Also anecdotal, but the non-hardcore FF players I talked to outside of GAF weren't too hot on the game either.
The real evidence comes from the sales of FFXIII -> XIII-2.
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Also anecdotal, but the non-hardcore FF players I talked to outside of GAF weren't too hot on the game either.
The real evidence comes from the sales of FFXIII -> XIII-2.
I have to agree on this end. I've met many with complete opposite opinions on forums.
EDIT: You're right about that though.
To be fair, you are far from being the only one I've discussed over the Internet with who has blamed me for doing that. I tend to attempt to mind-read the party I argue with very often, and that's when I get sneaky. I'm quick to judge and antagonize with anyone whom I feel isn't on the same page as mine. However, I've decided to let all that crap behind as soon as I started becoming active on this forum, twelve days ago. I may have been an Amir0x over at that place, the attitude I've chosen to adopt here is the one that caters to calm, stability and reason. Following the same path as my counterpart, really.
In my defense, that one post of yours wasn't very explicit, even though they usually are. I get your point now.
The two Endless Frontier games were good too.
GuessMyUserName
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Just wondering, have you played Xenoblade 1? I definitely have no worries with regard to them having a variety of landscapes.
No but I've seen plenty of clips and images, and I'm planning to play it soon.
Anyway my comment was based on the image, I'm sure the final game will have a lot of variety plus more.
GuessMyUserName
Member
Get to it, you're in for a treat! Xenoblade's just got the most amazing landscapes I've seen, although it helps that the world is built on two gods to make things different and that's probably not the case with X but who knows.
Waaaaait. You've been on this board for twelve days and are now at Member status?
I agree. As much as I legitimately love to crack jokes about Versus never happening, I do think what we've seen so far is legitimately promising, and I still want the company to do well. On the other hand, I cannot STAND hearing Agni's touted as the future of Square, because we all need to stop hyping whisps of smoke into forest fires when it comes to Square Enix now.
DAAAANG son. That's some impressive stuff.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
sometimes I wonder if square is aware of things like this or are truly oblivious.
Can't wait to see LR sales.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Hopefully by the time Versus is out it is a good game.
If the game is a sub-par many would definitely either be depressed or in extreme denial.
If the game is a sub-par many would definitely either be depressed or in extreme denial.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
LR is gonna be a fucking big bomba. I hope so, so Toriyama dosn't writes another FF in years.
This. I never thought I'd want a Final Fantasy game to do bad, but Square needs to be taught a lesson...
Not seeing how could I be left disappointed, for the trailers have already spoken by themselves. They have effectively managed to make me hyped as if I had the game on my hands already, but not "hyped" as in "believing" and "placing expectations", rather "hyped" as in "accomplished". Versus, its setting and its characters managed to mesh into my mind as much as FFVII and FFVIII once I beat them both.
The fact Noctis is the FF character I can relate to the most also helps. He is not perfect and even steps into the realms of anti-heroism.
Green Mamba
Member
Yeah, we definitely know enough about Versus to be making statements like that.
Xilium
Member
There was a huge drop off but it still sold 1M+ copies worldwide last I checked (shipped 3M I believe so the sales are somewhere in that gap). I have to imagine that the majority of those people liked the game, else they wouldn't have bought it (it's not like it was a huge departure from the first game). Those numbers may not be good for an FF title but that still destroys most other JRPGs, including Xenoblade. And since SE used mostly recycled assets to make the game, I'm sure they made mad bank on it.
LR will do just fine in terms of making a profit. Whether or not the XIII trilogy ends up damaging the series or not is a question that will have to wait till the release of FFXV.
I mean, I know like, two other people who've played XIII/XIII-2, and they enjoyed them, but the consensus is still that it doesn't hold a candle to the old stuff. Heck, I didn't actually PAY for XIII, getting it as a gift, and XIII-2 I got for 9 bucks or whatever during their latest sale.
Sure that isn't the Internet which gave you that impression, that told you it sucked? What's more. My 14 years old cousin, who is also fan of Twilight, enjoyed XIII and XIII-2. I would be inclined to believe it's the kind of demographics SE aims at catering to nowadays, like it or not.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Well, good for you I guess, but for me personally I would never be able to tell whether I will be disappointed or not until I get to grab that controller in my hand and to play it with my own hands.
