO...and PS4 is the only platform they can start from scratch with from a licensing perspective and that they'll be able to run more or less directly on more commodity hw.

As for the infrastructure...they've made a big investment just to get Gaikai, so there is probably a willingness to keep investing in the infrastructure Gaikai had already built up.

Gaikai claimed prior to their acquisition that they could run PC games for a publisher, with margin, for about the same cost as a google click per 30 minutes. And over time it'll get cheaper and cheaper per hour of gametime as tech improves and the network scales up.

Biggest issue I have is that the consumers most likely to have an uncapped and fast broadband are the ones most likely to already own a PS3. But I guess broadband speeds are getting to the point where this would be feasible

It's not so much a bandwidth issue. It's just like video streaming in that regard, and that's a commonly support net application now. There's also tonnes of people out there with the broadband for that, that don't or won't own a games console. Who would never buy a PS4. But if the software is available to them without that purchase? The friction to software consumption disappears if their network is up to it, and Sony sells more software. And that's the business SCE is in.

 

[Sid]

For Gaikai i think Sony will have a 'Playstation service' for as many of their products as possible ranging from Vita,smartphones,tablets to their laptops and consoles.

 

[Ashes]

Maybe.. Or Gakai could be SEN's leg up in the PC market.

 

[Sid]

Yeah could be on third party products too but apart from legacy home console content what else can be made available on it?PSP games maybe? PS3 games are seemingly less likely.

 

[onQ123]

they should just call it

PSi

PlayStationInteractive




PS4 / Orbis was in the Turbo movie

 

[nofi]

No that's not possible. You need to own both the domains to execute a redirect. I think there might be some third-party tools but I am not sure if that's a 301 redirect which transfers everything.

That's not true. Any domain can redirect to another.

 

[gofreak]

Does it just redirect or is there something more? Because anyone can redirect a domain to another website

Good question. Well, it's definitely not a javascript or html redirect.

You get a 301 http response. But I think you could do that as a third party if you wanted (?)

I don't think it's on sony name servers, but it could well just be parked on a registrar's servers which wouldn't tell us very much either way.

The names were privately registered... I don't know if Sony does that sometimes or not, if that's a telltale sign that it wasn't them (?)

 

[mrklaw]

Go freak, I think you are right in terms of licensing meaning PS4 is more likely, plus the architecture might make it more suitable if its very PC based. And with cloud saves you could play anywhere and pick up where you left off. I'd love that.

But if that happens, what is the incentive for us to buy the hardware? Just to have a crispier picture and a bit less lag?

 

[Auto_aim1]

That's not true. Any domain can redirect to another.

Will it be a 301 redirect? I think it's just simple forwarding.