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VGLeaks Durango specs: x64 8-core CPU @1.6GHz, 8GB DDR3 + 32MB ESRAM, 50GB 6x BD...
- Thread starter Shikoro
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Depends on the developer.
Itagaki, Yu Suzuki, Hideo Kojima... etc
Ilhere pretty much said both consoles are a wash. I don't know how hard that is to understand.
First party devs are the ones forced to speak PR bullshit. Unless they have freedom.
I can imagine it being no bigger than 360 slim, but I don't really know.
You hear that guys. He is fine with the data mover name. So we all have to use that now. We will PM you next time to get your ok on any future nick names used here.
When Sony does it then it is great technology. When Microsoft does it then it is Magic and we are all pretending.
darkistheway
Member
If anyone here is at E3 or wherever Duran-go is announced, please yell out "Where's the jizz?"
And yes, I'm eight years old and think this is hilarious.
And yes, I'm eight years old and think this is hilarious.
Can Crusher
Banned
LMAO what?
Not that your nickname doesn't represent what I'm trying to explain, but "Laughing My Ass Off" and that's it, is just childish in this context.
But when you allude a fondness to a talented pianist, that has a place in history, you are telling me the opposite. So why the childish remark, that adds absolutely 0 aside from the possibility that you might be "poking" at other posters.
It's so devoid of any meaningful participation, it's...again, childish.
Kill Your Masters
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phosphor112
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Kewl.
iamshadowlark
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IDK, if its not a compute unit, I can't see how its magically supposed to "even the playing field". Bandwidth on this spec sheet is a issue so if it remedies that, its wonderful. It still doesn't account for what could be a teraflop raw power advantage for PS4 though.
I'm mocking the neutral facade third party developers hide behind when faced with comparison questions. For all we know, Durango could very well steal the show. Still, interviewees woud throw those blanket statements at you!
In fact, if I were to speculate about what drives Durango, not only would I go with the extra logic, but I'd wager that the GPU of the machine had been well customized, contrary to Orbis's.
Name is silly and I call it "secret cum bucket".
On the serious note, the only ting that annoys me is that those that overhype special sauce in nexbox, completly ignore secret sauce in the PS4. Just because you know it's sony, and on the other side it's wizzard MS
My dude, relax, it's not that serious.
Well Ilhere earned that "accurate" NeoGAF tag for a reason.
If he's lying I don't see why he has a reason to. He's really not supposed to say anything.
But I see your point.
I don't think the teraflops on either Orbis or Durango will be precise in accurately measuring their power.
I'm just afraid of it outclassing it pretty badly in some way and getting more Skyrim PS3 or Bayonetta situations again. I don't care if they're equal, I just don't want the Xbox to be flat out superior.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Oh boy... LMAO!
iamshadowlark
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Well nothings precise in regards to hw power but care to elaborate.
Can Crusher
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I agree with that. But that goes both ways. Do you really believe that it's more reasonable to expect Sony to completely overpower MS by a great am mount, or that MS will at least try and get a system to perform at something at least close to Sony's system?
In terms of plausibility and real world scenarios, it stands to reason that in the business world MS would have nothing to gain by allowing such a discrepancy in power when they have never done so.
LMAO nothing. Just LMAO!
I get it, it's funny. It's ok.
I am relaxed. I'm communicating thoughts and ideas. What's up with people always thinking other people on the internet are stressed out? I'm using well thought out ideas, I'm not name calling people or writing angry.
iamshadowlark
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Perhaps MS aren't concerned with power and are sacrificing for something else? Nah.
On the flipside, people try to hard to say there is no "special sauce" for Durango and say to wait for the "special sauce" in Orbis.
Who is saying that?
iamshadowlark
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Have you read the PS4 leak or....
Few pages before.
phosphor112
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Who?
Can Crusher
Banned
Well, but that theory holds as much water as "Sony has no money to spend right now, so they are going to play it safe".
It's not very plausible, even if some would really wish it so.
The benefits and advantages of Cell were pretty quantifiable. You guys don't even have a clue what the data mover is, and before this reveal didn't even know it existed...
I haven't seen anyone say this. I have seen people say both consoles will have their own "secret sauce" (ie unique customisations) just like even the WiiU U has.
I have been saying all the time that I am not buying that nextbox is weaker then PS4 and that actually I still expect it to be stronger. I don't think these specs are 100%.
That said I just get annoyed by people ignoring and spinning things. Like Aegis and these other pro xbox guys are doing. MS is so amazing that secret cum bucket will turn 1.2tflops into 2.5tflops hahah sorry I just have to make fun of it all.
Both have secrets and both will be great, I still expect nextbox to be a bit stronger. Just a feeling I have.
Well, Sony also said the PS3 would be 2 TFs so forgive me if I am going to wait for the games. Which will end up looking nearly identical.
iamshadowlark
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How isn't it plausible. Have you seen or heard PR at all from MS in the previous couple years? It's quite clear they are after more than gaming with Xbox.