Also, to the bolded above; chalk this up as me not really paying attention to the Versus developments I guess, but you speak as if we already know a lot about him. From where, can I ask?
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
To each his own I guess, but for the life of me I can't honestly 'relate' to a character if all I know about him is just a brief description from 4 short paragraphs above.
I mean, after playing it for many, many hours? Sure. But just from that above (and possibly some short trailers?)? I am honestly surprised that anyone can really claim they 'know' him just from that.
We'll see, I guess.
1) I actually think Lightning in XIII is just fine. She's not like, Ramza or Delita or anything, but she's as good as Ingus.
2)I cannot make judgments about a character I've seen in 3 trailers. Not after XIII teaching me to not trust trailers.
3)Ramza Beoulve and Delita Heiral have INFINITELY better character development than Cloud and Squall. That could be because Tactics is essentially a Tactics Ogre game which are amazing, but hey.
4)Cloud and Squall have about the same character development as Terra and Zidane. Note: I'm not saying the develop in the same way, just the same amount.
-Pyromaniac-
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Noctis seems like a character with an actual personality and not some generic hero archetype.
He already wins. Agree on Ramza and Delita. Then again FFT has one of the best stories OF ALL TIME in games.
He already wins. Agree on Ramza and Delita. Then again FFT has one of the best stories OF ALL TIME in games.
1) You did not specify you were talking about mainline entries only, especially SINCE YOU MENTIONED ZACK WHO DOES NOT HAIL FROM A MAINLINE GAME. And no, twenty seconds of screen time in 7 is not what you meant, because he didn't develop as a character until A SPIN OFF.
2) Terra has a metric fuckton of character growth and is the undisputed main character of the game. She goes from emotionally dead at the game's beginning, to scared and confused, to brave enough to stare down the Emperor, to the requisite Square protagonist existentialist quandry, to a badass mama who is willing to sacrifice her own life to save as many others as she can. In more simplified terms, she goes from a soulless killing machine in act 1, to "I will die so others can live" in the ending.
And unless you think its contestable, nobody gets the importance in the plot that Terra does. The game opens on her. The Narshe incident centers on her. Banon certainly doesn't see Edgar or Locke as tipping points in the game's plot. Kefka doesn't burn down a castle so he can get his hands on Celes. General Leo does not have any deep conversation with Celes. Celes and Locke's origins are not central to the plot. Actually, Celes' origins aren't even mentioned beyond some off-hand comments between her and Cid. Nobody thinks about how Locke or Celes could die in the final dungeon. Celes isn't the one who guides the party out of the final dungeon.
Terra is the main character for Final Fantasy VI. Even the most important other party members pale in comparison to the share of plot and media Terra gets for VI. Who is the logo, and has been the logo for the game? Terra. Whose themesong is the world map theme? Terra. Who gets into Dissidia? Terra. Who gets into Theatrhythm? Terra. How is Terra not the main character?
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Squall's character development in my mind is always squandered by the fact (well, it is a fact in my mind at least) that the way he fell in love with Rinoa was so abrupt. I mean, the transition between "...whatever" to "I love you so much" was really jarring to me in FF8.
And uh, anyways, I am not sure it is a good idea to judge character development for a character in a game that is not even released yet.
And uh, anyways, I am not sure it is a good idea to judge character development for a character in a game that is not even released yet.
Squall suffers the same problem every character in FF8 suffers: that goddamn orphanage.
Well, you can always judge his loam I guess. Noctis' seems more fertile than Cloud's and Squall's.
How can you not play the best FF game. ;;
Already tried, jumped ship after ten hours of pain and suffering. I only like Mother when it comes to "old-school" J-RPGs.
NeededSleep
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FF9?
LiveFromKyoto
Member
I think you spelled XII wrong.
NeededSleep
Member
FF12 is fine until you reach Giruvegan. Then the plot crumbles into a heap of cliches and pointless events.