GarthVaderUK
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Dug up some recent posts by our rumour guys comparing the platforms for those who missed them:
lherre (given the tag "Accurate" here on GAF):
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=46551080#post46551080
thuway (has been spot on with his info):
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=46680756#post46680756
thuway on Proelite (also has said stuff here that matched recent leaks):
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46610920&postcount=1458
aegis mentioned the dev kits are very similar, which thuway agreed with:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=46705739#post46705739
Such pointless bickering pertaining to "Secret sauce". A term coined to make promises based on technology that no one in the industry who isn't an engineer at AMD, Sony or MS (who are mum), can with specificity and unequivocal correctness, explain the function of these "secret sauces" in both systems. It has now come to the point where perceived superiority of a given console is dependent upon how powerful or revolutionary this "secret sauce" is instead of the rumoured "known" quantities. Yes, a secret within a secret will determine your champion.
iamshadowlark
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That was in 2005 and nobody in there right mind believed them. This is 2013 where it's highly plausible.
If not secret sauce it will move on to Dev tools. Guarantee it.
On a side note, none of these specs are confirmed, and Durango could still end up more powerful than Orbis, just currently doesn't look that way. But things can change. Hell Sony doubled their GDDR5 ram count in recent months by the sounds of things.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
You could say the same about this gen consoles, but people still look for small differences. I think next gen consoles (if these specs are in fact 100% held in place) could result in even more differences than this gen. X3 will have at least 50% more memory (if 3GB OS rumor is true, so likely more than 50% really), which could result in more high resolution textures and less loading, and PS4 50% faster GPU and faster memory which could result in better framerates - then each has some special (but different) extra computing hardware. Should be interesting/fun, IMO. I like that each seems to have something above the other, that exclusive games especially could target.
Sony's thing is a compute unit. IMO, that's pretty easy to explain, if the rumor about it is true in the first place. Think of something that for example calculates physics while CPU and GPU are free to do anything else.
What? If anything, they all are trying to make it seem as if that "special sauce" (ugh) is going to create a supercomputer out of Durango. If we're judging by these specs, no special sauce is going to make Durango more powerful than Orbis, whoever cares about that.
metareferential
Member
Not up until the second wave of first party games.
Can Crusher
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Well I never took it that way, my conclusion always was "the tflop" numbers don't tell you the whole picture, and the memory design will greatly impact the differences these systems have.
But I can understand, when something isn't explained and it's based on other's words, it can get frustrating.
It's always about context, I think some peeps are getting a lot of trash and when you really look at it, the greatest sin they are committing is not saying that Orbis will be more powerful and will have everything Durango has of worth, and more.
But that's me. That's what I drew from those "situations".
How long have you been a gamer? At least since the PS2 days that Sony is the same. Forgetting Eye Toy, Singstar, that awesome quizz game, stuff like Move, ability read DVD movies, Blu Ray, netflix, Home, shit the list goes on my man, doesn't change anything. Sony wants Playstation to be at the center of the living room just as much as MS.
We tend to see only what we want though.
I would bet they believed it.
maybe you have a good innocent heart
Which has more to do with talent of SSM, ND, etc and budgets they got, not the cell
Oppo
Member
It's true. And once new shit comes to light, I need the stupendous superiority expressed in multipliers, or volkswagens or x-factors or football fields or libraries of congress per second, maybe toss the word "super" in there, add a few newly-learned acronyms that I can mangle the meaning of, and that should be good.
I love launches!
I hope whomever makes the first official new Xbox thread calls it Djurango Unchained
JonathanPower
Member
Well, rumors are suggesting there may be a secret sauce in Orbis too, and we don't know which one is gonna be more spicy. If Sony is cooking up a Cell sauce it's gonna be one hell of a spicy sauce.
Personally I find the advantages of Cell apparent even today. You only need look at the first party titles Sony has. Even older ones such as KZ2, GOW3, Uncharted 2 etc, doing some unbelievable things so early on. And then you look forward to TLoU, GOWA etc...
Bare in mind the PS3 has always had a ram deficit compared to the 360 (larger OS footprint), and development slides from key devs do show that Cell plated a pivotal role it getting these games to look and run as they do.
And I don't believe it either btw.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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I think you got your sauces mixed up, Durango's is a special sauce, while Orbis' insides are to be served in a secret sauce.
I have already seen it happen. In this however, I have no doubt that MS will put all the necessary effort to ensure ease of development on a system that is rumoured to be more customized than its direct competitor. It is in their history, and as a software company, a part of their DNA. For Sony, it has been a long hard road from the arrogant E3 2005 days. Suffice it to say, their tool makers have learned the value of creating a hardware that eases burden of development for them and their clients. It is evidenced by Vita, a product that may be somewhat out of time in the market, but was completely in touch with what developers wanted both in terms of hardware and dev tool. I see no reason for regression when it comes to both hardware and development tools for PS4.
metareferential
Member
Those are precisely the games I was referring to. Besides, I still think that those games just show what can be done with the ps3's hardware if wisely exploited.
Some 360 games managed to narrow (or even fill, some might argue) with the best the ps3 has to offer. To me it all boils down to talent and effort (i.e budget).
But I think we're getting a bit ot here.