I did not react well to the Occuria
Haunted
Member
Why would you hate something that doesn't exist and/or isn't doing anyone anything.
This is you
Well, that's also mainline vs spinoff.
It's true that the XIII games are largely shunned outside of Japan. That's why most people threw their hands up in horror that they're making a fucking third game instead of working on the ones people here actually want - but even that ship might've sailed now as well, tbh - I think respect for S-E Japan is at an all-time low in the west. Also see: All the Bravest.
S-E Japan is in a tough situation with their traditionally most important market having wildly different tastes from the rest of the world. They used to be able to make a big budget jRPG targeted at Japan and everyone loved it. Now it's not to easy anymore, tastes have changed, people outside of Japan have moved on. We want the stain of XIII to be washed away and want them to abandon it, yet Lightning tops Japanese popularity charts.
Speaking of design/style and coming back to Xenosomething: I absolutely love Xenoblade and I got hyped for pretty much everything I've seen in this trailer, but when I saw the closeup of that character - ugh. What shit design.
Well, that's also mainline vs spinoff.
It's true that the XIII games are largely shunned outside of Japan. That's why most people threw their hands up in horror that they're making a fucking third game instead of working on the ones people here actually want - but even that ship might've sailed now as well, tbh - I think respect for S-E Japan is at an all-time low in the west. Also see: All the Bravest.
S-E Japan is in a tough situation with their traditionally most important market having wildly different tastes from the rest of the world. They used to be able to make a big budget jRPG targeted at Japan and everyone loved it. Now it's not to easy anymore, tastes have changed, people outside of Japan have moved on. We want the stain of XIII to be washed away and want them to abandon it, yet Lightning tops Japanese popularity charts.
Speaking of design/style and coming back to Xenosomething: I absolutely love Xenoblade and I got hyped for pretty much everything I've seen in this trailer, but when I saw the closeup of that character - ugh. What shit design.
By 2 votes.
one of them must be Toriyama's
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
When you talk to him, though, you'll see that the majority of his issues with the game are completely valid. I agree with some of them, even.
Like, maybe it's because FF6 was one of the last FF games I'd finished in my experience with the series (though it's one of the earliest FF games I started but I returned it to the rental store), but even though I like FF6, there are some things I don't like about it at all (which I started to go through in my FF6 playthrough that I should really post the next part for).
This thread move fast but I meant that FFXIII even in alpha looked better, then again I didn't follow closely FFXIII at all (and I was vindicated by the final product).
So maybe FFXIII didn't look too hot either...
I'm catching up...
You're french? I always get the feeling we're more than one could expect...
Ah yes, I knew there was a reason why I didn't care about FNC in the 1rst place.
It's basically a gigantic project from people who made the games I least prefer in Squaresoft!
Was there ever any doubt in a SquareEnix game?
FFXII is as much open world as Xenoblade, you follow a strict path with huge self contained areas.
Said areas are even actually smaller and have less to explore than Xenoblade btw.
Still catching up...
That's even more damning since XIII-2 was marketed and presented by the media as XIII done right
Just a reminder that people need to use this thread to talk about Versus and how it fairs against X... not general FF stuff or whatever. We've had more than enough issues with specific FF threads being derailed with "My FF is better than your FF" garbage already.
You're french? I always get the feeling we're more than one could expect...
So I am. Bonjour!
We're, like, ten I think: Computer, Kurtofan, Kafeil, UnluckyKate, G.O.O, Mistouze, Alx, Ebil, you and me. There must be more of course, but those are first to come to my mind.
FFXIII even in alpha looked better
It wasn't a PS3-exclusive back then. Chances are, Versus may be announced on the 360 at some point.
You're french? I always get the feeling we're more than one could expect...
So I am. Bonjour!
We're, like, ten I think: Computer, Kurtofan, Kafeil, UnluckyKate, G.O.O, Mistouze, Alx, Ebil, you and me. There must be more of course, but those are first to come to my mind.
FFXIII even in alpha looked better
It wasn't a PS3-exclusive back then. Chances are, Versus may be announced on the 360 at some point.
